So at 10pm I was spot on but 3am I'm clueless? :helpme

We've all made our beds, it's time for some sleep.

Cheers,

Brad

Some interesting reading here.

So wait, you're saying there is waiting line to be your client ?
What does a waiting list for turn ups means ?

LOL, interesting read(that made me laugh though!) I love mojo host personally! I wasn't looking for the cheap way out, just the best way to host!! :thumbsup

You know to be honest, every host here knows Alpha Red didnt fail b/c of low prices. Everyone here can live up to the fact that

A) They were rocking hosting like nobody else.

B) If people cared, then they'd not host there. People apparently DID like Alpha red, b/c despite all the name calling they pushed some serious traffic. If the service was bad, it wasnt nearly bad enough was it, cuz if it was. people wouldnt be hosting there.

C) James was a dumbass and fucked his business with Scareware. Low prices didnt. I suspect he was making a dime or two , otherwise microsoft wouldnt have taken the time to beat him like a red headed step child.

D) Everyone who has posted in these threads are vultures (myself included). Posting under the pretense of giving advice while 'nice' is really self serving.

And for the record, Dave is a dick. Judging from the only time I met you Brad your kinda cool, and you do your clients a great service. but in this thread your sounding like a dick too, and Dave is right.


Bottom Line: If your a cheap ass bastard, get Cheap ass hosting. If you want quality hosting go get premium hosting. $4 and sub $4 IS possible , it IS profitable and a successful business model WAS implemented (Alpha Red)


EVERY SERIOUS HOSTER KNOWS THIS PRICING IS INEVITABLE. People said the Sky was falling when Cogent came out. Yet we are all still here dragging our sorry ass feet peddling bandwidth for pennies when we used to sell it for 1000/mbit.

In 2003 . . . :1orglaugh

Great post Brad, one thing I really like about Mojo is the quality I get. I'm not a cheap ass company and my host shouldn't be either. You get what you pay for.

Mark

You have no clue.

Yes i know they host at mojohost and yes i admit i didnt readed your first post but you did post alpha red in title and that was enough for me.

Yeah i dont understood how the fuck they can offer 100 mbit for only 400$ monthly.I noticed they patch that with expensive cpanel fee and expensive managment but what when someone take only server and nothing else.

To be honest, my first thought when seeing the lawsuit article yesterday was that they went down that road to prop up a 'below cost' business model.

So would you say that this scareware fiasco is due to greed rather than necessity?

I'm just looking for honest opinion here and wondering if I was the only one thinking that...

There are several Quality Hosts out there, but thanks Dave for your props.:winkwink:

Jimmmmmmmmmmmmm blackjack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I sale BW for 2.99 hit me for masssive pipes

We sell bandwidth for 6/Mbps, sometimes sub 6/Mbps. But we also charge a flat box fee as well.. All our plans as of recent are this model. Weather its premium network @ 20-25/mbps or value at 6-8/mbps with a 30Mbps minimum commit.

As far as whoever said using quality hardware, every and every box we sell is a dell 1950 or dell 2950 OR an ibm x3350. Occasionally we'll do supermicros but still supermicro brand motherboards and not desktop systems.

We run dual cisco 6509's with sup720-3bxls and have a full 10GE network to our distribution stacks. Even with the couple hundred machines we have in our network and the prices we do offer, we run a great operation with a handful of techs and are profitable. Going from a single gigE and 10/100 connection when we started to 20Gbps of connectivity now and pushing over 3Gbps in just under 3 years with practicably no debt is amazing growth.

I have always been on the boards and willing to help customers or anyone and give a hand or have a tech help someone out. We might not have been around for 10 years but we have been around for a few and are a well kept secret.

I encourage any other owner, from natnet, mojo, choopa, webair or whoever feels free to contact me. We are not going anywhere and don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon. My door is always open and my office is 703-579-4501 or I can be reached on my icq number below.

Cisco 6509's give me a hardon

Don't know much about hosting, but Vraal's post is spot on. Alpha didn't fall because of beeing cheap, but beacuse of microsoft. Choopa is selling low for years now, and they control huge amounts of bandwidth. Are they dicks, i dont know, same as i don't know are any of you other here, but saying it's not possible is stupid.
This thread is not your best move Brad. You said they bring it, some people brought it, you didn't reply... Just makes you look jealous..

JUICY !!!!!!! I was in Atlantic City (Harrahas) last weekend for 3 nights with the mrs. Will be going again in1 or 2 weeks. You need to come in yo :winkwink:

Actually Sin this is fundamentally where you and everyone else, including most hosts even, are out of the know.

Brad

THey weren't paying their bills, they were NOT massively profitable.

Brad, thanks for continuing to be a "beacon of sense" :)

why not, there are plenty of customers that need help!

Don't you just love the implication that you somehow don't care about your business unless you pay 3 times more for hosting? :1orglaugh

I always thought good businessmen did whatever they could to cut expenses. Some of us have been in the biz a long time and know the difference between a good host and a bad one, a fast server that's properly configured and a slow as shit one that isn't......I've had bad experiences with expensive hosts and great experiences with cheap ones.....price was never the factor that determined how good a host was.

I guess when you insist on having such a high margin in your business you have to justify it somehow, and I guess the way to justify it is to say the other side is skimping on something or won't be around very long.

