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So I did a test join to this site....cross-sale Hell! So I did a test join to this site....cross-sale Hell!
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:38 AM   #1
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So I did a test join to this site....cross-sale Hell!
So a few weeks ago I came across a low-cost join newtwork of sites of $x.xx per month. The site had no increased rebill price, it was just $x.xx per month flat and I was curious so I joined to see if it was a dvd site, all feeds, etc. I knew the join would be full of semi-hidden cross-sales so I was careful to uncheck everything and make sure there were no automatic cross-sales which there weren't.

I cancelled a few days later to make sure and yes there were pre-checked joins on the cancel page, but after checking my account about 2 weeks later I'm fucking floored to say the least.

I have now had 3 additional $1.00 charges for memberships and 2 $39.97 memberships charged for a grand total of 5 other sites. The $39.97 memberships were charged the same day as the $1.00 so they weren't even rebills, but separate sites. 2 of the $1.00 and 1 of the $39.97 were a week or so after the join which pissed me off, but I dealt with it. Now almost a full week or so later I get another $1.00 and $39.97 charge and the entire boat is now becoming a charge back. For a small $x.xx join I've spent over $80 on sites I didn't want.

This is fucking ridiculous. If being in the business I can't even get a clean join, I can only imagine how surfers are getting fucked.

And, one, no I won't name the program/site as this is something we all know is happening and isn't meant to be a public flogging. And, two, yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow, but that still proves the point that this is wrong.

This is sad, really fucking sad that this is how people build their business. Enough said...
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:42 AM   #2
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And, one, no I won't name the program/site
Name them or your entire rant is usless and shut the fuck up.

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It's crazy but I don't understand why you don't name them... let others decide if they want to continue promoting that type of program.
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:46 AM   #6
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why wouldn't you name them? they deserve to be outed, they deserve to be ratted on
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Come on. Grow a pair and name names...
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Why would you post this and not at least name the network you joined?
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:55 AM   #11
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And, one, no I won't name the program/site

name them, you pussy
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Old 10-04-2008, 09:59 AM   #12
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I don't know of any $x.xx network join sites, can you list a few
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I agree, why complain if you dont start to name names. Why let them go on doing biz as usual
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yeah well how you expect them to pay all these pps? its gonna be shave or fuck the surfer badly or both.

Thats why I stick to plain old upfront revshare style so I dont have to fuck the surfer and they come back on their own when they feel like it and everyone is happy.

You should tell us who it is althou most PPS style companies fuck the surfer galore
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I hate pussies, your whole post is worthless, if you don't post the program's name.
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I hope soon surfers will trust only epoch and ccbill directly and won't sign-up for merchant accounts anymore.
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WTF is this? so here he comes.... lights up a fucking fire and then walks away?

Worthless....
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Unlike all the others in this thread...
Name the bastards.
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why spare the public flogging? scum like this ruin the business for everyone else
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With my main sponsor (see sig) you have the option to enable or disbale x-sales for your account yourself. I have it enabled for most marketings as you get your % also from the x-sales and there are only very few chargebacks.
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This is fucking ridiculous. If being in the business I can't even get a clean join, I can only imagine how surfers are getting fucked.

And, one, no I won't name the program/site as this is something we all know is happening and isn't meant to be a public flogging. And, two, yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow, but that still proves the point that this is wrong.

This is sad, really fucking sad that this is how people build their business. Enough said...
So you think this is "fucking ridiculous, this is sad, really fucking sad, this is wrong". But you won't help to put a stop to it by just naming who it is. ok...........
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MetalCash?

They've got their $1.23 per month sites (where the membership price doesn't change) with 2 prechecked cross sales and this info all below the submit button:

* Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Nine Dollars Thirty Seven Cents if not cancelled
** Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Seven Dollars Nineteen Cents if not cancelled

Hopefully they'll be named here, but MetalCash is my guess.
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MetalCash?

They've got their $1.23 per month sites (where the membership price doesn't change) with 2 prechecked cross sales and this info all below the submit button:

* Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Nine Dollars Thirty Seven Cents if not cancelled
** Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Seven Dollars Nineteen Cents if not cancelled

Hopefully they'll be named here, but MetalCash is my guess.
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So...

