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CDSmith · 11-01-2002, 04:27 PM

Tell me, what is it exactly about this chick that makes her a "Goth" chick?

<img SRC="http://www.wantongirls.com/clientsamples/gothgirl_1.jpg">

Theo · 11-01-2002, 04:39 PM

her shampoo

cherrylula · 11-01-2002, 04:43 PM

oh no, its gonna be the endless "what is goth" argument.

I must say that for content purposes, at least one good tattoo or piercing is almost mandatory. Anyone can dye their hair black, its about the pain.

CDSmith · 11-01-2002, 04:46 PM

The only tattoo on this chick is her eyebrows. Does that count?

cherrylula · 11-01-2002, 04:48 PM

no... it looks like they are shaved and drawn on with a makeup pencil.

Fletch XXX · 11-01-2002, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
Tell me, what is it exactly about this chick that makes her a "Goth" chick?

Id say its the maroon fingernail paint thats chipped away from her biting her fingernails.

I looooove goth girls.

Nice content.

Meni69 · 11-01-2002, 04:56 PM

I had no problem when guys said jenna's not their cup of tea. But when someone starts insluting her, why shouldn't I take it personal, she's my friend. To each his own, then you have dude from DK calling her a cheap whore.
So that's cool? I should just say thanks for the comment?
Thanks for pointing out the pic is from the Halloween party.
as for marketing and perceived value and real value.
I think Jenna's book deal, dance rate, film sales, shows her real value, not perceived value.
Thats cash in her pocket.

CDSmith · 11-01-2002, 05:01 PM

Meni...... the bottom line is that she's a fucking porn star. Some people are going to call her a cheap whore no matter how big a tantrum you toss. It's just the way it is. This board is the busiest in the world, which means that along with all the great fun we have, there will also be quite a few dipshits that feel the need to sling some shit.

That's why I said "don't take it personal", aight? Pissing back accomplishes nothing. You know who your supporters and friends are.

cherrylula · 11-01-2002, 05:04 PM

so you didn't mean the bad things you said about this message board, is that what you are trying to get at?

Theo · 11-01-2002, 05:05 PM

Jenna is a star. Period.

You don't like her? Cool. You don't like what she does? Cool.
It's at least ridiculous to attempt to degrade her while your business field is highly associated with what she does. You like it or not, you are pornographers. The bottom of society in the eyes of the rest world.

Learn to respect.

Theo · 11-01-2002, 05:07 PM

"Some people are going to call her a cheap whore"

yeap, the poets, nobelists and freedom fighters of the each adult bbs

Machete_ · 11-01-2002, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Jenna is a star. Period.

You don't like her? Cool. You don't like what she does? Cool.
It's at least ridiculous to attempt to degrade her while your business field is highly associated with what she does. You like it or not, you are pornographers. The bottom of society in the eyes of the rest world.

Learn to respect.

I DO god damm it.!!!! just dont think this guy should try to make her some superhuman, because she knows how to play the field.
She is a PRO. I said it all along... she makes money, and is in controll of her BIG bussiness, and I make money selling her stuff to, but she is still just a pornstar.. PERIOD!!!
(And im JUST A WEBMASTER) we have the same customers, so I play along..... end of story....

corvette · 11-01-2002, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Jenna is a star. Period.

You don't like her? Cool. You don't like what she does? Cool.
It's at least ridiculous to attempt to degrade her while your business field is highly associated with what she does. You like it or not, you are pornographers. The bottom of society in the eyes of the rest world.

Learn to respect.

Just got home...thats a lot of pages...

Posts like the one above are the reason why i have a high degree of respect for some people on this board.

You can?t pick a successful person that doesn't have detractors, some that are highly vocal. If you think that you can, name one. I guarantee that somebody will bash them

She is good looking, relatively young, and in this industry, she owns an empire

I was very grateful to have been invited, I hope that this thread doesn?t 86 the chances of another invite?

soul, icq me, i am going to paypal you a dollar

anyway, so what do you think? She cute?

