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Big John · 10-02-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

i am so pissed off that biden let palin get away with changing the topic and not answering the original question...

His problem then he would have been directly 'attacking' a 'poor defenceless almost MILF' the nasty bastard. Pretty sure he was trying hard not to do so despite wanting to as despite the fact that she could end up running the country how dare anyone be mean to her

PornMD · 10-02-2008, 07:44 PM

I'd vote for the Maverick. Dude pulled a royal flush to beat a straight flush, 4 of a kind, and full boat to win a poker tournament...if anyone can pull magic out of their ass to save the economy, he can!

J. Falcon · 10-02-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

if you cant see the difference between speaking out of knowledge and parroting what you have been told to say, well, then i guess you get what you get...

Aint that the truth.

uno · 10-02-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Owner

Can they never get a babysitter for that kid?

My fiance asked why the baby is always asleep. lol

NaughtyVisions · 10-02-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

My fiance asked why the baby is always asleep. lol

Palin's programmed babbling bores it to sleep.

TheDoc · 10-02-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo

I love listening to Biden "SIiiiiiiiighhhhhhhh" everytime Palin talks...

your ears bleed?

And in other news...

She did take that Energy direction and what I did in Alaska, Oil/gas direction. Sucks that some Americans will buy into that crap and to know some Americans will buy into the BS, danger, war, death idea, just more of the same fear.

Overall.. Very funny debate.... Both had some good answers, both screwed up a few times. I loved it when she was just stumped, best part every time.

borys · 10-02-2008, 07:50 PM

Did they really have to drag that poor baby to the stage yet again?

RP Fade · 10-02-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by borys

Did they really have to drag that poor baby to the stage yet again?

They forced Levi Johnson to have a shotgun wedding, why wouldn't they

qxm · 10-02-2008, 07:53 PM

1. Palin didn't quote any specifics and most of the answers were a complete "run around"... her answers were more rhetorical.

2. Created her own questions before time and answered them without anyone bringing them up

3. Wants increased legislative power for the VP when the VP functions are executive (checks and balances anyone?)

4. Clearly rehearsed and lacked substance. Nothing can be taken from this debate from Palin's side.

5. Biden was very specific in his answers, embraced the topics and clearly outlined the differences between Barack and McCain...

6. I loved the winks ;) ... Kinda aroused me ;)

Useless Warrior · 10-02-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

His problem then he would have been directly 'attacking' a 'poor defenceless almost MILF' the nasty bastard. Pretty sure he was trying hard not to do so despite wanting to as despite the fact that she could end up running the country how dare anyone be mean to her

Yup. He was warned and warned to not be mean to the little, defenseless woman - which, of course, wouldn't have been the case for anyone debating against Hillary. Biden is better off being the nice guy and being perceived as friendly and acceptable to the Republican base, rather than angering them, even if it does mean that he's not allowed to hammer out a better argument.

RP Fade · 10-02-2008, 07:55 PM

I see it as a tie. She did what she needed to do which was not sound like a complete moron and Biden didn't do what he shouldn't which was to be overbearing, disrespectful, long-winded and preachy.

Oh you mean issues? Come on..this is not about issues folks

brassmonkey · 10-02-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

My fiance asked why the baby is always asleep. lol

probably Embarassed

Drake · 10-02-2008, 08:48 PM

Illuminating debate.

Palin was successful in repairing her image - showing that she can actually perform on her feet. But I don't think she breeds confidence in the role of VP or potential President.

Biden was the clear winner. He talked specifics and substance.

Verdict: Palin makes her base happy, saves herself from shame, has a future; Biden reassures his base and Independents that he is suited for VP as well as President should he have to succeed Obama. Between the two tickets I think Biden compliments Obama better than Palin compliments McCain.

Big John · 10-02-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

Palin was successful in repairing her image - showing that she can actually perform on her feet.

Being unable to answer 90%+ of the questions and spouting the same rhetoric over and over != performing on your feet

milan · 10-02-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

I see it as a tie. She did what she needed to do which was not sound like a complete moron and Biden didn't do what he shouldn't which was to be overbearing, disrespectful, long-winded and preachy.

Oh you mean issues? Come on..this is not about issues folks

Finally some real post, this is what it was all about.

and..... Palin is definitely a MILF damn!

Drake · 10-02-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

Being unable to answer 90%+ of the questions and spouting the same rhetoric over and over != performing on your feet

There was plenty of that, but considering this could have been a disaster, she did all that she had to do - create no further damage.

