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Old 10-31-2002, 08:56 PM   #101
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Well now you're giving me andecdotal evidence

Where can I see the interview with the cameraman? Sounds interesting.



"Be that as it may, on Dateline Edward was actually caught in an attempt to pass off previously gained knowledge as spirit revelation. During the session he said of the spirits, "They're telling me to acknowledge Anthony," and when the cameraman signaled that was his name, Edward seemed surprised, asking "That's you? Really?" He further queried: "Had you not seen Dad before he passed? Had you either been away or been distanced?" Later, playing the taped segment for me, Dateline reporter John Hockenberry challenged me with Edward's apparent hit: "He got Anthony. That's pretty good." I agreed but added, "We've seen mediums who mill about before sessions and greet people and chat with them and pick up things."
Indeed, it turned out that that is just what Edward had done. Hours before the group reading, Tony had been the cameraman on another Edward shoot (recording him at his hobby, ballroom dancing). Significantly, the two men had chatted and Edward had obtained useful bits of information that he afterward pretended had come from the spirits. In a follow-up interview Hockenberry revealed the fact and grilled an evasive Edward:


HOCKENBERRY: So were you aware that his dad had died before you did his reading?
Mr. EDWARD: I think he-I think earlier in the-in the day, he had said something.

HOCKENBERRY: It makes me feel like, you know, that that's fairly significant. I mean, you knew that he had a dead relative and you knew it was the dad.

Mr. EDWARD: OK.

HOCKENBERRY: So that's not some energy coming through, that's something you knew going in. You knew his name was Tony and you knew that his dad had died and you knew that he was in the room, right? That gets you . . .

Mr. EDWARD: That's a whole lot of thinking you got me doing, then. Like I said, I react to what's coming through, what I see, hear and feel. I interpret what I'm seeing hearing and feeling, and I define it. He raised his hand, it made sense for him. Great.

HOCKENBERRY: But a cynic would look at that and go, 'Hey,' you know, 'He knows it's the cameraman, he knows it's DATELINE. You know, wouldn't that be impressive if he can get the cameraman to cry?'

Mr. EDWARD: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not at all.


But try to weasel out of it as he might, Edward had obviously been caught cheating: pretending that information he had gleaned earlier had just been revealed by spirits and feigning surprise that it applied to Tony the cameraman. (And that occurred long before Time had suggested that an Inside Edition program-February 27, 2001-was probably "the first nationally televised show to take a look at the Edward phenomenon." That honor instead goes to Dateline NBC.) "
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Old 10-31-2002, 08:57 PM   #102
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Even so, as has been pointed out, for a guy who supposedly has a pipeline to the other realm, he asks a lot more questions than he answers, when he guesses wrong, he never says, "Oops, I fucked up!" he says, "We'll come back to that later," or later on when something seems to fit, he fits it in (how handy!).
Maybe you should watch the show. They do recaps and things and he very often says things like "while she couldn't figure out what the ___ reference meant, she did know what I was talking about when I said ___ "

He talks in his first book quite a bit about how he can mess up readings. I don't understand how so many of you guys make these statements about how he doesn't do things just because you haven't seen it yet.
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Old 10-31-2002, 09:04 PM   #103
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"Be that as it may, on Dateline Edward was actually caught in an attempt to pass off previously gained knowledge ...... "
Thanks for posting that. It's interesting, and the best thing so far I've seen to dispute the hundreds of readings that I believe seemed accurate. Does one scew up, or perhaps misleading reading prove that all of his other readings are false? Does that mean he had skillfully had conversations before his shows and massive seminars with the thousands upon thousands of people he has read? Maybe, but I find that unlikely. Something about picturing a room full of 2000 people and John doing a 4 hour seminar with many, many readings, and that he's skillfully talked to all of them beforehand individually...I don't know man.
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Old 10-31-2002, 09:23 PM   #104
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Maybe you should watch the show. They do recaps and things and he very often says things like "while she couldn't figure out what the ___ reference meant, she did know what I was talking about when I said ___ "

He talks in his first book quite a bit about how he can mess up readings. I don't understand how so many of you guys make these statements about how he doesn't do things just because you haven't seen it yet.
I have seen it, but since it's on television, there's no reason to think it's any different from any other made for TV show, with a script, actors, etc.
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Old 10-31-2002, 10:15 PM   #105
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if John Edwards was realy psychic...than maybe he should have told his webmaster that his website certificate had expired...cuz when I took the call last week...I laughed my ass off...