TeraBabes · 11-01-2002, 07:49 PM

Well, this thread sure has gotten interesting. Might as well throw in my 2 cents:

Jenna is the most successful porn star to have ever lived. I don't think many people would argue with that. Despite what the guys on this board say, they all respect her for that. If they don't they are stupid. That would be like not respecting quiet's success because he's Canadian

As for her looks, that's a matter of personal opinion. I think she's hot. I don't think she's the best looking porn star out there, but that's ok - I doubt she thinks I am the best looking webmaster out there either. I'm not gonna take it personally. It's just an opinion. What's the big deal?

Theo · 11-01-2002, 08:26 PM

canadian dollar?

gothweb · 11-01-2002, 08:39 PM

Jenna is hot. However, some people don't think she is hot enough to be considered the biggest pornstar in the world. Is that really an insult to her, or to you, Meni? Like, is the top selling musician really the best? A lot of people get similarly upset when generic wins out over most talented in other arenas. No different here.

Mutt's photos look good. The girl isn't hardcore goth, but neither are all of mine, and I do just fine in the niche. Goth is a lot more personal than some set of rules. Plenty of my models don't have tats, or major piercings. Plenty don't have black hair. So do plenty of my goth friends. Who's gonna revoke our licenses? ;)

Oh, and there is a such thing as degrees of exclusivity. An exclusive club lets more than one person inside. Exclusive means "not everyone" (root, to exclude). As such, semi-exclusive content is a real possibility. There is room in between "everywhere on the net" and "only on a handful of sites".

I have spoken. Next. ;)

CDSmith · 11-01-2002, 08:51 PM

Don't make the foolish mistake of taking me up the wrong way. I love Jenna, the movies with her that I've seen I have loved. She's the top of the heap, for the past many years now.

My point was that with over 5000 posters on this board, there will always be lot of people who feel the need to post negative ignorant hurtful comments no matter what. It's a given in any society, that a certain percentage will be this way. It should come as no surprise. None at all.

I mean really, haven't we all seen time and time again, somone posts a pic of a new model or a hot babe, and lo and behold someone crawls out of the fucking woodwork and publicly calls her ugly. Take it for what it's worth.

Kimmykim · 11-01-2002, 08:52 PM

Who's the pig tail cutie, second from left? ;)

Y'all leave Jenna alone -- love her, hate her, whatever... if it weren't for girls that 'fuck fuck for money on camera' as you put it, nobody with straight traffic would be making a dime.

corvette · 11-01-2002, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
canadian dollar?

no, 344.31 Drachma

Theo · 11-01-2002, 09:31 PM

Bobo · 11-01-2002, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
Isn't she?

How does that song they play at the clubs go again?

"She's a HO, she's a HO, everybody know, she's a Ho..."

corvette · 11-01-2002, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Who's the pig tail cutie, second from left? ;)

the guy that runs Cat Eye, his GF

KK, we all miss you

Mutt · 11-01-2002, 10:46 PM

gothweb,

thanks. That model is Goth, my photographer knows her well, she's not a porn chick. She considers herself a goth chick, i have no idea what that is and who the national governing body is who
hands out certificates of authenticity to Goth types.

I just really think it's funny how a clique of people who really want to be unique and different have this need to draw this line of who is and who isn't, creating another exclusive group. Sounds awfully much like the mainstream society most of these types criticize for its stereotyping of individuals, its negative attitude toward those who are 'different'. Not much difference between an employer who slams the door on some kid cuz he's got black nail polish, tattoss and a pierced lip and some goth who tells some girls she's persona non gratas because she's missed a few of the requirements to be a real goth.

Anybody who feels a need to be branded or brand others 'authentic' by any group, goth or otherwise, is pathetic. Teenagers of course get a pass, that's part of adolescence, it's pathological.

As for SEMI-EXCLUSIVE content. Yes in theory SEMI-EXCLUSIVE content is possible and a good thing. But this is the Adult Net where what people say they are going to do and what they actually do often don't match. Nobody believes a content provider who says 'We limit the sale of this set to no more than 10 webmasters, then it is retired' - sad for the honest guy who really plans to do that. But I think most webmasters just roll their eyeballs when they read that copy.

And it's no better when it comes to EXCLUSIVE content. There are photographers who actually believe that doing ONE shoot for TWO or THREE exclusive customers at the same time is ok.
Even numbered images go to Customer A and Odd numbered images go to Customer B. I have had three clients tell me this has happened to them.

