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tony286 09-07-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721940)
Was Reagan for me. :winkwink:

Just so you know the biggest tax increases during peacetime in the history of this country happened during reagan.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0310290853.asp
national review not a liberal publication

Gouge 09-07-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722017)
A charismatic candidate with radical marxist underpinnings, offering a promise of national salvation and sweeping social change, who inspires a cult-like following of true believers to near-religious zealotry should scare the living hell out of every American.

I concur.

Reminds me of Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14722035)
Just so you know the biggest tax increases during peacetime in the history of this country happened during reagan.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0310290853.asp
national review not a liberal publication

Was that in 2003 that he won the best President in History? :winkwink:

tony286 09-07-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722053)
Was that in 2003 that he won the best President in History? :winkwink:

He won it according to who? He is not greater to this country than thomas jefferson or at least 5 others off of the top of my head not even fucking close. Also what does that have to do with him raising taxes?

marketsmart 09-07-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14721842)
all i can say is whether you are a democrat or republican, can anyone even tell me why they are for a particular candidate and why..

and i mean actually understanding what they are pitching, not parroting everything you heard in the news (tv, radio, print, etc)...

i doubt most if any here cant....

still waiting for people to step up to the plate.... :Oh crap

yes, you especially sticky.... :thumbsup

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14722057)
He won it according to who? He is not greater to this country than thomas jefferson or at least 5 others off of the top of my head not even fucking close. Also what does that have to do with him raising taxes?

It was a nationwide vote, was a 2 or 3 day special they ran on Nbc. Matt Lauer was the host for it. You were only allowed one vote per phone number.

Whats it have to do? It has to do with that apparently people like him a lot, so I guess they just ignored their taxes being raised.. lol

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14722066)
still waiting for people to step up to the plate.... :Oh crap

yes, you especially sticky.... :thumbsup

Going into specifics when discussing politics on gfy? Are you serious. Isn't that like trying to teach a 2 year old advanced meta physics?

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722108)
Going into specifics when discussing politics on gfy? Are you serious. Isn't that like trying to teach a 2 year old advanced meta physics?

so, you dont know why you are voting for mccain?

Gouge 09-07-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14722035)
Just so you know the biggest tax increases during peacetime in the history of this country happened during reagan.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0310290853.asp
national review not a liberal publication

According to the Congressional Budget Commission on Pg.5 OTA U.S. Department of Treasury he didnt raise taxes.

Reagan placed tax policies based on supply-side economics of a critical budget bill, written by Dems. The signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate that was part of the budget bill that was in Congressional limbo for over months.

So whats he going to do not sign the budget bill for the nation? Or move the county forward and release funds. Regan broke the Democrats back for 4 months over the budget bill until it was unanimously agreed upon. Further more the President can't raise or lower taxes. That is a function of the Congress by way of the House Committee on Ways and Means and the Senate Finance Committee, along with the members of both bodies.

On a side note, the bill he signed was a stack of paper about 10 inches in thickness. He displayed it on TV in disgust as a sign of displeasure by what the Democats had become.

You can educate yourself by reading the Supply-Side Tax Cuts Policy Analysis but i doubt anyone will do it, most everyone on here is to lazy to care.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1120&full=1

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14722114)
so, you dont know why you are voting for mccain?

Personally I wouldn't of picked any of the candidates that are up this year. Am I a big McCain fan? No not really. Do I trust Obama to be our president before I would trust McCain? Nope not even close. Regardless of a signal I wouldn't vote for him. He comes off as untrustworthy, and transparent. The majority of Americans will be voting with me imo. But time will tell.

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721791)
That wasn't the point. Kerry is a known proven elitist, so compare McCain to him. Obama isn't as bad as Kerry, but he is much much closer to him than McCain is.

What exactly makes them "elitist"? And isn't it a good thing to have an "elite President". I mean if I'm going into surgery, I'll take the "elite doctor" over the average one.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722129)
Personally I wouldn't of picked any of the candidates that are up this year. Am I a big McCain fan? No not really. Do I trust Obama to be our president before I would trust McCain? Nope not even close. Regardless of a signal I wouldn't vote for him. He comes off as untrustworthy, and transparent. The majority of Americans will be voting with me imo. But time will tell.

thank you... thats a legitimate answer...

so far only you and tony offer up a reason as to why you are voting for a particular candidate thats not based on what the media has told you...

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14721850)
Because FREEDOM has it's price, irregardless of location, all human beings are entitled to it!

