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Juge · 10-28-2002, 12:43 PM

What is the annual revenue of the entire adult industry?

Serge_Oprano · 10-28-2002, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Juge
What is the annual revenue of the entire adult industry?

enough to buy2,723,110 masoleums

GregP · 10-28-2002, 12:45 PM

Enough to sell my soul for

Juge · 10-28-2002, 12:48 PM

Let me guess... I'll get 18 more witty replies before a serious one comes along.

BJ · 10-28-2002, 12:50 PM

I heard it was like 2% of the total credit card biz but I could be wrong

Juge · 10-28-2002, 12:54 PM

I heard it was $240 million, but it sounds low to me. I've done some quick searches, and they say from $750m-$1b, to $10b. I think different estimates sometimes are for specific niches like videos alone, or just websites.

I'd like to get a grand total.

multisexsite · 10-28-2002, 12:55 PM

Theres no real way to tell, with many companies being overseas or trying to hide income for tax purposes.

Juge · 10-28-2002, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by multisexsite
Theres no real way to tell, with many companies being overseas or trying to hide income for tax purposes.

That's true, but I'd like some real estimates from people who know what they are talking about. I don't mean directly from people on this board, but I would like to be pointed to a source of information that is reliable.

bushwacker · 10-28-2002, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Juge
What is the annual revenue of the entire adult industry?

why?

Funkito · 10-28-2002, 01:03 PM

You would need a degree from the London School of Economics to figure it out. I've never found good figures on it. There's a ton of porn categories as well. Good question. Good luck on an answer though. No one knows.

Round the US population down to 250 million. If porn consumption is an average of 20 bucks per person annually, you're looking at 5 billion--minimum. I think it's much more and growing. Worldwide it's gotta be more.

Mr.Fiction · 10-28-2002, 01:23 PM

Not enough.

Fletch XXX · 10-28-2002, 01:24 PM

nice.

Juge · 10-28-2002, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by bushwacker
why?

I want to know what my limit of income is.

Juge · 10-28-2002, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Funkito
You would need a degree from the London School of Economics to figure it out. I've never found good figures on it. There's a ton of porn categories as well. Good question. Good luck on an answer though. No one knows.

Round the US population down to 250 million. If porn consumption is an average of 20 bucks per person annually, you're looking at 5 billion--minimum. I think it's much more and growing. Worldwide it's gotta be more.

Yes, there are tons of categories. Perhaps we can get some more accurate answers if we specifically look at each category. I guess it depends on how specific you want to get. How about just online porn from websites, since that's mostly what we are into.

Do you really think the average is $20/person/year? Remember the US population is not all over 18 years of age. I doubt 6 year olds are spending $20/year on playboy mags.

Voodoo · 10-28-2002, 01:33 PM

Last I heard, it was upwards of $15,000,000,000.00. That is for the entire adult industry. Movie theaters, toy stores, websites, videos, etc...

Not sure though. That was a few years back.

SR · 10-28-2002, 01:37 PM

I heard that it was 6 billion in 2000
That was just the USA
I think it included all and not just the internet adult biz

EscortBiz · 10-28-2002, 01:41 PM

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Juge · 10-28-2002, 01:45 PM

I've heard total yearly income in the US was from $5b to $10b, so I guess it is somewhat consistent with what you guys are saying.

Anybody have the sources to their information? Information by itself means nothing unless the source is known.

TFCash · 10-28-2002, 01:53 PM

These guys say $230 million for 2001 and will grow to 400 million by 2006

http://www.emarketer.com/news/articl...1001718&ref=ed

They don't give source info though so it's hard to tell what they are lumping in the online sales, if it is just membership sales or includes hard goods ??? If it is just membership dues, then we would be looking at around 770,000 monthly memberships at $25 per month

Tim

hershie · 10-28-2002, 01:55 PM

there was some recent discussion of this here:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=82789

pornjudge · 10-28-2002, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Juge
What is the annual revenue of the entire adult industry?

Its not your fuckin business how much I make

Juge · 10-28-2002, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by hardcorehosting
These guys say $230 million for 2001 and will grow to 400 million by 2006

http://www.emarketer.com/news/articl...1001718&ref=ed

They don't give source info though so it's hard to tell what they are lumping in the online sales, if it is just membership sales or includes hard goods ??? If it is just membership dues, then we would be looking at around 770,000 monthly memberships at $25 per month

Tim

Thanks, Tim. For once, a source is posted.