The only thing I can't promise as exclusive is the model. And we do our best not to shoot a model more than a handful of times. Plus I ask them if there are any websites out there that they wouldn't want to have us shooting the same model for.

Pretty models whether you discover them yourself or they have been shot before are going to be shot by numerous photographers. Unless you're located in some place a bit off the map.

CDSmith · 11-02-2002, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
I just really think it's funny how a clique of people who really want to be unique and different have this need to draw this line of who is and who isn't, creating another exclusive group. Sounds awfully much like the mainstream society most of these types criticize for its stereotyping of individuals, its negative attitude toward those who are 'different'. Not much difference between an employer who slams the door on some kid cuz he's got black nail polish, tattoss and a pierced lip and some goth who tells some girls she's persona non gratas because she's missed a few of the requirements to be a real goth.

Anybody who feels a need to be branded or brand others 'authentic' by any group, goth or otherwise, is pathetic. Teenagers of course get a pass, that's part of adolescence, it's pathological.

Thanks for the long-winded speech Mutt, but there's no need to get all defensive and stupid about it. Really and truly... I was just asking a question. Why? Because I thought since you were tossing the term "goth" around that maybe you had a clue what you were talking about. That's all.

I'm not sure what brought on the rest of it.

Funbrunette · 11-02-2002, 08:16 AM

I find Jenna VERY attractive..Even without much makeup she looks great!

fear · 11-02-2002, 01:42 PM

Jenna is hot, unless you`re gay..

big fan jenna jameson · 01-02-2003, 02:38 AM

well if someone can make as much money as jenna jameson does. and still thinks that she is a whore which she isnt and she is very cute and attractive. but until then noone can hold s candle to jenna in my own opinion. yea what she does is her business not ours and noone else.

Fletch XXX · 01-02-2003, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by big fan jenna jameson
well if someone can make as much money as jenna jameson does. and still thinks that she is a whore which she isnt and she is very cute and attractive. but until then noone can hold s candle to jenna in my own opinion. yea what she does is her business not ours and noone else.

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Oh look Meni decided to take a break from the 'paid to post' board and spam 'Jenna'

buahahaha

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=86165

Mutt · 01-02-2003, 03:41 AM

why are all these old Jenna Jameson threads getting ressurrected the last few days?

tony286 · 01-02-2003, 07:22 AM

I think the problem is 75% of the guys on here, have to shut off your computer, go out and get laid. You guys act like a bunch of porn customers not people in the business. A pretty girl comes on here and it becomes an impress her contest. Jenna is a business woman who knows her body and looks make her lots of money. Being a professional she is nice to everyone because thats her business. To get all excited over a porn star its like when I was a kid and had a crush on Farrah lol. I cant remember the last time a porn flick did anything for me. Its my work, I was photographing this very hot chick playing with a assortment of toys and know what I was thinking about? What I was going to have at Starbucks when I got done shooting her lol .Go find women in the real world that will have sex with you, so you can sound more like porn professionals instead of customers lol.

Triple 6 · 01-02-2003, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
A pretty girl comes on here and it becomes an impress her contest.

hahaha, what do you expect? Its sad that the ones that do that have no idea how lame they look.

Turf · 01-02-2003, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

You have got to be kidding me. That girl is probably one of the ugliest chicks ive seen the whole month of october!

That girl is too fucking hot, she beats any of the real sheep on the picture posted earlier thats for sure..

corvette · 03-18-2003, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Funbrunette
I find Jenna VERY attractive..Even without much makeup she looks great!

agreed

foreverjason · 03-18-2003, 06:18 PM

They all look so similar. Second one from which front? lol

lagwagon · 03-18-2003, 06:22 PM

wooohooo i am in this thread!!!!

corvette · 03-18-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
2nd from right

the second from your right while looking at the picture

Niki · 03-18-2003, 06:47 PM

more pics

11-01-2002, 04:27 PM	#151
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Tell me, what is it exactly about this chick that makes her a "Goth" chick? <img SRC="http://www.wantongirls.com/clientsamples/gothgirl_1.jpg"> __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-01-2002, 04:43 PM	#153
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	oh no, its gonna be the endless "what is goth" argument. I must say that for content purposes, at least one good tattoo or piercing is almost mandatory. Anyone can dye their hair black, its about the pain. Last edited by cherrylula; 11-01-2002 at 04:45 PM..

