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Old 10-03-2008, 01:36 AM   #51
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I understand that people will only ever think their candidate won, and no matter what Palin said .. if you have already decided to vote Democrat you will find some fault somewhere. I don't really like either of them though Biden didn't really say much apart from pointing out McCain's voting record on this or that, and taking potshots at Bush. Even though he really was quite a let down in the debate, I think he would have made a much much better candidate than Obama! Obama has that "I am better than you" factor .. kinda like the goody goody manufactured cheap plastic feel, though Biden seems like a real person, someone with flaws but someone real who you can trust and identify with.
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:45 AM   #52
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It's 6000 years old, not 2000!

Seriously, that is a dealbreaker for me. Anyone who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old on either side automatically doesn't get my vote. I'm sorry, but we can't keep making our society dumber. I know this is big in the red states, but there is a reason they have the highest poverty levels and the lowest test scores.
yea and the almighty obama will magically solve all of the countrys problems! yea thats it!

let the college kids and first time voters run this country!
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:11 AM   #53
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She never answered ANY of the questions.... she would just skip past them, and start into one of her talking points. Drove me crazy that Biden and the moderator wouldn't call her on it like Katie did. BUT, since they didn't corner her she didn't look like the drooling idiot that she did in her interviews this last week..... Just an uneducated mouth piece for the right. I'd still fuck her, but vote for her? LOL G's up Hoes down!
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:55 AM   #55
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They both pretty much just rode it out and hoped they didn't mess up too badly. You know she was trying to make sure she had a place to say that 'say it ain't so Joe' line which was just lame. In fact, the main thing I would say about her is that I could see her working through the bullet points in her head rather than actually listening to the question.
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:04 AM   #56
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If you really want to know who won, it's Biden. The senior analysts all give their grades which means nothing, but then there is a user poll. As a whole Biden was graded a B, Palin a D, and i dont think CNN is really that partisan.

Now for my own personal opinion (I'm an independent supporting Biden & Obama):

Palin sounded naive and corny, Biden attacked McCain with substance - and then at certain points asked Palin to respond to his criticism and she really couldn't. When Palin attacked, Biden rebuffed really well and pointed out the shallowness of her arguments and then struck back by tying it back in with McCain point out her hypocrisy. He smiled at her a lot making him seem more likeable, and on key issues, they agreed, like gay marriage which is going to win over some conservatives imo - in some issues he agreed with her, and turned it against McCain, that hurts lol. He knew where to keep his stances similar, and where to separate them and then attack. He was articulate, spoke efficiently, he was very good, and the ultimate bridge to nowhere comment made the whole audience laugh which is impressive. Substance wise it was a bear slaughtering a puppy, but personality wise, he had the personality of a puppy himself. I thought he did fantastic, she did ok, probably than where I had her, but she was still pretty poor and really didn't know all that much with miselading attacks - she knew the very basics but not enough and was clearly outmatched. Only thing I liked was her comments on small business tax being bad, but then Biden responded with 95% of small business owners make 250k or less and go unaffected, maybe im biased cause my taxes will go up lol.

When clinton said obama will win this and not by a little, i dont think it was a fed line. I think people got caught up in the hype of the convention, McCain gave back all the momentum, which is exactly what happened to Obama and now has his lead probably as high as its ever been, and i think it will even go higher.

oh yeah, is it me or does all the "you betcha" and corny/cheesy comments make you nauszeous, i cant believe we have a world leader talking like that, its incredibly naive and unprofessional.. imagine if someone spoke like that in your office. :2cents

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Biden accused McCain for being responsible for the deregulation of Wall street and the financial mess, then she skipped to respond 2 times and instead started talking about taxes.

She got owned.
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:20 AM   #58
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yea and the almighty obama will magically solve all of the countrys problems! yea thats it!

let the college kids and first time voters run this country!
No one said he'd solve all the problems. But he doesn't believe this is reality.

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One of the thing that bothers me about all the candidates is the term "Joe 6-pack". It just comes across as a degrading term to stereotype everyone. As if everyone but them are simpletons that just sit around drinking beer all the time. That none of us have real issues or real ideas.

