WarChild

You are as likely to be given a pot of gold by a Lepprechaun as you are to have your life changed by Karma.

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perhaps, but there is more to this universe and existence than just the 100 odd years or less that we are on this planet

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Or, we are simply biological machines with no knowledge of what came before us or what will come after we've gone.

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Halcyon

Karma, from my understanding, is a bit more complex than what you see on "My Name Is Earl."

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StuartD

There's more to the universe than us humans??
no way!!

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WarChild

I wonder if they'll be ammending the Standard Model soon to include the Karmatron particle?

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Sly

I feel that being a person that strives for something like a "Karma" puts you in situations where you will be better prepared for good things. It's kind of like luck... it doesn't really exist, but if you prepare and put yourself in good situations... it may seem like you have good luck because good things happen to you due to your preparedness.

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karma only exists as far as one's own conscious.

i.e. if you feel guilty for something you have done, that plays a part in your life decisions and actions

the universe does not apply karma, if it did there would be a lot a people getting fucked by karma but they are not.

WarChild

And Never-Never Land is a bit more complicated than you saw in the movie Peter Pan. Doesn't make it anymore real though, does it?

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k0nr4d

I believe in Karma, but I also constantly have bad shit happen to me. Thus, I believe Im a few karma points in the green right now. I have to be an asshole at times to keep the universe in balance

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don't say that it's bad karma

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Karma i sosmething you can't eat but make shit of you

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Halcyon

Perhaps. But I think even fictional concepts can be helpful in understanding things that are beyond comprehension.

A concept like Karma helps to explain something science cannot explain.

Why do some people have good luck. And others always suffer from Murphy's law? Not saying it is karma, but I believe there are forces at work beyond existing scientific "truth."

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BradM

The word itself has no meaning. There's no mystical force around the idea of Karma.

But fact remains, if you are a positive person who surrounds himself with positiveness etc you will see more reward than someone who kills people for a living.



Just kidding - chaos theory lives on. That person could die of cancer the same as the killer. There's no karma, there's no god, there is only chaos.

WarChild

A concept like Karma helps to explai something science cannot yet explain.

I bet the first people looking at the Northern Lights thought they were seeing a miracle sent by God himself. Now we can explain that with science, however.

I don't discount the existance of forces we can not see and don't fully understand, like Gravity for example. What I am however mocking his human beings making up little stories around these forces.

To say that something you do now, today, in this life MAY have some POSSIBLE affect on future events, sure. Possibly.

Running around saying things like "Don't worry, Karma will take care of him!" is utter foolishness.

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the one fact about karma you need to know, there is no such thing.

karma comes from religion, as an atheist, its silly to believe in this voodoo crap

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do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

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MetaMan

i dont really believe in a mystical force.

but i def. believe that when you do good actions there is more likely good to come back to you.

like if you help out a good person they will in return help you out in your time of need.

if you are a piece of shit and screw over people there are more people out to get you so you have more of a chance of being burned.

cherrylula

Abandoning the concept of Karma itself can be life changing.

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What goes around comes around.

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considering how the universe is constructed its not such a far fetched idea after all is it?

Tanker

your fact might be right but I still try and do good by the people I associate with and those I don't

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"Give blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom -- with compound interest liberally added thereunto! Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred-fold! Make yourself a Terror to your adversary, and when he goeth his way, he will possess much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all the walks of life, and your spirit -- your immortal spirit -- shall live, not in some intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinews of those whose respect you have gained."

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MaDalton

if Karma really exists, a lot of people on here are seriously fucked...

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bhutocracy

Whoa Nelly! Next you'll be saying astrology isn't true and homeopathy doesn't work.. Stop with the craziness already or i'll stab this Warchild voodoo doll.....

tranza

I'd prefer meeting the Lepprechaun!!

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BlackCrayon

Karma, as nice as it sounds its just the sound of ones conciousness. We want to feel we'll be rewarded for the good we do in life, and conversely be punished when we do wrong. Even though, we would rather see others who have done "way worse" things get punished, if you blame karma on something that went wrong in your life, you did something that caused some kind of moral dilemma within you.

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Pleasurepays

was seeing this girl recently who couldn't stop talking about things happening for a reason, about fate, destiny etc.

it didn't take too long to realize she was basically bi-polar and it was these ideas that gave her comfort and relieved her of any sense or personal accountability for her outbursts and erratic behavior and ironically, these ideas were basically enabling her behavior.

anyone that starts relying on the notion that things in their life are "happening for a reason" or that its "destiny" and all that kind of crap have issues and are simply unable to man up and accept the challenges that life has to offer and have the strength to take control of and fully manage their lives.

dozey

Cause and effect. You're not immune.

czarina

you actually dont need to live any more lives for Karma to come and get you. It happens to everybody... you screw other people, life's gonna get you. This time around.

dozey

Where "Karma" = The repercussions of your actions. Why do we need a mystical word for that?

bhutocracy

Well it's all about perception, not getting caught and not increasing the background levels of drama to the point where it could affect you in an indirect way isn't it.

You could crap on your the next suburb's lawns every morning and have it blamed on stray dogs, cupcake invalids and the dementia ward of the old folks home, shoot the orphanage kids with an air-rifle every tuesday while your wife thinks you're out bowling, put a pin through your ex flatmate's wallet condom on a chance meeting through a mutual friend where he passes you his wallet to pay for his round of drinks because he's too drunk and he fathers an alcohol affected baby, wipe your cold sores over your customer's straws before you pass them out the drive through window, drown one of the next surburbs neighbourhood cats once a week with your bare hands after letting it come up for air and think it's going to live as well as painting smiley faces in blood on the doors of parent's houses of random kids you didn't like.. and as long as know one know's it's you and you're sufficiently removed from your trail of destruction there's no cause and effect that affects you. There is cause and effect.. sure cupcaking dementia patients might put an extra inch on the annual rainfall of the amazon rainforest basin as part of chaos theory but there's nothing that needs to take it back to you in some negative way.. Hell all that time spent in the old folk's home and you'll look like a caring guy to some nurse and pick up a hot date as well as have one of the oldies mistake you for their child and sign over their life savings to you.