Funny though, I remember the mom and pop hardware stores and other retailers saying the same thing when Wal-Mart moved to town. Wal-Mart was retailing items for less than the wholesale cost of the small stores.....and they complained and complained and said sure they may be cheap but it won't last because it's below cost, and nobody who works there can help you with questions about complicated products......but Wal-Mart still thrives and those old mom and pop stores are now boarded up vacant buildings. :2 cents:

i have a couple of servers on natnet one of the most expensive hosts around and 1 server on alphared. on alphared i host streaming videos for my tube site and i am so far happy with this combo.

i would never host my main domains/sites on alphared but i think this combo work pretty well.

:2 cents:

That is what i recommend as well to our publisher's that are setting up tube sites. Buy some cheap ass hosting for your movies and then host your pages on a quality host.

:thumbsup

fwis, cogent sells bandwidth as cheap as $4/megabit http://telephonyonline.com/mag/telec...t_throws_down/

when you factor in that they bill using 90th percentile and every customer wont be utilizing 100% of their pipe 24/7, there definitely is room for profit to be made. at least from the view I see it at.

I would like to be contacted on icq Brad

great post. 11 years ago it was 1000/meg, 7 years ago it was 600 a meg, 3 years ago it was 180 a meg, now people selling at $20/meg are "overpriced", does anyone need a chart to predict where its heading?

Yea I think Greed definately plays into it. Its not like he was the only person who can sell at 4/mbit, he was merely one of the few people willing to sell at 4/mbit.

When Cogent first came out, I dropped my prices from 450/mbit to 60/mbit. I went from pushing 300mbps making 150/mbit to pushing 3gbps making 50/mbit. Meanwhile everyone else spouted doomsday prophesies about cogent etc till they jumped on the bandwagon.

AR similarly took advantage of the recent changes in the market and kicked ass.

I'm sure he was supplementing AR with scareware dollars to some degree... But then again most of the hosts here have something similar going on (not illegal operations part lol) like side business , someone to fund them, extremely large customer paying above market rate, etc. It helped their business along , but it didnt make it.

How's that working out for you during those 8 hour downtimes?

Brad,

This is Henry from Swift BTW, I dont want you to feel that Im trying to take advantage of you anonymously.

I appreciate what you're trying to do BTW, but we are not a cartel like the phone company is. I'm not trying to de-rail your thread, but if we are gonna swarm AR like vultures lets at least call it like it is. Its a feeding frenzy and everyone wants some of it. Lets at least give them the credit they were due for building such a massive book of business. They didn't fail b/c their business wasn't sound. they failed b/c he was selling scareware! Everyone knows not to fuck with with Microsoft, so why did he do it?

Lets suppose Alpha made $1/mbit which I'm absolutely sure they did. They were pushing 200+ gigs / second.

That gives them 200k / mo MINIMUM to play with. (NET EARNING)

now let me suppose I had their bandwidth biz.

I have 45,000 Square feet of US based office and datacenter. Even if selling bandwidth was the ONLY thing I did, and I didnt sell small dedicated servers, colocation, and consulting services. I would only be slightly in the hole each month.

I DO sell other things b/s high bandwidth servers however (just as alpha red does, and indeed EVERY other host here does)

the bandwidth I give away free (which I currently do) to my colocation clients for instance (Colocation is a term for someone who just buys rack space in your datacenter, and puts their own servers there, and manages it themselves), allows me to acquire thousands of cabinets all paying me a minimum of 800-1000 dollars per cab.

and ofcourse the 1000's of little dedicated servers that use zero bandwidth really, and net you 100/mo.

I also sell PREMIUM network services. I have a bad ass full mesh network consisting THE BEST providers on the planet click here if you dont believe me. I make good money from that as well. Leveraging that kind of buying power would lower the costs on my premium network dramatically I'm sure.


If I had their bandwidth business, at the end of the day I'd be making coin off of alphared's business. Its called Economies of scale

If my biz would make money, then I'm sure AR's biz would be too.

You have your servers at Equinix. Alpha Red has/had/whatever their own datacenters I believe yes? Most of the truly large hosts do. Basically their colo costs are a 10th of your own. You have to be able to put up Millions up front, but essentially once you can, your colo isnt that bad.


This is where fundementally I AM in the know.

If any of the hosts here want off this roller coaster (cheap OR premium hosts), I would love to chat with you about acquiring your business. ICQ in the sig. or contact henry at swiftco

what 8 hour downtimes ?

You know, I said the same thing to one of my friends. MANY times actually (downtime isn't a rare thing there), and you know what he said?

"Even if I'm down I still save more money hosting there than I do with you, paying your higher rate"

I didn't really have much to say after that.:1orglaugh

I'm SURE their profit margin was absolute SHIT, but I'm betting the amount of profit they DID do overshadowed most of the hosts here.

Would you rather be, hey look I'm wicked profitable, I make 50% profit margin off my 500k gross / year company or would you rather be hey look I'm making billions this year off of my company that has 2-5% profit margin?

I'd REALLY love to know what they actually net each month, that would be VERY telling.

Think I'm lying? Go look at Grocery stores, Boeing , oil companies etc.

A very eye opening thread all around.

LMAO dude I was referring to the natnet downtimes ...:winkwink:

I'm not sure if you are blind or just don't understand. Ryan is obviously in the know as many others are. But slowdown and reread what he posted.

you magically have access to the alphared books ?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

There are so many false and inaccurate assumptions in this thread on every level from so many different people. Henry, I appreciate your taking the time to share more information with everyone here. Fundamentally, what you are talking about in generalities is true. However, the business and economics get tremendously more granular, even with great economies of scale. It is clear that I am misunderstood by several on many levels and that is understandable. I think next week more will come to light. I am hopeful to have the time to do a bit of writing for the board here, for everyone's benefit.

Enjoy your weekend everyone :thumbsup

Brad