Big John · 10-02-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

There was plenty of that, but considering this could have been a disaster, she did all that she had to do - create no further damage.

I still disagree hugely. You stated she proved she could perform on her feet. She simply didn't.

She was way out of her depth and unable to answer the vast majority of questions. I'm also a little lost as to how that created no further damage? I didn't have a high opinion of the woman to start but went into this with an open mind...my view of her could now not get any lower and I'd be amazed if I was even close to alone on that.

All the debate proved was that she should of stayed where she was ie in local politics of a smallish population.

Drake · 10-02-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

I still disagree hugely. You stated she proved she could perform on her feet. She simply didn't.

She answered the questions coherently. Obviously lots of it was scripted type answers, but even that's better than what she did in the interviews. Obviously there was no depth there but it wasn't a disaster.

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Originally Posted by Big John

She was way out of her depth and unable to answer the vast majority of questions. I'm also a little lost as to how that created no further damage

No gaffes or lines SNL can use [unmodified] for sheer laughs. If she did that, she would have caused more damage. I suppose I mean catastrophic damage because I think that the performance will actually sway some to re-consider the McCain/Palin ticket on the whole. But there isn't going to be a huge run from the ticket like there might have be if the performance was as poor as the interviews.

This is just an opinion. I could be completely wrong.

RP Fade · 10-02-2008, 09:19 PM

Here is one question/statement that stood out for me the whole night. I think I heard correctly Palin say she was for same sex marriages and agreed with Biden? Did anyone else catch this? That's a huge shift from evangelical/republican beliefs isn't it?

Drake · 10-02-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

Here is one question/statement that stood out for me the whole night. I think I heard correctly Palin say she was for same sex marriages and agreed with Biden? Did anyone else catch this? That's a huge shift from evangelical/republican beliefs isn't it?

I wasn't clear on that either.They both support same sex benefits but neither supports same sex marriage. I guess they believe what you call it is a personal matter and do not agree with redefining marriage as anything other than union between man and woman. So for all intents and purposes gays can get 'married' and would be fine with both candidates.

From the transcript:

BIDEN: Absolutely. Do I support granting same-sex benefits? Absolutely positively. Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple.

The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted -- same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair.

IFILL: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it.

IFILL: Is that what your said?

PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...te.transcript/

Darkland · 10-02-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RP Fade

Here is one question/statement that stood out for me the whole night. I think I heard correctly Palin say she was for same sex marriages and agreed with Biden? Did anyone else catch this? That's a huge shift from evangelical/republican beliefs isn't it?

Nope. She said she opposes same sex marriage.

Zebra · 10-02-2008, 09:38 PM

You can train a pig (with or without lipstick) to do tricks, and at times it may appear to the public that the pig is doing something that requires it to be intelligent, when in fact it is just putting on a good show and doing what it was trained to do. 'nuff said.

SpicedUpCash · 10-02-2008, 09:38 PM

Palin did much better than her youtube vids lead me to believe.

RP Fade · 10-02-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

I wasn't clear on that either.They both support same sex benefits but neither supports same sex marriage. I guess they believe what you call it is a personal matter and do not agree with redefining marriage as anything other than union between man and woman. So for all intents and purposes gays can get 'married' and would be fine with both candidates.

From the transcript:

BIDEN: Absolutely. Do I support granting same-sex benefits? Absolutely positively. Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple.

The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted -- same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair.

IFILL: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it.

IFILL: Is that what your said?

PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...te.transcript/

Thanks for clearing it up..so they both support same sex benefits which I didn't hear it right.

Drake · 10-02-2008, 09:51 PM

I think Biden did a real service to Obama when it came to foreign policy experience, of which he has plenty. He basically made the case that for all of McCain's military experience, McCain's been fundamentally wrong in his foreign policy ambitions and approach.

So you basically have Biden able to match or best McCain on military/foreign policy while Obama and Biden can both do the same to Palin on economics. The latter has executive experience but seems ill-prepared or unable to transfer that experience on the national level due to unfamiliarity or not enough understanding of it.

Biden essentially argued that he and Obama want to do exactly what Palin did successfully in Alaska - tax super wealthy companies to give tax breaks to the middleclass. McCain's tax proposal is polar opposite to what Palin did in Alaska. She taxed oil companies in order to cut taxes for the middleclass and to give the the middleclass royalties from oil revenues. Her past success in this area is actually in lockstep with Obama's tax plan.

Biden also challenged McCain's "Maverick" status directly.

I think these things make Obama and Biden a more formidable team at this point.

