Serious Cross Sale thread. In here.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

The best part of all this is nobody on here really knows how hard is to cancel all these cross sales because even webmasters are afraid to join these sites

BULLSHIT. I join sites I promote all the time just to see for myself. I get emails with links to the same exact support pages as every other member of the site I get x-sold to. It's quick and easy. Your just making up shit. Go join a site and see for yourself. I am assuming of course that you have a credit card.

Oh.....and: FIDDY DUMBASSES THAT DON"T REALLY KNOW HOW XSELLS WORK OR HOW LONG THEY"VE BEEN USED IN MAINSTREAM AND ADULT

[pocketkangaroo]

Personally the industry would make more money long term without the prechecked cross sales. Even if PPS was lowered $5-$10, it would be made up for it in much higher conversion rates.

But the cats out of the bag. Most people know giving a credit card to a porn site is a huge risk. Even if a bunch of sites changed their way of doing things, the public perception is too strong to change. It's a short sighted industry and we are seeing a lot of people bail out of the sinking ship. You are seeing companies buy up other programs, squeeze as much juice out of it as they can, and let it die.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Because I've done plenty of x-sells myself. The emails are sent from the same NATS email form as every other email we send out. AND I have done plenty of test sales with affiliate programs to confirm it for myself. Perhaps if some of these surfers on GFY posing as webmasters has a credit card they would do the same.

So you are saying that after you sent a surfer to a paysites' tour...which means you did your job...and then the paysite itself has such good content and a kick ass tour that THEY get that surfer to not only the first page but the SECOND page of the join (which means that this person has now made the decision to join the site YOU promoted and is now basically becoming a member of that site)...
You're saying that you think we as affiliates should be able to reach our hand out and "share" in the backend profit of the paysite?

Well, I don't. I don't think I have any rights to that money. And I don't think the paysite owner has any rights to make me have to split the cost of a DECLINE if the surfers card doesn't work. Or the extra $55 that the bank will charge the paysite if that surfer does a chargeback.

We don't have to "share" in all those expenses including the processing fee of 6 to 7 dollars a pop. So why the fuck should we "share" in the backend profit?

That's just insane. And yet typical for the drama of this board.

if they advertise a revshare program as 50% of all sales or rebills and I join their program on the revshare terms they set out by themselves, yes, I should be getting the percentage on all sales! Otherwise they don't get my traffic, or at least not as much as they could. There are a couple of programs that do share upsells and xsells. They do very well for me and I put more effort into them.

I don't care if they have a link section in their members area to generate more sales from. They can keep that additional income. But if their main business is to sell other sites because their own site has a great tour but virtually no content the affiliate should participate in this because he was promised a revshare!

I see that this has become a common business model, but I simply don't like to be fooled by programs who do not live up to their promises!

Regarding the emails ... I think if people miss the xsales in the first place they will not know that there is email waiting for them in their inbox, so when they finally check their mail it might be to late to cancel. That aside, many email providers will sort out such emails as spam. Since the consumer does not know where the email is coming from they don't even have a possibility to white list the sender.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

if they advertise a revshare program as 50% of all sales or rebills and I join their program on the revshare terms they set out by themselves, yes, I should be getting the percentage on all sales! Otherwise they don't get my traffic, or at least not as much as they could. There are a couple of programs that do share upsells and xsells. They do very well for me and I put more effort into them.

I don't care if they have a link section in their members area to generate more sales from. They can keep that additional income. But if their main business is to sell other sites because their own site has a great tour but virtually no content the affiliate should participate in this because he was promised a revshare!

I see that this has become a common business model, but I simply don't like to be fooled by programs who do not live up to their promises!

Regarding the emails ... I think if people miss the xsales in the first place they will not know that there is email waiting for them in their inbox, so when they finally check their mail it might be to late to cancel. That aside, many email providers will sort out such emails as spam. Since the consumer does not know where the email is coming from they don't even have a possibility to white list the sender.

Again...when I send traffic to a revshare program I am entitled to revshare what I make for promoting that site. Not what they make on their backend. NO business in this world does that. Not the grocerystore, not car dealerships, not the hardware store, etc. Backend is STRICTLY for the owner.

As for emails....the email is sent simultaneously with the email you get from the host site. So YES, I join a site I get an immediate email from the site I just joined. I am told when I join that I have been sent an email. So I check my email box and HEY, there are TWO emails from sites I just joined. So "yes" they do see them.

Why not just go join one of the paysites you promote that uses pre-checks? That's what I did for dozens of them. Bought a trial membership, cost me a buck. Left the pre-check on, cost me another dollar. Went and canceled them immediately and tested them out.

If you do that and everything works as I said it should...then you know they are good to go.

If anything doesn't work like I'm saying...then simply stop promoting that site. No need for all this fucking drama on here.

These kind of threads are doing nothing but sabotaging our own business.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And I don't think the paysite owner has any rights to make me have to split the cost of a DECLINE if the surfers card doesn't work. Or the extra $55 that the bank will charge the paysite if that surfer does a chargeback.

We don't have to "share" in all those expenses including the processing fee of 6 to 7 dollars a pop. So why the fuck should we "share" in the backend profit?

I would be more than happy to share the charge backs with a good sponsor. I just checked my CCbill stats for the past 2 months and there were 4 charge backs in a nice 4 digit number of transactions. If I send bad traffic to a sponsor I should have this deducted from my earnings as I am partly responsible for this.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Again...when I send traffic to a revshare program I am entitled to revshare what I make for promoting that site. Not what they make on their backend. NO business in this world does that. Not the grocerystore, not car dealerships, not the hardware store, etc. Backend is STRICTLY for the owner.