It's only negative cause and effect when you fuck someone out of money and they glass you in a pub or you fuck someone's wife, she rats on you and the husband takes a baseball bat to you. Thats not karma.. thats just commonsense repercussions for your actions.. Repercussions people like to call karma. There is no force tallying up a balance sheet of rights and wrongs and trying to make them balance out. That should be so incredibly obvious.

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TheDoc

The idea of Karma, in the way you people are talking about it is wrong. Karma isn't kicking a wall get hit with a door an hour later.

Karma is about life altering events. It gets put into the above category because Choice, is a factor in Karma.

You could be watching TV, a real mans man. And one day you see a news cast, and you start breaking down and crying, no idea why but today you feel sad about what you saw. You try to fight it, but you can't.

That's Karma - It's not good or bad, that is only how 'you' take it. Karma in this case would turn a man with little to no emotions/love into something that can finally see more good than bad. A life changing event, that started off from watching tv.

Other Karma events are ones that draw upon your material thinking. As an example, you have a special car, you love this "thing", you take care of it better than your family, like many people do when it comes to personal items. So one day, your car gets stolen, house broken into, your shit is stolen. Sometimes - it just happens, others - it's about changing your way of thinking.

For me, I was always a car guy, show cars, hot rods, I had lots of toys and lots of money to blow on them. Then one day, alarm set, in my drive way, my show truck was stolen by professionals.

A very short period after that I lost all connection with material things. The Karma event wasn't the truck getting stolen, it wasn't that they stripped it and yet still gave the truck back (they put junk on it, made it drivable, and parked it down the road from my house)

It was the life lesson, that material items are nothing, aren't even worth .00001% of your emotions, the lesson was - my family/friends/people are real, are here, the are worth all my attention and love, these can be truly taken away from me, not some stupid truck that can be replaced.

Karma isn't a instant thing, not a cause and effect thing, it's life changing events that could be good or bad, either way - the things of life that mold you to the person you are today, is Karmic events.

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the philosphy behind karma is entirely a cause and effect rationale

The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala.

the "law" of karma states-

All living creatures are responsible for their karma ? their actions and the effects of their actions ? and for their release from samsara. The concept can be traced back to the early Upanishads.

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it seems to me what thedoc is referring to is more along the lines of an epiphany.

borked

A helluva lot of words to try to explain that Carma is crap.

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I said above Karma was effected by Personal choice, ie: actions.

But that is the basic concept of Karma. The use of Epiphany would related to the upper level understanding of Karma and not the material-human attachment to try to understand what Karma is.

We, humans, mostly Christians, attach Karma to the now, this reality, this waking experience we are having. We know if we punch someone in the face, we will get punched back. Is that Karma? No... Not at all. The Karma was the "instant" second you made the choice to do it.

Pretty much every other belief system attaches karma to the soul level, and they almost all define Karma as the "action", which creates cause and effect on the physical level.

The effect of the choice isn't the punch or punch back, but the upper level intent of the thought. Maybe the man that punched was full of fear, never had a fight - so he needed this life changing event to happen. The Karma wasn't the result of him getting his ass kicked from stupid choice.

The guy could have dealt with his fears differently, but he made the choice to deal with it this way.

The Karma wasn't the result of the fight, win or lose, it was the action of the choice, the reason, the intent, the soul/mind altering upper level changed that resulted from that action, is the Karma. Now maybe, this guy can talk to girls, get a lady, have a family and lead a normal life... who knows, maybe it changed him to be a killer, to lust after more blood.

The result of the action on how it changes your entire life is the Karma, not the cause and effect of at the physical level from the Choices you make.

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WarChild

Every single day I have to surpress the urge to do harm to people that are either in my way, pestering me or I just find annoying. Violence is always an option and the slightest little provacation can get somebody smacked around.

Can I blame me being a dick on Karma??? Is it possible I am the long arm of Karma? COuld it be my destiny to deliver beatings to those who are most in need?

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i see your point better now, thanks for putting it another way. many people do not look at *action* from that level.

i do think we see this the same way, as in my post #5 or 6, just stating it differently.

DWB

I have to agree with this.

As much as I would like to believe in some higher power who is in control running things, it simply is not true. There is not God in the biblical sense and there is not a case of the Universe getting back at some worthless speck of a human for some wrong doing he or she did to another worthless speck that means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things.

On a grand scale Humans are smaller than the smallest baby piss ant you find in your yard. The only thing that matters is your own conscious for how you treat or love others and how you walk through your very short life.

In 1000 years nobody is going to know any of our names or anything any of us have done. That means that you have TODAY to say what you need to say or do what you want to do. Tomorrow may not come. Karma is not going to come after you. You will not end up in Heaven or Hell based on your pathetic actions and short time on earth. Just live your life the best and to the fullest you can and enjoy what time you do have here. If you can love and be loved along the way, that is great. If not, don't worry, your life will be over soon and you will be forgotten about anyway. You are no more or less special than the bugs in your back yard that you kill.

WarChild

Kara Thrace and her special destiny!

All of this has happened before and it will happen again.

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