J-Reel · 10-02-2008, 10:16 PM

"Say it ain't so joe... there ya go again, dog gone it"

robfantasy · 10-02-2008, 10:18 PM

i feel sad for biden

poor guy wanted to run for president, talks shit about obama

now has to humiliate himself and whore himself out for this fraud obama.

what an insult and a slap in the face for this guy and his years of work in politics

Iron Fist · 10-02-2008, 10:20 PM

I liked how he turned around that Health care $5,000 tax credit to a $22,000 "Bridge To Nowhere", yikes.. that fucking hurt Palin but no one seemed to catch that rebuttal. It was fucking awesome.

dav3 · 10-02-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

I liked how he turned around that Health care $5,000 tax credit to a $22,000 "Bridge To Nowhere", yikes.. that fucking hurt Palin but no one seemed to catch that rebuttal. It was fucking awesome.

the crowd caught it. there was a subtle wave of laughter coming from the audience when he said that.

KillerK · 10-03-2008, 01:52 AM

she did well and I think earned herself a tie...

We'll see how she does at the next debate.

borys · 10-03-2008, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

We'll see how she does at the next debate.

This was the only VP debate.

Palin's next debate will be in her comeback attempt for mayor of Wassilla. And after that we'll hopefully never hear of her again.

pigman · 10-03-2008, 03:51 AM

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BIDEN: Well Gwen, two years ago Barack Obama warned about the sub prime mortgage crisis. John McCain said shortly after that in December he was surprised there was a sub prime mortgage problem. John McCain while Barack Obama was warning about what we had to do was literally giving an interview to The Wall Street Journal saying that I'm always for cutting regulations. We let Wall Street run wild. John McCain and he's a good man, but John McCain thought the answer is that tried and true Republican response, deregulate, deregulate.

So what you had is you had overwhelming "deregulation." You had actually the belief that Wall Street could self-regulate itself. And while Barack Obama was talking about reinstating those regulations, John on 20 different occasions in the previous year and a half called for more deregulation. As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry deregulate it and let the free market move like he did for the banking industry.

So deregulation was the promise. And guess what? Those people who say don't go into debt, they can barely pay to fill up their gas tank. I was recently at my local gas station and asked a guy named Joey Danco (ph). I said Joey, how much did it cost to fill your tank? You know what his answer was? He said I don't know, Joe. I never have enough money to do it. The middle class needs relief, tax relief. They need it now. They need help now. The focus will change with Barack Obama.

IFILL: Governor, please if you want to respond to what he said about Sen. McCain's comments about health care?

PALIN: I would like to respond about the tax increases. We can speak in agreement here that darn right we need tax relief for Americans so that jobs can be created here. Now, Barack Obama and Sen. Biden also voted for the largest tax increases in U.S. history. Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction, 94 times.

Now, that's not what we need to create jobs and really bolster and heat up our economy. We do need the private sector to be able to keep more of what we earn and produce. Government is going to have to learn to be more efficient and live with less if that's what it takes to reign in the government growth that we've seen today. But we do need tax relief and Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year. That's a lot of middle income average American families to increase taxes on them. I think that is the way to kill jobs and to continue to harm our economy.

IFILL: Senator?

BIDEN: The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way. It was a budget procedural vote. John McCain voted the same way. It did not raise taxes. Number two, using the standard that the governor uses, John McCain voted 477 times to raise taxes. It's a bogus standard it but if you notice, Gwen, the governor did not answer the question about deregulation, did not answer the question of defending John McCain about not going along with the deregulation, letting Wall Street run wild. He did support deregulation almost across the board. That's why we got into so much trouble.

IFILL: Would you like to have an opportunity to answer that before we move on?

PALIN: I'm still on the tax thing because I want to correct you on that again. And I want to let you know what I did as a mayor and as a governor. And I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also. As mayor, every year I was in office I did reduce taxes. I eliminated personal property taxes and eliminated small business inventory taxes and as governor we suspended our state fuel tax. We did all of those things knowing that that is how our economy would be heated up. Now, as for John McCain's adherence to rules and regulations and pushing for even harder and tougher regulations, that is another thing that he is known for though. Look at the tobacco industry. Look at campaign finance reform.

IFILL: OK, our time is up here. We've got to move to the next question

He blamed the financial mess on McCain and the republicans and she didn't even want to respond. She probably hadn't rehearsed that so she switched topic. BIG MISSTAKE

nico-t · 10-03-2008, 04:26 AM

btw i dont understand something. Why do they call this a debate? They are just answering questions of a 3rd party, a debate is a discussion between people. This sucks.