YOU MAKE A BIG ASS STATEMENT ON GFY ABOUT IT AND THEN TOTALLY FAIL TO MENTION THE FUCKING SITE/PROGRAM THAT DID IT?


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Yes, the program is MetalCash and their $1.23 sites. My post wasn't about flogging a program or giving them more attention then they need. The point was to re-ignite a topic we should all look at including ourselves and the sites we promote. We're all hypocrits to an extent and need to decide if the future of this industry is important for us to salvage or say fuck it and burn it down.

This may not be their business plan and it may not be others, but it's a slippery slope and maybe we ALL need to look at what we're doing, today, not tomorrow, and decide what's right!
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Jesus... THank you for at least telling. Now this thread has substance and it can actually begin.

Yes yes... Shame on MetalCash.
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Jesus... THank you for at least telling. Now this thread has substance and it can actually begin.

Yes yes... Shame on MetalCash.
not cause of your input. That red shit is just annoying
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Yes, the program is MetalCash and their $1.23 sites. My post wasn't about flogging a program or giving them more attention then they need. The point was to re-ignite a topic we should all look at including ourselves and the sites we promote. We're all hypocrits to an extent and need to decide if the future of this industry is important for us to salvage or say fuck it and burn it down.

This may not be their business plan and it may not be others, but it's a slippery slope and maybe we ALL need to look at what we're doing, today, not tomorrow, and decide what's right!
Thanks for outing them. Another sponsor I am not gonna touch.
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not cause of your input. That red shit is just annoying
Dude... You have any fucking idea whats REALLY ANNOYING? How many guys come to this board saying so and so did such and such and never state who? Those threads are supremely annoying. SO get over the red text.

Then yet at the same time people wonder why webmaster's can not do anything about a situation? Well ghee maybe if names are put down from the get go shit would be alot more actionable as a community.

I think a GFY rule should be one that requires a poster to state who or what when addressing something in the industry. If I had 1 penny for every thread started by someone that accuses another of some bullshit and not say who it was at the get go...

I wouldnt be here. I would be rich and living well on some tropical island.

Yupo scratch down Metal Cash for those cross sale demons.
This thread has officially become a service to everyone now!
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Remember kids :


There is not a business model alive that can pay a PPS over 35$ that does not have to make money 1 of the 3 places.


The money has to come from somewhere on these massive PPS promos.


1) The Program
2) The Affiliate
3) The Surfer


There's no two ways around it. Someone gets boned.
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Not that I would ever promote that program but now I certainly won't. Fuck over your customers for a quick buck = no more customers.
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There is not a business model alive that can pay a PPS over 35$ that does not have to make money 1 of the 3 places.


The money has to come from somewhere on these massive PPS promos.


1) The Program
2) The Affiliate
3) The Surfer


There's no two ways around it. Someone gets boned.
SHHHH NO nO NO NO!
It's METAL CASH IS NOW DOING CROSS SALES SEND EM AN EMAIL IF INTERESTED!
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:33 PM   #37
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MOST programs are doing that now...


Anyone looking for a PPS program that is not screwing the surfer or affiliates... see sig!
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:39 PM   #38
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Not for nothing, but metalcash has always been considered shady in my book. I think I did a little promotion back in 04 or some shit, but the conversions blew goats so I dumped them... with tagetted text links. That's all i need to see and kaput.

Hopefully they see this thread and fix their ways. And yes, this is their business model. Quick buck, fuck everyone. Here is a good example:

You join say 123brit website - great... $1.23 per month billed in 30 day intervals... but you get to the 2nd join page and there are the prechecked sells...

At the bottom of the page? Asterisks.... what do they say?

* Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Nine Dollars Thirty Seven Cents if not cancelled
** Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Seven Dollars Nineteen Cents if not cancelled

in just about size 6 verdana font. Small, but still there. There is no way in hell a program would charge a dollar fucking twenty three for a monthly if they didn't think they were getting Joe VisaHolder to not notice his shit and let it rebill.