Seems low to me... it is just for online and in the US, but still.

Juge · 10-28-2002, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by hershie
there was some recent discussion of this here:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=82789

Thanks, but they didn't say too much...

Juge · 10-28-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by pornjudge
Its not your fuckin business how much I make

Damn straight it is! Don't you know that after you're rich you have to no privacy rights anymore?!

clickpimp · 10-28-2002, 02:20 PM

I heard the $10B number a few years back. And it ain't 10 dudes spending a billion a piece ...

NetRodent · 10-28-2002, 02:55 PM

Make of these what you will. 10 Billion is an often quoted number, but they're vague about how that number was determined.

http://www.thestandard.com/article/d...,19696,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1986869.stm
http://www.commentwire.com/commwire_...ntwire_ID=1108
http://europe.cnn.com/2001/TECH/comp.../sidebar.ashe/
http://www.idgnet.com/idgns/1999/05/...InEurope.shtml
http://www.cwfa.org/library/pornogra...n-nation.shtml

Chris R · 10-28-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Juge
Thanks, Tim. For once, a source is posted.

Seems low to me... it is just for online and in the US, but still.

I agree - this must be low - I think we are looking at at least three times that.

Mutt · 10-28-2002, 05:28 PM

There has been a big debate on this topic since Frank Rich wrote a piece in the New York Times about two years ago and pegged the entire world wide porn industry at something like 14 Billion dollars. Total nonsense, way too high.

Forbes I believe took a shot at tearing apart Rich's estimates. I think they estimated the porn biz at maybe a billion per year.

Go do a search on the Forbe's and Rich articles. The Forbes one was good.

I wish that fucking pathetic pamphlet AVN and AVNOnline would do some real journalism. It is NOT hard to figure out how much money annually is made on the Net. There may be thousands of websites out there but only a HANDFULL of billing companies processing the payments. Add up the amount of money processed annually by IBILL, CCBILL, JETTIS, et al and then add maybe another 10%(probably high these days considering less big players have their own merchants) to work in those who
manage their own merchant accounts and processing.

Google: search 'Forbes' 'porn industry' 'Frank Rich porn industry'

should get you something.

Mutt · 10-28-2002, 05:37 PM

Here's the Forbe's article "How Big Is Porn?"

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html

good stuff.

Madball · 10-28-2002, 06:18 PM

C'mon this is a great market sizing case study. All those Harvard Business School dropouts that made their carreers in online porn, let's hear it!

StudioX · 10-28-2002, 06:29 PM

2% of my weekly income

jimmyf · 10-28-2002, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Here's the Forbe's article "How Big Is Porn?"

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html

good stuff.

http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/sswhitep.htm

Lexxx · 10-28-2002, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by StudioX
2% of my weekly income

Nope... it's 2% of my annual income...

Lexxx
VISA Corp.
Chairman & CEO

andrew1009 · 10-28-2002, 10:05 PM

the ENTIRE adult industry is 4 billion in the U.S. alone. Jenny Jones did a show on it once. Heard the same thing from other sources as well. 28% of all online transacations are also adult related.

Juge · 10-29-2002, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by NetRodent
Make of these what you will. 10 Billion is an often quoted number, but they're vague about how that number was determined.

http://www.thestandard.com/article/d...,19696,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1986869.stm
http://www.commentwire.com/commwire_...ntwire_ID=1108
http://europe.cnn.com/2001/TECH/comp.../sidebar.ashe/
http://www.idgnet.com/idgns/1999/05/...InEurope.shtml
http://www.cwfa.org/library/pornogra...n-nation.shtml

Thanks for the links, Rodent. Someone's doing their homework.

HQ · 10-29-2002, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
Make of these what you will. 10 Billion is an often quoted number, but they're vague about how that number was determined.

http://www.thestandard.com/article/d...,19696,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1986869.stm
http://www.commentwire.com/commwire_...ntwire_ID=1108
http://europe.cnn.com/2001/TECH/comp.../sidebar.ashe/
http://www.idgnet.com/idgns/1999/05/...InEurope.shtml
http://www.cwfa.org/library/pornogra...n-nation.shtml

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html :

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The idea that pornography is a $10 billion business is often credited to a study by Forrester Research. This figure gets repeated over and over. The only problem is that there is no such study. In 1998, Forrester did publish a report on the online "adult content" industry, which it pegged at $750 million to $1 billion in annual revenue. The $10 billion aggregate figure was unsourced and mentioned in passing.