Then why aren't you fighting in it? Weird how so many people are passionate about what the war did but not passionate enough to actually enlist. So all human beings are entitled to freedom as long as you don't have to do any of the stuff to make it happen.

spacedog 09-07-2008 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722143)
Then why aren't you fighting in it? Weird how so many people are passionate about what the war did but not passionate enough to actually enlist. So all human beings are entitled to freedom as long as you don't have to do any of the stuff to make it happen.

Pardon me? Know who the fuck your talking to/about before jumping to baseless conclusions.

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722148)
Pardon me? Know who the fuck your talking to/about before jumping to baseless conclusions.

It's a serious question. There are people going on their 3rd and 4th tours. If you've been in the military, why not re-enlist? If not, why not enlist?

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722143)
Then why aren't you fighting in it? Weird how so many people are passionate about what the war did but not passionate enough to actually enlist. So all human beings are entitled to freedom as long as you don't have to do any of the stuff to make it happen.

Thats the weakest argument, and most common.

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722159)
Thats the weakest argument, and most common.

Not really. If you're passionate about the reasons for war, then why not fight in it? You're healthy and would benefit the cause. If I felt the need for war was necessary, I'd enlist immediately.

Guess it's just easier to send poor kids over to die for your cause than to do it yourself.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722166)
Not really. If you're passionate about the reasons for war, then why not fight in it? You're healthy and would benefit the cause. If I felt the need for war was necessary, I'd enlist immediately.

Guess it's just easier to send poor kids over to die for your cause than to do it yourself.

i support the troops, but i do not support the war.. therfore, i would not enlist in any armed service...

if the US was ever invaded, i would be the first to go sign up... :2 cents:

spacedog 09-07-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722154)
It's a serious question. There are people going on their 3rd and 4th tours. If you've been in the military, why not re-enlist? If not, why not enlist?

DOD prohibits the enlistment of any applicant who has more than two dependents under the age of 18. I have three.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722177)
DOD prohibits the enlistment of any applicant who has more than two dependents under the age of 18. I have three.

are you a single parent?

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722177)
DOD prohibits the enlistment of any applicant who has more than two dependents under the age of 18. I have three.

You can easily get a dependency waiver for the Army (Navy and Marines are tougher). Just have to show them a financial plan for your family while you're away (just a budget of where the money will go to). The local recruiter can help you put it together, they do it all the time.

spacedog 09-07-2008 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14722191)
are you a single parent?

I didn't qualify for the waiver based on financial resposibility.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722200)
I didn't qualify for the waiver based on financial resposibility.

well, at least you tried...

chodadog 09-07-2008 11:10 PM

That's great. Question any military action and it means you're disrespecting all the men and women in service? What nonsense.

crockett 09-07-2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14721550)
Where is bin laden he killed 3000 Americans?

ding ding ding.. Sorry but guys that serve in Iraq are a bit too close to the situation to see how much Bush fucked up taking us there. What does that soldier say to the thousands of people who lost family members during 9/11 knowing to this day Bush hasn't done what needed to be done to capture or kill bin Laden.

Matt 26z 09-07-2008 11:49 PM

If he thinks losing his leg was worth giving "freedom" to Iraq, then that's his call.

But it's more likely that he is saying that to psyche himself into believing something great came out of losing his leg. For that reason, he MUST for his own mental stability be a Republican for life.

As soon as he supports Democrats, he believes that he lost his leg for nothing. That's why so many disabled vets and families of the dead are hardcore Republicans. It's all they have left to justify what has happened to them.

spacedog 09-08-2008 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14722310)
..... That's why so many disabled vets and families of the dead are hardcore Republicans. It's all they have left to justify what has happened to them.

How'd you arrive at that conclusion? Perhaps in regards to this particular war, but historically that can not be accurate based on;

WWI -> Wilson (D)
WWII -> FDR (D)
Korea -> Truman (D)
Vietnam -> JFK (D)

badmunchkin 09-08-2008 12:30 AM

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but American soldiers have given 6X more money to the Obama campaign then to McCain. Fact. Look it up.

spacedog 09-08-2008 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin (Post 14722394)
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but American soldiers have given 6X more money to the Obama campaign then to McCain. Fact. Look it up.

Maybe they thought it would get them home faster :1orglaugh

After Shock Media 09-08-2008 12:41 AM

Marketstreet since you keep asking.
I am independent. Never have I voted along any party lines. I typically vote on issues, followed up by what I feel after learning what I can about anyone running. I also firmly believe that small elections at the city/county level are of far greater importance in the long run over national elections. I also suppose this is what makes me not like Palin at all.

