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Nineteen85 · 10-10-2008, 10:55 AM

So I'm working on a small network of sites (In total 20) which are all pornstar specific.

I've decided on a layout style for the whole network, but it doesn't incude much text on the front page. Just reference to the model and to the website featured. (Eg - Jenna Jameson - Vivid.com)

My question is, will having a small amount of text reduce the search engine placement I get as oppose to if I wrote 2 or 3 para's about each link?

The Duck · 10-10-2008, 10:56 AM

Having some unique text can never be bad.

Nineteen85 · 10-10-2008, 10:59 AM

I do have some, it's just not on the main index page.

96ukssob · 10-10-2008, 11:01 AM

no text < some text < lots of text

make sure you use proper tags and basic SEO techniques. you probably wont get as good as rankings if you did with a decent amount of text, but you will still do alright.

pornguy · 10-10-2008, 11:02 AM

DO your self a favor. 3 to 4 really well structured sentences and you will do fine. Including getting into the top 10 if you know how to work the rest of it.

baddog · 10-10-2008, 11:03 AM

and use descriptive alt tags

Nineteen85 · 10-10-2008, 11:09 AM

This is my first attempt at non blog sites so SEO is all new to me again.

With wordpress I used an SEO plugin which worked well and I was in the top 10 for all the sites I was doing (Granted they were less popular search terms than anything to do with a particular model).

Marshal · 10-10-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

DO your self a favor. 3 to 4 really well structured sentences and you will do fine. Including getting into the top 10 if you know how to work the rest of it.

i second that!

TripleXPrint · 10-10-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

and use descriptive alt tags

There are no such thing as "ALT Tags".

To answer your question, SEO really really likes text so the less text you have the less likely you'll be ranked high. Google and other search engines will index your page but since it has limited information they won't know the relevancy.

96ukssob · 10-10-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

There are no such thing as "ALT Tags".

really? you surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre?

sumz · 10-10-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

There are no such thing as "ALT Tags".

To answer your question, SEO really really likes text so the less text you have the less likely you'll be ranked high. Google and other search engines will index your page but since it has limited information they won't know the relevancy.

search engine optimization 101

HorseShit · 10-10-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nettrust

i second that!

i third that

Jdoughs · 10-10-2008, 11:53 AM

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The "alt tag" Misnomer

The alt attribute is commonly, but incorrectly, referred to as an image's "alt tag". It is not intended to provide "pop up" text or tooltips when a user's mouse hovers over the image, though alt text has historically been presented in this way in some web browsers; HTML's title attribute is intended for supplementary information that can be used in this way. (To use alt correctly and suppress the tooltip that some web browsers generate, a web author can use an empty title attribute.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute No Wikipedia isnt the end all be all of information, but it is correct in this case. There is no such thing as an Alt Tag, its just what "some people" call it.

As far as the text, well, I guarentee you see alot more pages ranked with GOOD LINKS and NO TEXT, then GOOD TEXT and NO LINKS.

Don't take my word for it, check google.

I'm not saying text is not important, it definately is. Its more about how you use it then when, where or quantity.

TripleXPrint · 10-10-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

really? you surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre?

Absolutely 100% positively sure! There are attributes you can add to your IMG TAG and that would therefore be called an attribute and NOT a tag. If ALT were an actual tag, what exactly does it do?

"Some search engines may index the content of the ?ALT?
property in <IMG> (image) tags on the page, which is often erroneously referred to
as an ?ALT tag.?

I just love all these self proclaimed SEO experts that don't even know that there is no such thing as a fucking ALT TAG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute - read the section that is titled, "The 'alt tag' misnomer".

NOW THAT is SEO 101.

HorseShit · 10-10-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

Absolutely 100% positively sure!
I just love all these self proclaimed SEO experts that don't even know that there is no such thing as a fucking ALT TAG.

96ukssob · 10-10-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

Absolutely 100% positively sure! There are attributes you can add to your IMG TAG and that would therefore be called an attribute and NOT a tag. If ALT were an actual tag, what exactly does it do?

I just love all these self proclaimed SEO experts that don't even know that there is no such thing as a fucking ALT TAG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute - read the section that is titled, "The 'alt tag' misnomer".

NOW THAT is SEO 101.