ED · 10-29-2002, 07:04 AM

I heard that 95% of the money made through porn is made on the net... and 95% of the money made on the net is porn.

Firehorse · 10-29-2002, 07:20 AM

Not enough to threaten Bill Gates' ego!

Juge · 10-29-2002, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Firehorse
Not enough to threaten Bill Gates' ego!

Hell, no. But, I'm sure Microsoft is only a few years away from taking over this industry, as well.

Juge · 10-29-2002, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by StudioX
2% of my weekly income

Let's see... carry the 2... I don't believe you.

UnseenWorld · 10-29-2002, 12:00 PM

All I know is that whenever I hear the mainstream press talk about how many adult sites there are, or how much revenue is involved, I almost always fall out of my chair laughing. If you count amateur girl sites and vanity sites of various kinds, there must be 10's of thousands in the US alone...at least. Back when I worked (briefly) for XPics, I remember reading an article that estimated adult online revenues, and from what I knew of XPics' revenues and how much they paid out to webmasters (lots and lots of sites getting thousands of dollars a week, and a few getting 10,'s of thousands), their estimate had to be off by at least one order of magnitude, because even then there was a lot more to the industry than just XPics.

NetBabe · 10-29-2002, 12:03 PM

I've seen from $8 Billion to $11 Billion, but I think we make up a small percentage of the overall VISA pie. It is somewhere in the Trillions, their total business that is.

clickpimp · 10-29-2002, 01:05 PM

don't you folks have some galleries to build or something?

Juge · 10-30-2002, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by clickpimp
don't you folks have some galleries to build or something?

We're just making sure we are getting our fair share of the pie.

HQ · 10-30-2002, 08:52 AM

It's a big fucking pie too.

jqw736145 · 10-30-2002, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

enough to buy2,723,110 masoleums

freak

AbeFroman · 10-30-2002, 09:53 AM

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Juge · 10-30-2002, 02:01 PM

That was enlightening. Thank you.

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Juge Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,917	Let me guess... I'll get 18 more witty replies before a serious one comes along.

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Juge Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,917	I heard it was $240 million, but it sounds low to me. I've done some quick searches, and they say from $750m-$1b, to $10b. I think different estimates sometimes are for specific niches like videos alone, or just websites. I'd like to get a grand total.

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multisexsite Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 929	Theres no real way to tell, with many companies being overseas or trying to hide income for tax purposes.

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Funkito Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 92	You would need a degree from the London School of Economics to figure it out. I've never found good figures on it. There's a ton of porn categories as well. Good question. Good luck on an answer though. No one knows. Round the US population down to 250 million. If porn consumption is an average of 20 bucks per person annually, you're looking at 5 billion--minimum. I think it's much more and growing. Worldwide it's gotta be more.

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Not enough.

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SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	I heard that it was 6 billion in 2000 That was just the USA I think it included all and not just the internet adult biz

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Juge Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,917	I've heard total yearly income in the US was from $5b to $10b, so I guess it is somewhat consistent with what you guys are saying. Anybody have the sources to their information? Information by itself means nothing unless the source is known.

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TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	These guys say $230 million for 2001 and will grow to 400 million by 2006 http://www.emarketer.com/news/articl...1001718&ref=ed They don't give source info though so it's hard to tell what they are lumping in the online sales, if it is just membership sales or includes hard goods ??? If it is just membership dues, then we would be looking at around 770,000 monthly memberships at $25 per month Tim

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hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	there was some recent discussion of this here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=82789

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	There has been a big debate on this topic since Frank Rich wrote a piece in the New York Times about two years ago and pegged the entire world wide porn industry at something like 14 Billion dollars. Total nonsense, way too high. Forbes I believe took a shot at tearing apart Rich's estimates. I think they estimated the porn biz at maybe a billion per year. Go do a search on the Forbe's and Rich articles. The Forbes one was good. I wish that fucking pathetic pamphlet AVN and AVNOnline would do some real journalism. It is NOT hard to figure out how much money annually is made on the Net. There may be thousands of websites out there but only a HANDFULL of billing companies processing the payments. Add up the amount of money processed annually by IBILL, CCBILL, JETTIS, et al and then add maybe another 10%(probably high these days considering less big players have their own merchants) to work in those who manage their own merchant accounts and processing. Google: search 'Forbes' 'porn industry' 'Frank Rich porn industry' should get you something. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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