Looks like I am like that I found a couple of programs that do pay for u/x/psells.

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by Robbie

BULLSHIT. I join sites I promote all the time just to see for myself. I get emails with links to the same exact support pages as every other member of the site I get x-sold to. It's quick and easy. Your just making up shit. Go join a site and see for yourself. I am assuming of course that you have a credit card.

Yes, My mom let me have a credit card. Dude, I've been making a living off the internet for nearly a decade, mainstream and now recently adult, so there's no need to talk to me like some noob. But I can understand why you wouldn't know that because I don't use every thread to boast about how awesome I am and how much money I make like you do. Not sure why you are trying to call me out when I made a pretty accurate statement.

Look, so you join these sites. Good for you. But from the responses on these threads you must be the only one. Because not one person has come on here and said "I joined XYZ site and this or that happened". You would think at least ONE FUCKING PERSON would join and post their experience with all this shit flying around.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I would be more than happy to share the charge backs with a good sponsor. I just checked my CCbill stats for the past 2 months and there were 4 charge backs in a nice 4 digit number of transactions. If I send bad traffic to a sponsor I should have this deducted from my earnings as I am partly responsible for this.

No..you are NOT "sharing" in the chargeback.

You are getting the money deducted that you MADE on that sale when a chargeback occurs. You are NOT "sharing" the biller fee of 6 to 7 dollars (depending on which processor in the cascade) and you are definitely NOT sharing the $55 fee that the bank charges us for every chargeback on TOP of the money lost from the sale being bad.

So when we get a chargeback for claudia-marie.com, I end up eating $34.99 for the sale lost. Plus 55 dollars. For a nice total cost of $89.99 You don't share ANY of that cost.

Nor any of the other costs of business that I have to put out. Hosting, shooting, paying talent, editing, 10 to 12 hours a day of working, legal fees, costs associated with 2257, the list is fucking endless.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Yes, My mom let me have a credit card. Dude, I've been making a living off the internet for nearly a decade, mainstream and now recently adult, so there's no need to talk to me like some noob. But I can understand why you wouldn't know that because I don't use every thread to boast about how awesome I am and how much money I make like you do. Not sure why you are trying to call me out when I made a pretty accurate statement.

Look, so you join these sites. Good for you. But from the responses on these threads you must be the only one. Because not one person has come on here and said "I joined XYZ site and this or that happened". You would think at least ONE FUCKING PERSON would join and post their experience with all this shit flying around.

I apologize for that.

And as for one person posting their experiences...I did. I have joined them. I always have since 1998. I always want to know what I'm promoting. Yes, I already have user/pass to every site that I request it for, but I still like to join on my own. I don't tell the program owner that I'm doing it. I just do it. And "no" I don't use my own affiliate code to test them LOL

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No..you are NOT "sharing" in the chargeback.

You are getting the money deducted that you MADE on that sale when a chargeback occurs. You are NOT "sharing" the biller fee of 6 to 7 dollars (depending on which processor in the cascade) and you are definitely NOT sharing the $55 fee that the bank charges us for every chargeback on TOP of the money lost from the sale being bad.

So when we get a chargeback for claudia-marie.com, I end up eating $34.99 for the sale lost. Plus 55 dollars. For a nice total cost of $89.99 You don't share ANY of that cost.

Nor any of the other costs of business that I have to put out. Hosting, shooting, paying talent, editing, 10 to 12 hours a day of working, legal fees, costs associated with 2257, the list is fucking endless.

You need to start reading posts before you reply. I said I would be more than happy to shoulder my part of a charge back if I would need to! I would also be fine to promote sites on 10% or 20% revshare if the site has quality content and is not over exposed. It could still be killer business! It's up to a program owner to set a payout. Don't ask me why they offer so much for affiliates. They are insane to spend more money on affiliates than on content and backend!

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yep, but most affiliates are like the models. Give them two options:

1. Get a bunch of money today, once, that's it.
2. Get a share and alot more money long term.

They'll always pick 1. They ignore basic maths. It's all about big, catchy numbers.

Try not to lump everyone in to the same basket mmkay? Kthxbye.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

You need to start reading posts before you reply. I said I would be more than happy to shoulder my part of a charge back if I would need to! I would also be fine to promote sites on 10% or 20% revshare if the site has quality content and is not over exposed. It could still be killer business! It's up to a program owner to set a payout. Don't ask me why they offer so much for affiliates. They are insane to spend more money on affiliates than on content and backend!

I was reading. I was responding to this part of your post: "I just checked my CCbill stats for the past 2 months and there were 4 charge backs in a nice 4 digit number of transactions."

I took that to mean that you were thinking you were sharing in a chargeback, and I was trying to point out that you're not.

And I don't think how much we pay affiliates has anything to do with x-sells. I like to make as much money as I possibly can with my work. I try to monetize what I do in every way possible. Don't you? I would use a x-sell whether or not an affiliate was involved or not. Make as much money as I can.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I was reading. I was responding to this part of your post: "I just checked my CCbill stats for the past 2 months and there were 4 charge backs in a nice 4 digit number of transactions."

I took that to mean that you were thinking you were sharing in a chargeback, and I was trying to point out that you're not.

And I don't think how much we pay affiliates has anything to do with x-sells. I like to make as much money as I possibly can with my work. I try to monetize what I do in every way possible. Don't you? I would use a x-sell whether or not an affiliate was involved or not. Make as much money as I can.

I know I am not participating in the chargeback fees, but I would be fine to pay for them. If the programs agree to cover them without asking for a share .... it's their decision, but I would be more than happy to pay my part.

I try to work hard and get a reasonable reward for my efforts. To have happy customers is the most important thing for me. They will come back to me over and over again.