im a veteran and i personally did not appreciate the sappy troop play at the end. it offended me actually as a veteran. once you serve in the military see how loved you feel when youre out there in the middle of no where fighting for something that you shouldn't be for reasons you shouldn't be.


** Disclaimer**

There is no draft yet! Everyone is a volunteer at this point. Decide wisely. We're due for one.

Well, my wife and I are independents and I it amazes the hell out of me that anyone could be undecided between Obama and McCain. I mean, honestly, how could anyone even consider voting for McCain? I used to respect the old codger, but the moment he started toeing Bush's line, he lost my love. I'm a veteran, but none of that patriotic nonsense works on me - and that's all McCain has.

after watching the debate you can clearly see that Mcain will be another four more years of Bush type policies. you can see he wasn't very interested in talking about economics of our country (or anything else for that matter), but when Iraq and the war was brought up he certainly became interested and started blabbing his mouth. this is exactly what got our economy and the downfall of the US into where we are right now with Bush. Bush ignored everything else going on in the US while his focus was on the war.

Obama's answers at least showed he was looking at running the country while taking into account how his policies would effect the nation as a whole which included the economy, international policies, national security, etc...., and not just focused and that bullshit war.

Obama for President!!!!!!!

American's like "family" values. If he had no one come up, it would feel too much like the man show and women hate that.

They both HAVE to do that. In fact if one of them had a couple kids come up too, it would have been a potential swaying point for a lot of Catholics.

All republicans in public are " independents " or " libertarian " ...

Probably a JUDAS reflex....

agreed. obama was sloppy and i could tell at points he wanted to unplug mccain's oxygen machine.

Fully agreed. McCain twisted and weaseled his way through everything - putting Obama down at every inopportunity...rather than adequately state what 'he' would do.

McCain is an out-of-touch old turd. I don't trust the man as far as I can throw him.

And thus why the country is in the position it is in. Idiocracy is looking like a documentary.

Its more fun to hear Bush say it...

But I am sure we are going to hear that stumble on youtube more than once...

I love that movie!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a registered independent.

OT: I just got a NOD32 virus warning from the first page of this thread. :Oh crap

They both did good, Obama won, pretty much without question. Just because McCain had the upper had in a couple of subjects doesn't mean much when he drops the ball on the economy, iraq and afgan.

What he should have said about Russia was, it isn't our problem. But he did say "if they meat the Nato requirements" which they can't, so they won't get backing of the U.S.

Whats really sad is that what you said is 100% true :2 cents:

Trust me, I know about American politics and why it is done. I just think it is lame and stuck in 1950's where you have to show you are a family, etc. Like what 'dame' is on your arm means anything about what you know about world affairs and I include Hillary in that when it was Bill doing this dance.

Anybody that votes for somebody at all based on who comes on the stage to hug them afterwards is a twit.

sad but true.

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you got that right.

The sad part is he doesn't need the support of real veterans like you guys. He just needs to convince middle America he "loves" you more than Obama.

BUSH: "Safer but not yet safe"
MCCAIN:"We are safer then we were, but still not safe"

MAVERICK !

yeah, we've done such a great job so far.... i think 75% of our troops are on some type of anti anxiety or anti depression meds...

our troops are only good to this country when they are fighting... once they come back, they are forgotten..

i am sick and tired of these politicians going to safe zones in iraq or afghanistan with a ton of security and then act like they are some heroes for going there...

fuck off.... you want to impress me, go into the war zone for 24 hours and see what the troops see day in and day out and then come back and tell me we need to stay in iraq for another 5 years...

Your so fucking stupid. He stumbled with the name and got it right but so did Mccain. You sound like a blind neo con republican by grabbing the least important thing and trying make a big deal out of it. I hope Obama wins just because it will make you unhappy. You have no biz talking with adults let alone adult webmasters.

To be fair I don't think she was making a big deal out of it. She was responding to something I commented on.

If you do think someone is blind... try to help them see. Dismissing those we don't agree with is the sure path to destruction.

YOU just said it, he stumbled the name. He should not have brought that up if he coul not remember the name. He was talking about a dead soldier. People will remember that he forgot the name. That is important to a lot of people who have relatives that died in the war or have family members there. Plenty of people vote with their heart.

On this forum there are very few adults to talk with. Most of you act like you are 10 when you are on here.

I wasn't making a big deal out if it. You are correct that I was responding to what you said. Some people on here need to read a whole lot better. :2 cents:

Jane can you change your avatar please... I'm sure you got something better then that :winkwink:

Okay, I'm done. I was watching off recording as I got started late.

My overall feeling is that Obama did a better job.

Something that struck me was that while I heard Obama agree with some points that McCain made, or acknowledge his efforts like with the bit about tortured prisoners.

I may have missed it, but I heard nothing of the same from McCain. All I heard him saying was how Obama didn't understand this or that.

Up until now, I've bee a life long Republican, but I have more respect for someone who can openly admit when an adversary has a point, or has done something right, than someone who can only point out what is 'wrong' about the other.

McCain does not support Veterans, he has voted against several major vet issues. I am a member of the American Legion, my Dad has been the Commander, the state command, and many other office positions.

McCain and supporting Veterans is a total lie, a joke, and can be disproved over and over and over again. Just because you jump in a few key things that everyone supports, doesn't mean you actually back total support for them.

I'm not saying Obama does, but saying McCain does is just a fucking lie.

I'm a Vet that has fought for 10 years for my medical benefits that I am with out question in titled to. I live in Arizona, where is McCain for the Vets in his state?

yeah, that picture makes you look like a tranny...

thank you. you're right. as a veteran i educate myself on anything to do with veterans as well, he uses that pow shit and his military service as a tool. we are not stupid. glad to see there are others.

right

and mccain was so smooth pronouncing the president of irans name

No big upset or shining star, but IMO Obama came out on top overall. A very narrow 'victory' if one can call it that, but McCain was supposed to win on this topic and and setting.

I think it was a slight victory for Obama. To me the both made good points and showed there is a clear difference between them on some issues with will help some people decide who they will vote for. I give it to Obama simply because he seemed more calm and collected and everyone expected McCain to do well because this was supposed to be his strong suit. Obama, by holding his own and doing well himself, stole the victory by a slight margin.

Still I don't think it will really matter much. In a few weeks when they debate on the economy that will be the one people will pay attention to and remember as election day comes up. The public has a short memory so the last thing they hear tends to be what they take to the polls wit them. In a few weeks we will now more about the bailout and how it affects us and we will hear what they plan to do. You can tell Obama is taking every chance he can to align McCain with Bush. If he can do that it will hurt McCain immensely.

slight victory to obama in all honesty. i've been fucking with him all night, but i honestly think mccain didnt do as well. he let obama get to him more than he got to obama.

he attacked and people saw him as defensive.

Yeah I will get around to changing it. I like to change them occasionally.

Tranny's wish they had natural tits like mine. :2 cents:

It was kind of sad to see how casual both the guys handled the economic questions. I mean we are in a real shithole right now and they acted like some tax cuts and a little regulation would fix it. No one gave a concise answer on the bailout, probably one of the biggest policy decisions we've made in half a decade.

I think Obama won, but he missed some opportunities when he could have and should have knocked McCain out.

although i disagree with most of your posts, you do have nice tits... :thumbsup

Cool so let's do it then.

Change it to a nice cool pic of your dick sucking lips.

Can you do this for me Jane?