Yes, I am aware their have been bill paying issue.s However consider how long they have been in business. They must have been paying SOME bills havent they?

If you are referring to the latest in non bill paying... OF COURSE he wasnt paying his bills!! he got sued and decided to bolt and run roflmao.

:Oh crap

brad, this is a great thread, you should explain that out and keep it going

its an interesting point that prices like $4 meg allowed business models (and experimentation/exploration of others) for the first time that made less money per bw used, like cogent allowed the mass proliferation of free hosted galleries.

You can try things without having a large exposure of hosting costs, and as these are sites that make money, but its not critical that they are up 100% of the time

So from another point, as the value of content goes down and cost to transmit that content go down, this ultimately gets more alternatives to consumers that are buying your clients content.

Ultimately, the tube sites showed up because of low bw cost

Well since this is your thread, that you stared, and it's a "MUST READ", then please tell us point by point how everyone that disagrees with you is wrong, or is making false and innacurate assumptions?

I think alot of times your points make sense, but you have this habit of looking down your nose at your cheaper competitors and those who host with them and imply that we don't care about our business or don't care about downtime because we're not overpaying you to host us.
That rubs me the wrong way.

A lot of things rub you the wrong way Lenny. As to your Wallmart point try to find a rep at wall mart that actually knows anything about the product. The mom and pops knew the product helped you find it and helped you pick out what was best for you. You paid for the premium just like you pay to deal with awesome techs at nat net or mojo. Comparing AR to Wallmart is spot on but not in the way you wanted it to be. They are bottom of the barrel self help not in the same league as the quality mom and pop shops they try to run out.

have a drink and chill out a little.

he has a right to his opinion...Here's mine =)

*** Alpha Red clients get out while you still can! :) ***

Do you people really think AR is going anywhere? Clueless

Truely an Idiot.:2 cents:

Who is, you?

I will have to agree with you on this.:2 cents:

I pointed that out in my wal-mart analogy. Sure the mom and pop know their shit and wal mart employees are clueless, but at the end of the day the mom and pops are still bankrupt and wal mart is still growing.

Brad has to justify his higher prices, you have to justify paying his higher prices, that's why you're in here having this discussion.

If nothing else the cut rate hosts are a blessing to you as well, because they're the reason hosts like mojo have had to cut their prices from $150 to $15 per meg over the years.

Hosts like AR and Choopa are to natnet/mojo/techiemedia what cogent was to level3 and gblx.
Cogent is definitely lower quality, but it's still more than "good enough" for what most people are using it for....and it forced the prices down on the higher end stuff.

Wow this was some good reading for a Sunday morning. Some people are simply clueless.:2 cents: I quarantee this thread will get bumped back up in the future, may not be next week or month but it will be back, and I can see a whole bunch of hosts saying "We told you so" :1orglaugh

We tolddddddddddd you soooooooooooo! =)

yeah they didnt fail from being cheap but they are getting sued for spyware that they used thier own hosting for. So if fucking surfers over pays 10xs what hosting does then i guess the hosting end would not need to be profitable :) :2 cents:

Look who is clueless now...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I told you you were an Idiot, you should have believed me last week.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

We finally saw eye to eye on something! :)

Brad

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but there are like half a dozen companies right now offering to match Alpha Red's pricing to get their customers.

I've also seen at least 2 $4/mbit specials with a server included in the past week.

It appears this "pharse in the marketplace" is going to continue, in which case, maybe it's not a pharse at all but just the way things are going to be from now on. :2 cents:

Snakes Right ... I totally just got beat down by him b/c I had a more than 3 line sig (which offered 4/mbit)

4/mbit isnt going, in fact if you arent able to deal with it, you should consider selling to me!

that is all.

Shhhhhh the oracle said such pricing is not possible :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh it is possible, it's just not profitable for the long haul. History will repeat itself, it always does.:pimp

Maybe so, and maybe the host I'm getting $4/mbit from will go out of business in 6 months or a year....but as long as you have an offsite backup with a service like Clonebox, you won't have any downtime.

In the meantime my hosting bill is 1/2 to 1/3 what it would be if I hosted with one of those "other guys".

What the fuck are you talking about? They aren't going anywhere. Who's clueless?

You sound like one of those people that jumps from one bottom of the barrel cheap host to another just for a buck or two. Like someone that goes from choopa to reflected all within a few months. But hey your right you pay less for hosting than most
of the people here and I'm sure you need that savings as without it you probably don't make a penny. Most of the people that are serious about their businesses and making money don't waste their time playing the host shuffle game as they are busy making good money and building their empires. As that Brad guy said if you need to pay 3-5 bucks a meg to survive then your fucked anyway.

No need to reply as it doesn't really matter to me what you do, because deep inside it's only you that knows if you make money from running a good profitable biz or just survive by being a penny pincher and once these bottom feeder hosts go away so does your biz and you never learned to make any real money and couldn't even afford a real host.

Yes you must be right.

Good businessmen don't waste their time controlling expenses, they're too busy counting their money. :helpme

I would agree with most people moving to other cheap hosts. It's not like you have some kind of prestige by paying $20/mbit. Frankly I just did a test with one of the hosts I know, and I actually get higher speeds from cogent then most other networks. Nothing is wrong with cheap hosts, and if you factor in people that push a lot of bandwidth, even a dollar per mbit cheaper is a huge difference.

Say you are pushing 5gbits at $5/gbit. Your hosting bill is $25.000. If someone offers you $4/mbit you just put $5k back into your pocket every month. That's more then enough to pay a mortgage or finance and very nice car.

KUDOS :pimp

Oh noes, because according to "The Nerd" you have to have an expensive host and learn how to run a profitable biz without using a "bottom feeder" host or else you haven't learned how to make "real money"

dude! I agree with you, now please suggest a cheap hosting to me.. maybe over ICQ if you want: 119451009.. thanks for the help!

who do you use for hosting?