I'm thinking..."damn...if Mr. Edwards was for 'real'...his webmaster wouldn't be calling in yelling "our certificate has expired and this is such a high volume website..." and 'blah blah blah'..."
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Old 11-01-2002, 04:20 AM   #106
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Maybe the best way is to just go to one of these shows and see for your self. I bet you would change your mind after really going to a real physic like Sylvia Browne. And John Edwards has been tested over and over enen by skeptics at several universities knowone has been able to prove him as a fake. He hit on shit noone would know. But for each is there own I belive in physics but very few of them exist most are frauds.
It's difficult to take your statement seriously when you apparently can't spell ...

It's psychic ... not physic ... (among other errors)

I rest my case ... LOL
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Old 11-01-2002, 04:30 AM   #107
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Interesting fact:

The vast majority of psychic customers (about 80 percent) are women ...

Men tend to be much more skeptical ...
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Old 11-01-2002, 06:32 AM   #108
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He talks in his first book quite a bit about how he can mess up readings. I don't understand how so many of you guys make these statements about how he doesn't do things just because you haven't seen it yet.
Whoa dude - 3 pages you and you are still saying this naive stuff LOL

psychics are all bullshit! It's cold reading etc.

You probably think David Blaine's magic is real too...

Pyshcics, magic, tarot cards are all bullshit - just ways to get money from people - or entertainment.

The funniest thing is to see those crack whore looking bitches sitting in some fucking dump all day waiting for some naive loser to walk in and fork over $20 to have some sunshine blown up his ass by some old hag with an IQ of 20. Yup, these people have natural physcic gifts - they KNOW they are broke ass fake gypsy looking dough-heads.
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Old 11-01-2002, 08:18 AM   #109
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Until someone close to you passes over and weird shit starts happening that you can't explain, it is hard to conceive and believe in the afterlife.

My father died in 87 and all I can say is my mother, brother, sister and myself, and several relatives all had separate multiple bizarre "afterlife" type incidents with my dad happen for about 6 months, and after we all got together and compared notes, we couldn't find any other explaination for any of them, except that there was some sort of contact going on with him.

As you get older and more people you have deep soul type bonds with in your life start to die is when you become a believer. Trust me, there is something going on in the afterlife, but it obviously is not something to be easily understood.

I did a lot of research on this subject after my dad's death, and asked other friends who had gone through a strong bond type of loss and most everyone had some kind of contact experience they couldn't explain.

My take on it all is that when you die, your physical body is history. The energy force that is your soul doesn't die, but basically transforms and moves on into some other higher frequency dimension not visible to us on the earthly plane. I base that on Einsteins principal concept that energy itself can not be destroyed only transformed. There is some kind of energy force within each of us, that's a given. So it would make sense that the human body is just a temporary house so to speak for this energy during each lifetime.

Seems too when people die suddenly there are a lot more afterlife events that their relatives here experience. Its like the soul doesn't easily realize it no longer has that body housing it.

The thing with the "light" might be just some central universal lifeforce that we all basically are tied and hubbed into. There's been a lot of scientific research recently though that says this is just a trick of the mind, easing itself through the process of death with a massive brain release of endorphins as the body reacts to everything shutting down. Who knows, that's the irony of life. We'll all find out one day what really happens when you die.

Hopefully, there is continuity in some form or another and we do get to hook up with souls we've bonded to in prior lives and are able to connect to those we love and care for still in this dimension.
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Old 11-01-2002, 08:28 AM   #110
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One more note on psychics, I agree all the 900 number psychics are for the most part a bunch of bs. But I think there are some genuine people who simple have the ability to tune in to other people's thought frequencies and can pickup on that.

Can't really poo poo the whole realm of psychic abilities since even the CIA and former KGB intelligence services both operated clandescent programs utilizing individuals that could remote scan locations to gather intel. These readers supposedly could tap their minds into an ultra high level of thought dimension that enabled them to literally mentally pierce into any building where top secret information was and then view things in these locations in realtime.
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Old 11-01-2002, 12:29 PM   #111
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Whoa dude - 3 pages you and you are still saying this naive stuff LOL

What exactly is "naive" about me saying I find it annoying when you say John doesn't talk about his negative hits, and then I tell you that he does talk about them. Do you even read what I post any more, or just make a canned response? It makes no sense.

"John never talks about his guesses that don't work"

"Actually he does quite a bit. Try watching the show or reading his book"

"HAHAHAH what a naive thing to say!!"

Huh?
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