11-01-2002, 04:46 PM	#154
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	The only tattoo on this chick is her eyebrows. Does that count? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-01-2002, 04:56 PM	#157
Meni69 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 440	I had no problem when guys said jenna's not their cup of tea. But when someone starts insluting her, why shouldn't I take it personal, she's my friend. To each his own, then you have dude from DK calling her a cheap whore. So that's cool? I should just say thanks for the comment? Thanks for pointing out the pic is from the Halloween party. as for marketing and perceived value and real value. I think Jenna's book deal, dance rate, film sales, shows her real value, not perceived value. Thats cash in her pocket. __________________ Earn $40/Free Join with Cream Bling.. Exclusive content, tube clips

11-01-2002, 05:01 PM	#158
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Meni...... the bottom line is that she's a fucking porn star. Some people are going to call her a cheap whore no matter how big a tantrum you toss. It's just the way it is. This board is the busiest in the world, which means that along with all the great fun we have, there will also be quite a few dipshits that feel the need to sling some shit. That's why I said "don't take it personal", aight? Pissing back accomplishes nothing. You know who your supporters and friends are. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-01-2002, 04:39 PM	#152
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	her shampoo

11-01-2002, 04:48 PM	#155
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	no... it looks like they are shaved and drawn on with a makeup pencil.

11-01-2002, 05:04 PM	#159
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	so you didn't mean the bad things you said about this message board, is that what you are trying to get at?

11-01-2002, 05:05 PM	#160
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Jenna is a star. Period. You don't like her? Cool. You don't like what she does? Cool. It's at least ridiculous to attempt to degrade her while your business field is highly associated with what she does. You like it or not, you are pornographers. The bottom of society in the eyes of the rest world. Learn to respect.

11-01-2002, 05:07 PM	#161
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	"Some people are going to call her a cheap whore" yeap, the poets, nobelists and freedom fighters of the each adult bbs

11-01-2002, 07:49 PM	#164
TeraBabes Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Under Water Posts: 2,067	Well, this thread sure has gotten interesting. Might as well throw in my 2 cents: Jenna is the most successful porn star to have ever lived. I don't think many people would argue with that. Despite what the guys on this board say, they all respect her for that. If they don't they are stupid. That would be like not respecting quiet's success because he's Canadian As for her looks, that's a matter of personal opinion. I think she's hot. I don't think she's the best looking porn star out there, but that's ok - I doubt she thinks I am the best looking webmaster out there either. I'm not gonna take it personally. It's just an opinion. What's the big deal? __________________ This place is too big.

11-01-2002, 08:26 PM	#165
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	canadian dollar?

11-01-2002, 08:39 PM	#166
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Jenna is hot. However, some people don't think she is hot enough to be considered the biggest pornstar in the world. Is that really an insult to her, or to you, Meni? Like, is the top selling musician really the best? A lot of people get similarly upset when generic wins out over most talented in other arenas. No different here. Mutt's photos look good. The girl isn't hardcore goth, but neither are all of mine, and I do just fine in the niche. Goth is a lot more personal than some set of rules. Plenty of my models don't have tats, or major piercings. Plenty don't have black hair. So do plenty of my goth friends. Who's gonna revoke our licenses? ;) Oh, and there is a such thing as degrees of exclusivity. An exclusive club lets more than one person inside. Exclusive means "not everyone" (root, to exclude). As such, semi-exclusive content is a real possibility. There is room in between "everywhere on the net" and "only on a handful of sites". I have spoken. Next. ;) __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

11-01-2002, 08:51 PM	#167
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Don't make the foolish mistake of taking me up the wrong way. I love Jenna, the movies with her that I've seen I have loved. She's the top of the heap, for the past many years now. My point was that with over 5000 posters on this board, there will always be lot of people who feel the need to post negative ignorant hurtful comments no matter what. It's a given in any society, that a certain percentage will be this way. It should come as no surprise. None at all. I mean really, haven't we all seen time and time again, somone posts a pic of a new model or a hot babe, and lo and behold someone crawls out of the fucking woodwork and publicly calls her ugly. Take it for what it's worth. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-01-2002, 08:52 PM	#168
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Who's the pig tail cutie, second from left? ;) Y'all leave Jenna alone -- love her, hate her, whatever... if it weren't for girls that 'fuck fuck for money on camera' as you put it, nobody with straight traffic would be making a dime.