I am sorry SEO God, please forgive me. I have shamed the SEO community by not keeping up on my SEO knowledge from WIKIPEDIA

baddog · 10-10-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleXPrint

There are no such thing as "ALT Tags".

To answer your question, SEO really really likes text so the less text you have the less likely you'll be ranked high. Google and other search engines will index your page but since it has limited information they won't know the relevancy.

What happened to them?

Jdoughs · 10-10-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

What happened to them?

Short answer. It's an attribute not an Alt. They have just been commonly, and incorrectly called Alt Tags since they've existed.

Its like all cheese spread is "Cheese Whiz", and all clear plastic wrap is "Saran Wrap".

baddog · 10-10-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Short answer. It's an attribute not an Alt. They have just been commonly, and incorrectly called Alt Tags since they've existed.

Its like all cheese spread is "Cheese Whiz", and all clear plastic wrap is "Saran Wrap".

What does Google call them?

Jdoughs · 10-10-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

What does Google call them?

A search of "Alt Tags" in google produces a front page of results that show informative sites that are explaining what an ALT ATTRIBUTE does and many showing that they are commonly called alt tags incorrectly, so I would imagine, google calls them what they really are. They call it like they see it, and they see that when you search alt tags, you really mean alt attributes

Alt attributes for the image tag.

There is one guy in the serps there near the bottom who has it wrong, some blog or something and he's offering his free advice. Get what ya pay for I suppose.

baddog · 10-10-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

A search of "Alt Tags" in google produces a front page of results that show informative sites that are explaining what an ALT ATTRIBUTE does and many showing that they are commonly called alt tags incorrectly, so I would imagine, google calls them what they really are. They call it like they see it, and they see that when you search alt tags, you really mean alt attributes

Alt attributes for the image tag.

There is one guy in the serps there near the bottom who has it wrong, some blog or something and he's offering his free advice. Get what ya pay for I suppose.

While I hesitate at referencing him . . .

Jdoughs · 10-10-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

While I hesitate at referencing him . . .

I'm not sure what the point of that is, the discussion was never "What Attribute do most people improperly call the Alt Tag, even Matt Cutts, Baddog and most of the rest of us?".

We know that this is the term 99% of webmasters use to describe it, I do as well, BUT that does not change the fact that it is indeed an Alt Attribute and not the Alt Tag.

I wasn't the one who pointed it out above, but he seemed to lack a little tact so I tried to answer it as simple as possible.

Nineteen85 · 10-10-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

As far as the text, well, I guarentee you see alot more pages ranked with GOOD LINKS and NO TEXT, then GOOD TEXT and NO LINKS.

Don't take my word for it, check google.

I'm not saying text is not important, it definately is. Its more about how you use it then when, where or quantity.

As in links coming in from other sites?

Rorschach · 10-10-2008, 12:44 PM

LOL having baddog as the front man for a supposed SEO hosting company has got to be one of the worst moves ever... Even if the rates weren't laughable, baddog's attempts at appearing knowledgeable sure are.

baddog · 10-10-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

LOL having baddog as the front man for a supposed SEO hosting company has got to be one of the worst moves ever... Even if the rates weren't laughable, baddog's attempts at appearing knowledgeable sure are.

If I said, "be sure to add descriptive alternative text to your image source" would that have made you feel better?

Rorschach · 10-10-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If I said, "be sure to add descriptive alternative text to your image source" would that have made you feel better?

It's not even the fact that you got tags and attributes mixed up - it's the fact that you vehemently defended your ignorant and plainly incorrect statement. Every time you see 'SEO' on your board.tracker you charge into the thread spouting this bollocks and eventually trying to spam your overpriced 'SEO hosting' on known IP blocks.

Jdoughs · 10-10-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nineteen85

As in links coming in from other sites?

Yes links from other sites, both relevant and non-relevant, one way, threeway, anyway you can get them (within reason of course). Just get quality links, established sites obviously will hold/push more weight. You want to show google that the pages are worth indexing, there is thousands of "Nina Hartley" pages out there, creating ones NOW with nothing unique to offer is somewhat of a stab in the back. Which is one of the reasons you should use/incorporate a decent slot for quality unique text. It is your best shot (after the spider hits your page) to show the engine you have something of value that needs to be included. Without it you will need a fairly large amount of link power to rank for many of those starlets names.

But you can rank the pages with 0 text on them, but as I said, you will need to make up for it in links, and if you don't know what you are doing it won't be easy. The girls names are a fairly well targeted market, and lots of webmasters are doing regular updates OR link strategies to stay up there.