I am still split on voting but leaning towards the democrats for this election. Perhaps and a big perhaps if this was the McCain of past who the Republican party, Rove, and Bush totally destroyed. I may have leaned more towards that person. He just got ran the fuck over, changed his policies like underwear, and in the end took it like a bitch from Bush while other Republicans either turned a blind eye or honestly did not fucking care. He ended up a different person after that and has gone buddy buddy with the same people who ass fucked him hard. Hell its hard not to wince when you see him being praised for the very things they fucked him with last time. Either way that man is gone. What we have left is more of a shell of that man who keeps calling himself the Maverick, plus well Palin; that was just a fucking nod to the same old shit.

After Shock Media 09-08-2008 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722398)
Maybe they thought it would get them home faster :1orglaugh

Wouldn't that be a valid move and also a possible outcry that maybe they do not want to fucking be there and are not to keen with this war?

marketsmart 09-08-2008 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14722414)
Marketstreet since you keep asking.
I am independent. Never have I voted along any party lines. I typically vote on issues, followed up by what I feel after learning what I can about anyone running. I also firmly believe that small elections at the city/county level are of far greater importance in the long run over national elections. I also suppose this is what makes me not like Palin at all.

I am still split on voting but leaning towards the democrats for this election. Perhaps and a big perhaps if this was the McCain of past who the Republican party, Rove, and Bush totally destroyed. I may have leaned more towards that person. He just got ran the fuck over, changed his policies like underwear, and in the end took it like a bitch from Bush while other Republicans either turned a blind eye or honestly did not fucking care. He ended up a different person after that and has gone buddy buddy with the same people who ass fucked him hard. Hell its hard not to wince when you see him being praised for the very things they fucked him with last time. Either way that man is gone. What we have left is more of a shell of that man who keeps calling himself the Maverick, plus well Palin; that was just a fucking nod to the same old shit.

thank you.. this is exactly the type of dialogue i was looking for... its easy to repeat what the media tells us, but to actually formulate your own opinion and back it up with an explanation seems rare these days...

Malicious Biz 09-08-2008 03:40 AM

bIraq Hussein Ocommie is a sleeper agent for Al Qaeida

Sausage 09-08-2008 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722017)
A charismatic candidate with radical marxist underpinnings, offering a promise of national salvation and sweeping social change, who inspires a cult-like following of true believers to near-religious zealotry should scare the living hell out of every American.

I couldn't have said it any better myself ;)

Mother-in-law is a huge Obama supporter from Australia and is staying with us this week. She spends 8 hours a day looking up pro Obama websites, and anti Palin blogs and seriously she is an Obama fanatic who never stops talking about him. I mean its ok for non americans to follow the election but this borders on obsession. She spends all day living, breathing, and worshiping Obama and its quite worrying how people can get so obsessed with this guy.

uno 09-08-2008 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyddddd (Post 14721684)
He should be honored for the sacrifices he made while serving in our military. He has earned the right to state his opinions and for your right to state yours as well.

I'm confused as to how this guy serving in Iraq has earned me the right to state my opinion or even saved or upheld any of my rights.

uno 09-08-2008 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721711)
You had me till the Clinton part. lol Republicans would of came out in large droves to vote against her. With Biden it will be medium droves, but not large droves.

We'll see how it goes, but the dems are using the same exact stupid crap they always do. They have a Pres candidate that comes off as an elitist, and doesn't give people that "genuine" feeling. Comes off as fake and transparent. Kind of like eating a hollow marshmallow.

Yeah, if only Obama would clear brush on his ranch and couldn't speak in coherent sentences.

uno 09-08-2008 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721736)
Its your repeated bs about "Fox news" they are conspiring with the republicans.

Actually Scott McLellan backed that one up. :2 cents:

uno 09-08-2008 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz (Post 14722673)
bIraq Hussein Ocommie is a sleeper agent for Al Qaeida

I swear to gawd, you're like a New Yorker cover.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-08-2008 05:12 AM

Just because you signed up for the military...

just because you were the one who got caught....

just because you lost a leg

.............or were a POW


Does not mean you know what is best for America.

Wars kill ....period


They should be avoided at all cost.

This young man is obviously confused, brain washed or lost.

Had I lost a leg for oil .... the last thing I would do is support someone who wants more of the same


THE WAR IN IRAQ HAD ZERO TO DO WITH FREEDOM

iF IT WAS ALL ABOUT FREEDOM YADADADAD BULLSHIT REPUBLICAN RETARD bs.... THEN:

We Would Have Invaded N Korea


Damn republicans are stupid

pocketkangaroo 09-08-2008 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14722414)
Marketstreet since you keep asking.
I am independent. Never have I voted along any party lines. I typically vote on issues, followed up by what I feel after learning what I can about anyone running. I also firmly believe that small elections at the city/county level are of far greater importance in the long run over national elections. I also suppose this is what makes me not like Palin at all.