11-01-2002, 09:31 PM	#170
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515

11-01-2002, 10:46 PM	#173
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	gothweb, thanks. That model is Goth, my photographer knows her well, she's not a porn chick. She considers herself a goth chick, i have no idea what that is and who the national governing body is who hands out certificates of authenticity to Goth types. I just really think it's funny how a clique of people who really want to be unique and different have this need to draw this line of who is and who isn't, creating another exclusive group. Sounds awfully much like the mainstream society most of these types criticize for its stereotyping of individuals, its negative attitude toward those who are 'different'. Not much difference between an employer who slams the door on some kid cuz he's got black nail polish, tattoss and a pierced lip and some goth who tells some girls she's persona non gratas because she's missed a few of the requirements to be a real goth. Anybody who feels a need to be branded or brand others 'authentic' by any group, goth or otherwise, is pathetic. Teenagers of course get a pass, that's part of adolescence, it's pathological. As for SEMI-EXCLUSIVE content. Yes in theory SEMI-EXCLUSIVE content is possible and a good thing. But this is the Adult Net where what people say they are going to do and what they actually do often don't match. Nobody believes a content provider who says 'We limit the sale of this set to no more than 10 webmasters, then it is retired' - sad for the honest guy who really plans to do that. But I think most webmasters just roll their eyeballs when they read that copy. And it's no better when it comes to EXCLUSIVE content. There are photographers who actually believe that doing ONE shoot for TWO or THREE exclusive customers at the same time is ok. Even numbered images go to Customer A and Odd numbered images go to Customer B. I have had three clients tell me this has happened to them. The only thing I can't promise as exclusive is the model. And we do our best not to shoot a model more than a handful of times. Plus I ask them if there are any websites out there that they wouldn't want to have us shooting the same model for. Pretty models whether you discover them yourself or they have been shot before are going to be shot by numerous photographers. Unless you're located in some place a bit off the map. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-02-2002, 08:16 AM	#175
Funbrunette Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 4,834	I find Jenna VERY attractive..Even without much makeup she looks great! __________________ Stephanie (Funbrunette) [email protected] ICQ: 155-713-409

11-02-2002, 01:42 PM	#176
fear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Scandinavia Posts: 379	Jenna is hot, unless you`re gay..

01-02-2003, 02:38 AM	#177
big fan jenna jameson Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: no. california Posts: 70	well if someone can make as much money as jenna jameson does. and still thinks that she is a whore which she isnt and she is very cute and attractive. but until then noone can hold s candle to jenna in my own opinion. yea what she does is her business not ours and noone else.

01-02-2003, 03:41 AM	#179
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	why are all these old Jenna Jameson threads getting ressurrected the last few days? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-02-2003, 07:22 AM	#180
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think the problem is 75% of the guys on here, have to shut off your computer, go out and get laid. You guys act like a bunch of porn customers not people in the business. A pretty girl comes on here and it becomes an impress her contest. Jenna is a business woman who knows her body and looks make her lots of money. Being a professional she is nice to everyone because thats her business. To get all excited over a porn star its like when I was a kid and had a crush on Farrah lol. I cant remember the last time a porn flick did anything for me. Its my work, I was photographing this very hot chick playing with a assortment of toys and know what I was thinking about? What I was going to have at Starbucks when I got done shooting her lol .Go find women in the real world that will have sex with you, so you can sound more like porn professionals instead of customers lol.

03-18-2003, 06:18 PM	#184
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	They all look so similar. Second one from which front? lol

03-18-2003, 06:22 PM	#185
lagwagon Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: az Posts: 8,464	wooohooo i am in this thread!!!!

03-18-2003, 06:47 PM	#187
Niki Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,476	more pics