Linking is as much of an artform as any other aspect of web development. Its difficult to comment too much without knowing the site, seeing the site, and knowing what you understand and to what levels you are prepared to go with it.

u-Bob · 10-10-2008, 01:08 PM

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baddog · 10-10-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

It's not even the fact that you got tags and attributes mixed up - it's the fact that you vehemently defended your ignorant and plainly incorrect statement. Every time you see 'SEO' on your board.tracker you charge into the thread spouting this bollocks and eventually trying to spam your overpriced 'SEO hosting' on known IP blocks.

Everyone and their mother has identified them as alt tags for 10 years, but I am ignorant.

I do not use BT, and the last I heard, GFY wasn't covered anyway.

Known IP blocks? That is pretty funny.

Rorschach · 10-10-2008, 01:18 PM

The bottom line is that the whole idea of 'SEO hosting' is farcical - the only people willing to pay your extortionate and unjustified prices are noobs who haven't worked out that you have to blend in with the crowd, and that you need real redundancy. Using any kind of 'SEO hosting' is eventually going to be a HUGE red flag - you run into the same kinds of problems by association that, for example, gallery submitters might find building on hqhost. And you are here every day tying your name to what is basically an overpriced scam, and trying to hand out poor quality advice in the hope of garnering some extra business. For some reason the gfy noobs give you a free pass and don't call you out on your bollocks.

bobby666 · 10-10-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jdavis

i third that

i fourth that

baddog · 10-10-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

The bottom line is that the whole idea of 'SEO hosting' is farcical - the only people willing to pay your extortionate and unjustified prices are noobs who haven't worked out that you have to blend in with the crowd, and that you need real redundancy. Using any kind of 'SEO hosting' is eventually going to be a HUGE red flag - you run into the same kinds of problems by association that, for example, gallery submitters might find building on hqhost. And you are here every day tying your name to what is basically an overpriced scam, and trying to hand out poor quality advice in the hope of garnering some extra business. For some reason the gfy noobs give you a free pass and don't call you out on your bollocks.

Your assumptions are just that, and not very good ones at that.

You feel suggesting the use of alt tags or attribute tags or descriptive alt text [or whatever you want to call it] to your images is poor advice?

BSleazy · 10-10-2008, 01:37 PM

Call it a alt tag, call it an attribute...who fucking cares.

Rorschach · 10-10-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Your assumptions are just that, and not very good ones at that.

My assumptions are based on the practical knowledge gained from being a full time blackhat since 2001, and burning through many, many hosting accounts along the way... whereas all I see you doing is mislabeling attributes as tags and taking bad photos at parties. As for that god-awful 'SEO blog' you linked to a few weeks back... Jesus wept.

Back to your regular scheduled thread.

seeandsee · 10-10-2008, 01:50 PM

I have some sites with little SEO text and they are rocking SE traffic in my direction

V_RocKs · 10-10-2008, 02:57 PM

You are better off getting a job at McDonalds.

Nineteen85 · 10-10-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

You are better off getting a job at McDonalds.

Wow it took 36 posts before somebody tried to be smart.

People said I was better off giving up before I began with Club1985. Yet its doing pretty well and getting some notice on both sides of the fence

d-null · 10-10-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

You are better off getting a job at McDonalds.

best post of the day

Iron Fist · 10-10-2008, 03:32 PM

I think about it myself and I don't even know why I call it an ALT TAG but I do call it an alt tag.. even though I KNOW it's an ATTRIBUTE.

Mark_E4A · 10-10-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

and use descriptive alt tags

personaly i dont see this being worded bad, when anyone hears the term " ALT Tag " , that is exactly what they think of.

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96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	no text < some text < lots of text make sure you use proper tags and basic SEO techniques. you probably wont get as good as rankings if you did with a decent amount of text, but you will still do alright. __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

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Nineteen85 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ye olde England Posts: 288	This is my first attempt at non blog sites so SEO is all new to me again. With wordpress I used an SEO plugin which worked well and I was in the top 10 for all the sites I was doing (Granted they were less popular search terms than anything to do with a particular model). __________________ 25% OFF ALL DESIGN / DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR A LIMITED TIME Web designer / developer specializing in; HTML, CSS, PHP, Wordpress, Jquery

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