Originally Posted by TheDoc

I said above Karma was effected by Personal choice, ie: actions.

But that is the basic concept of Karma. The use of Epiphany would related to the upper level understanding of Karma and not the material-human attachment to try to understand what Karma is.

We, humans, mostly Christians, attach Karma to the now, this reality, this waking experience we are having. We know if we punch someone in the face, we will get punched back. Is that Karma? No... Not at all. The Karma was the "instant" second you made the choice to do it.

Pretty much every other belief system attaches karma to the soul level, and they almost all define Karma as the "action", which creates cause and effect on the physical level.

The effect of the choice isn't the punch or punch back, but the upper level intent of the thought. Maybe the man that punched was full of fear, never had a fight - so he needed this life changing event to happen. The Karma wasn't the result of him getting his ass kicked from stupid choice.

The guy could have dealt with his fears differently, but he made the choice to deal with it this way.

The Karma wasn't the result of the fight, win or lose, it was the action of the choice, the reason, the intent, the soul/mind altering upper level changed that resulted from that action, is the Karma. Now maybe, this guy can talk to girls, get a lady, have a family and lead a normal life... who knows, maybe it changed him to be a killer, to lust after more blood.

The result of the action on how it changes your entire life is the Karma, not the cause and effect of at the physical level from the Choices you make.