By the way? The sites that they Xsell to are from TrafficGigs... coincidence?

Both garbage programs IMO

You reap what you sow
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:47 PM   #39
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This its the affiliates fault is such bullshit. If sponsors didn't get into a commission bidding war this never would of happened. they trained affiliates to expect more and more.
Good thread avalanche if you who are in the business couldn't find all the prechecks and how is the surfer expected to find them. Business 101 don't fuck the customer especially when you are in a time when less and less are spending money. Like I said before if the big visa meeting puts their foot down on prechecks, the days of making money inspite of ones self is coming to a close.
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:48 PM   #40
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I like to give programs the benefit of the doubt as I don't know the owners and tend to give people credit, but like I said, I unchecked every cross-sale and still got hit. That is what pissed me off! And, like I said, maybe I'm an idiot and missed one on the join or one on the cancel page, but if I can't get a clear join, a surfer won't.

So, I sincerely hope MetalCash comes in as I don't like one-sided bashing! I also must say that cross-sales I got hit with were not TrafficGigolos. I'll have to check who they were exactly as the only ones that stick out were some unaffiliated sites (i.e. sites with no program).
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There is nothing wrong with cross sales done the right way.
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:20 PM   #42
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Greed got us all where we are now.

Greed from programs competing against each other.

Greed from affiliates wanting more money from sponsors.

The two were equal catalysts in getting the industry to the point it is now. The economics of the consumer side of the market can no longer support the predicament we've put ourselves into.

Like I said. The money comes from one of the three places.



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Old 10-04-2008, 02:24 PM   #43
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It's bad business pure and simple, and in my opinion, what they're doing is illegal. It's fraud. Not to mention, it poisons the well for the rest of us trying to run a legitimate business.

Fuck Metalcash and anyone that promotes them - their, I said it.
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:25 PM   #44
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Greed got us all where we are now.

Greed from programs competing against each other.

Greed from affiliates wanting more money from sponsors.

The two were equal catalysts in getting the industry to the point it is now. The economics of the consumer side of the market can no longer support the predicament we've put ourselves into.

Like I said. The money comes from one of the three places.



dead on..sounds like our industry will also need a bailout soon..
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I promote way to many programs to test them all myself. Its good when people share these experiences. Sad that its happening at all...

So many people only see the short term.
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Greed got us all where we are now.

Greed from programs competing against each other.

Greed from affiliates wanting more money from sponsors.

The two were equal catalysts in getting the industry to the point it is now. The economics of the consumer side of the market can no longer support the predicament we've put ourselves into.

Like I said. The money comes from one of the three places.



The only reason affiliates wanted more money is because sponsors dangled more money. Instead of sell our product because it is good and retains. It became we will give you the most stuff.In legitimate mainstream the commission is the commission you dont it like move on. Tell amazon Im not happy with the rate and see what they say.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:00 PM   #47
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That's some truly fucked off shit. I only promote them a little bit, but I know I wont be pushing them any more in the future.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:10 PM   #48
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Greed got us all where we are now.

Greed from programs competing against each other.

Greed from affiliates wanting more money from sponsors.

The two were equal catalysts in getting the industry to the point it is now. The economics of the consumer side of the market can no longer support the predicament we've put ourselves into.

Like I said. The money comes from one of the three places.



You are full of shit... This is not greed from affiliates. The owners are the ones making all this extra cash. The owners run some lame $200 pps day or something where you as an affiliate never do as well as your average day.

Damn I thought you knew better. Guess not!!!
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:24 PM   #49
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Thats why DVDS will never die. Consumer knows what hes gettoing and pays once to get it
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Remember kids :


There is not a business model alive that can pay a PPS over 35$ that does not have to make money 1 of the 3 places.


The money has to come from somewhere on these massive PPS promos.


1) The Program
2) The Affiliate
3) The Surfer


There's no two ways around it. Someone gets boned.
On the sites in question, the $1.23 membership is a $12.30 payout. So the high PPS cost doesn't hold much weight here.
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