I think both candidates do it and I heard it a few times at the debate. Just annoys the fuck out of me. Show some fucking respect.
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Biden accused McCain for being responsible for the deregulation of Wall street and the financial mess, then she skipped to respond 2 times and instead started talking about taxes.

She got owned.
'.....but I want to go back to that taxes point'
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She manage to dodge just about all questions. Imagine if McCain takes office and send her to Russia. They'll eat her alive and none of the leaders will have any kind of respect for her. A Winking VP?
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:51 AM   #62
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yea and the almighty obama will magically solve all of the countrys problems! yea thats it!

let the college kids and first time voters run this country!
Honestly... it can't get any worse than it is now and correct me if I'm wrong... Bush is a republican. So is McCain.

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I understand that people will only ever think their candidate won, and no matter what Palin said .. if you have already decided to vote Democrat you will find some fault somewhere. I don't really like either of them though Biden didn't really say much apart from pointing out McCain's voting record on this or that, and taking potshots at Bush. Even though he really was quite a let down in the debate, I think he would have made a much much better candidate than Obama! Obama has that "I am better than you" factor .. kinda like the goody goody manufactured cheap plastic feel, though Biden seems like a real person, someone with flaws but someone real who you can trust and identify with.
I completely disagree. There is relativity and then there is objective truth. This is where independents come in. While lots of Dems and Repubs are purely partisan, independents like myself judge based on the merits. Biden won the debate easily. Palin was successful in clearing her damaged image to some degree.

Biden had lots to say while Palin repeated talking points. He outlined the differences in his position on the war. In McCain's worldview America was going to win in Iraq in a week. In Biden's worldview America would not be greeted as saviors by Iraqis and years of instability would ensue along with billions of dollars. In McCain's worldview, Afghanistan could be virtually ignored. In Biden's worldview, most of our efforts should have been in Afghanistan. He points out that we spend more money in Iraq in three weeks than we have in the entire 6.5 years we've been in Afghanistan (this is the country that is home to the 9/11 terrorists and Bin Laden). He outlined the need to support Democracy in volatile places like Pakistan to avoid further problems.

In Biden's view, repeating the tax plan that was a success in Alaska under Palin, is the approach to take nationally, while McCain's plan is opposite to Palin's own record on taxes but she has to support it. In Biden's view regulation rather than deregulation is key in Wall Street as is alternative energy which McCain's record is sparse on.

Biden was much sharper in the debate. You could feel comfortable with him giving sound advice to Obama and taking the helm if something happened to Obama. There was no similar feeling of worldliness or understanding eminating Palin.
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I understand that people will only ever think their candidate won, and no matter what Palin said .. if you have already decided to vote Democrat you will find some fault somewhere.
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I understand that people will only ever think their candidate won, and no matter what Palin said .. if you have already decided to vote Republican you will find some fault somewhere.
If you're going to say one, you have to say the second one as well.
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yea and the almighty obama will magically solve all of the countrys problems! yea thats it!

let the college kids and first time voters run this country!
The guy said that anyone who thinks that the world is only 6000 years old and you come back with "and the almighty obama will magically solve all the countrys problems!"

The guy never even mentioned Obama, much less thinking that he'd solve anything. Yet look at you all over yourself. You debate like Palin did. No wonder you think she did well.
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Watching the debate made me wonder why the hell Biden wasn't the top of the ticket...I'd be voting Dem in a heartbeat if he was, he has experience, Presidential, and overall the best candidate for the job.
My words last night. He looked very confident.
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Totally scripted, she was mostly just repeating all the buzzlines shes been repeating since she got on the ticket. I wasn't impressed.
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anyone with half a brain could clearly see that palin won this debate. =)
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Totally scripted, she was mostly just repeating all the buzzlines shes been repeating since she got on the ticket. I wasn't impressed.
If you watch closely... she had cue cards for every issue on her podium... she was scrambling to find the right one a couple of times. If you watch Biden... he writes down the points he wants to rebut while she talks.

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Her policies I may not agree with... But she presented her thoughts and ideas whereas Biden could only rip on Mccain.