Big John · 10-03-2008, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

btw i dont understand something. Why do they call this a debate? They are just answering questions of a 3rd party, a debate is a discussion between people. This sucks.

It's a weird thing in the US (for anyone having stepped outside its borders for any length of time) that the president very rarely has to answer questions and even the candidates rarely meet head to head. So ANY king of debate (and I use the term loosely) is important to them.

Compare that with the UK for example where the main opposition gets to grill the PM more or less every week and harsh press interviews are common.

Been reading more posts and articles on it elsewhere stating it was a 'tie' because she didn't do as badly as she could. It'll be an interesting olympics next time if that's gonna be the criteria for awarding medals

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qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	1. Palin didn't quote any specifics and most of the answers were a complete "run around"... her answers were more rhetorical. 2. Created her own questions before time and answered them without anyone bringing them up 3. Wants increased legislative power for the VP when the VP functions are executive (checks and balances anyone?) 4. Clearly rehearsed and lacked substance. Nothing can be taken from this debate from Palin's side. 5. Biden was very specific in his answers, embraced the topics and clearly outlined the differences between Barack and McCain... 6. I loved the winks ;) ... Kinda aroused me ;) __________________ ICQ: 266990876 Last edited by qxm; 10-02-2008 at 07:56 PM..

10-02-2008, 07:55 PM	#161
RP Fade Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,343	I see it as a tie. She did what she needed to do which was not sound like a complete moron and Biden didn't do what he shouldn't which was to be overbearing, disrespectful, long-winded and preachy. Oh you mean issues? Come on..this is not about issues folks __________________ HomemadeCash.com - Homemade & GF sites powered by NScash.com HomemadeVideoPass.com - The only all homemade mega site OurHomemadePorno.com - Real couples fucking on camera Contact ICQ: 400-786-531 Email: fade AT nscash.com

10-02-2008, 08:48 PM	#163
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Illuminating debate. Palin was successful in repairing her image - showing that she can actually perform on her feet. But I don't think she breeds confidence in the role of VP or potential President. Biden was the clear winner. He talked specifics and substance. Verdict: Palin makes her base happy, saves herself from shame, has a future; Biden reassures his base and Independents that he is suited for VP as well as President should he have to succeed Obama. Between the two tickets I think Biden compliments Obama better than Palin compliments McCain. Last edited by Drake; 10-02-2008 at 08:53 PM..

10-02-2008, 09:19 PM	#169
RP Fade Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,343	Here is one question/statement that stood out for me the whole night. I think I heard correctly Palin say she was for same sex marriages and agreed with Biden? Did anyone else catch this? That's a huge shift from evangelical/republican beliefs isn't it? __________________ HomemadeCash.com - Homemade & GF sites powered by NScash.com HomemadeVideoPass.com - The only all homemade mega site OurHomemadePorno.com - Real couples fucking on camera Contact ICQ: 400-786-531 Email: fade AT nscash.com

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10-02-2008, 09:51 PM	#175
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I think Biden did a real service to Obama when it came to foreign policy experience, of which he has plenty. He basically made the case that for all of McCain's military experience, McCain's been fundamentally wrong in his foreign policy ambitions and approach. So you basically have Biden able to match or best McCain on military/foreign policy while Obama and Biden can both do the same to Palin on economics. The latter has executive experience but seems ill-prepared or unable to transfer that experience on the national level due to unfamiliarity or not enough understanding of it. Biden essentially argued that he and Obama want to do exactly what Palin did successfully in Alaska - tax super wealthy companies to give tax breaks to the middleclass. McCain's tax proposal is polar opposite to what Palin did in Alaska. She taxed oil companies in order to cut taxes for the middleclass and to give the the middleclass royalties from oil revenues. Her past success in this area is actually in lockstep with Obama's tax plan. Biden also challenged McCain's "Maverick" status directly. I think these things make Obama and Biden a more formidable team at this point. Last edited by Drake; 10-02-2008 at 09:54 PM..

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Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	I liked how he turned around that Health care $5,000 tax credit to a $22,000 "Bridge To Nowhere", yikes.. that fucking hurt Palin but no one seemed to catch that rebuttal. It was fucking awesome. __________________ i like waffles

10-03-2008, 01:52 AM	#180
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	she did well and I think earned herself a tie... We'll see how she does at the next debate.

10-03-2008, 04:26 AM	#183
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	btw i dont understand something. Why do they call this a debate? They are just answering questions of a 3rd party, a debate is a discussion between people. This sucks.