I am still split on voting but leaning towards the democrats for this election. Perhaps and a big perhaps if this was the McCain of past who the Republican party, Rove, and Bush totally destroyed. I may have leaned more towards that person. He just got ran the fuck over, changed his policies like underwear, and in the end took it like a bitch from Bush while other Republicans either turned a blind eye or honestly did not fucking care. He ended up a different person after that and has gone buddy buddy with the same people who ass fucked him hard. Hell its hard not to wince when you see him being praised for the very things they fucked him with last time. Either way that man is gone. What we have left is more of a shell of that man who keeps calling himself the Maverick, plus well Palin; that was just a fucking nod to the same old shit.

I hear ya. McCain was awesome in 2000. He would have been the best guy for the country back then. But he's sold his soul now to the party. They own him and they are telling him what to do. He's changed his mind on a lot of issues that I respected him for being independent on. He wanted Lieberman as his VP but was forced to take Palin by the party.

I'm just tired of what has happened over the past 8 years. McCain used to be independent, but now he's just the same shit that we have right now.

DirtyProfits 09-08-2008 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722398)
Maybe they thought it would get them home faster :1orglaugh

What an idiot you are! Laughing at soldiers who want to be back home and with their families. :thumbsup

DirtyProfits 09-08-2008 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14722844)

Damn republicans are stupid

Maybe not stupid but very very ignorant.

notoldschool 09-08-2008 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14722033)
Your such a fucking fake, Soldiers right out of boot can work in S1 for the Army its an Administrative Section, for the USMC its Personnel Office.

If so outline the first 4 chapters of the FMI manual.

S1 - Personnel / Administrative
S2 - Intelligence
S3 - Operations
S4 - Logistics
S5 - Civil Affairs
S6 - Computers/Automation

You are fucking tool. They dont put soldiers in Division S1 right out of Basic training (sorry the term boot camp is not used in the army) except to run mail or do basic data entry. I have and was the NCOIC at almost every level of unit in the ARMY. I would to debate how I am a fake with a GFY troll but just because you can use google doesnt make you some kind of authority on military issues. SO :321GFY

notoldschool 09-08-2008 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722159)
Thats the weakest argument, and most common.

The weakest awnser, and the most common. :)

tehHinjew 09-08-2008 05:57 AM

lol war in another country that was for wmd's were really for the US freedom

you guys = fail

~Ray 09-08-2008 06:04 AM

where you serve while in the military does not determine whether or not you protected freedom for your country. That's with any country... if you served, you served.

JamesK 09-08-2008 08:24 AM

What a load of bullshit propaganda.

DonKon 09-08-2008 08:28 AM

Im sorry to say but I am a vet who was in Iraq (got out last year) and I do not support us being there. I think its bs and we should bring the troops back asap. I'm voting obama. Besides mccain is exactly like bush, a stupid idiot.

The real mccain vid
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Gouge 09-08-2008 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14722893)
You are fucking tool. They dont put soldiers in Division S1 right out of Basic training (sorry the term boot camp is not used in the army) except to run mail or do basic data entry. I have and was the NCOIC at almost every level of unit in the ARMY. I would to debate how I am a fake with a GFY troll but just because you can use google doesnt make you some kind of authority on military issues. SO :321GFY

So that would mean you where a Senior NCO / 1SG and must have been a E-8/E-9 which would have taking you about 18-20.8 years at the least. Judging by the way you conduct your behavior on here its highly doubtable you where a Top Kick/Top Hat.

I also doubt you joined the Army at 17 and by 37 became a E-8/E-9.

So like i said your a fake a phony and a liar, just give up...nothing you say is true. You have got to be one low down scum fuck to lie about Military service.

notoldschool 09-08-2008 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14723599)
So that would mean you where a Senior NCO / 1SG and must have been a E-8/E-9 which would have taking you about 18-20.8 years at the least. Judging by the way you conduct your behavior on here its highly doubtable you where a Top Kick/Top Hat.

I also doubt you joined the Army at 17 and by 37 became a E-8/E-9.

So like i said your a fake a phony and a liar, just give up...nothing you say is true. You have got to be one low down scum fuck to lie about Military service.

LOL...you just keep thinking you know what your talking about...first of all NO E8 or E9 is EVER NOCIC of S1...so stop thinking you know something from reading the interweb. I have held e7 position as an E4 actually building a MLRS S1 from scratch and had E9's begging me to fill their slots with good soldiers. If you knew anything about the military you would know the type of clearence needed to run and S1 and when you read administration under S1 definition dont think all I did was burn paper on a copier. I have ran a TOC in many ground situations as only an E5. Your basically clueless to how the real army works so please stfu.


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