She won tonight without a doubt.
Kicked ass? By what standards did you come up with that? Sorry she hardly kicked ass. Not making a complete fool of yourself is not "kicking ass". Coming off as not a retard but still not too smart, is not "kicking ass". She did NOT win. She FAILED to actually answer a question 10 times in the debate. She says she wants to model her vice presidency after Dick Cheney's. That right there is enough for me not to vote for McCain. when asked how a McCain/Palin term would be different that W's 2 terms, she COULD NOT come up with ONE thing that would be different. Fact is that I'm more ready to be VP than her and even I wouldn't vote for myself.
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she won? she sucked! people amaze me. she is so out of her league its not funny. anyway back to the main event.
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Every person on this board who said Palin is intelligent and won the debate are cold because their double wide ran out of gas.
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Biden was much sharper in the debate. You could feel comfortable with him giving sound advice to Obama and taking the helm if something happened to Obama. There was no similar feeling of worldliness or understanding eminating Palin.
And the fact is that is MUCH more likely that Palin will have to take over for McCain than Biden will Obama. McCain should haved tapped Romney as his VP he'd might be ahead and wouldn't be abandoning Michigan.
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Exactly. Obama's advisors, before the debate, stated that Biden's job was to re-inforce the fact that electing McCain is the same as four more years of W.
Did he manage to do that?
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Thoughts? She had no thoughts, only scripts. That's why when she was presented questions she couldn't answer them. She could only recite answers she was pumped with by her coaches - she knows nothing!
watch biden again and where his eyes keep looking except when hes talking about himself.
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The difference between this debate and the interview is she had more practice at matching memorized rhetoric answers to questions. Its quite clear she memorized rhetoric, ignored questions and spouted off scripted answers that had been drilled into her head to best match the questions.
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If you watch closely... she had cue cards for every issue on her podium... she was scrambling to find the right one a couple of times. If you watch Biden... he writes down the points he wants to rebut while she talks.
I thought she sucked personally. Then she talk about helping the small biz owner but not much about the people before I left the set.

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For us to all know nothing about her till she became the #1MILF in the US. She seriously stepped up to the job pretty damn quick with out flinching.
she didnt step up to shit. she declined appearing @ the obama/mccain debate. and she wouldnt debate biden unless she was given to questions before hand and approved of them. give me a break!
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Lets see now, since all of FoxNews claims she won, if she is going to do more interviews and just "let Sarah be Sarah". THAT will be fun....
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By the way, who thinks Dion sucked last night, although Harper was on the offensive a little more than in Wednesdays and May reallly picked it up from her poor first performance. Oh, sorry eh, there was a Leaders Debate for the elections in Canada on the 14th of October... ok, I'l just stop there...
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Old 10-03-2008, 09:38 AM   #93
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The only people that are saying Palin won must be making that judgement with their cocks.
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:53 AM   #94
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The only people that are saying Palin won must be making that judgement with their cocks.


Whats wrong with that? She's a hottie!
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:08 PM   #95
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I dont know, you tell me did we or didnt we ride them...does anyone really know the answer or is it just all personal opinion based on the facts as they understand them?

Further more how intelligent is Biden for asking Chuck Graham to stand up when the guy has been wheelchair bound since the age of 16.

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You sir a one DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!!
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:18 PM   #96
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You know whats funny, if Palin had done that little almost crying thing that Biden did, it would have been all over every newspaper and every news program for days as the #1 story, though since it was Biden not a mention anywhere. I think the media has worked out that people tend to flock to the news programs/publications that give them the news they want to hear. Seems objective and balanced reporting is bad for business and a thing of the past.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:23 PM   #97
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Whats wrong with that? She's a hottie!
Ha ha, yeah, that's true, but hopefully the same people don't use their cocks to vote
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:27 PM   #98
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Her policies I may not agree with... But she presented her thoughts and ideas whereas Biden could only rip on Mccain.

She won tonight without a doubt.
Isn't that all McCain did in the first debate? Attacked Obama.. I still never figured out what McCain planed to do, because he was too busy saying "vote for me because I'm not Obama".
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:31 PM   #99
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Sarah Palin
She's not so bad a breathe of fresh air
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thats one hottie that I wouldnt mind yapping while I drill her from any direction
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