Looking for payment provider options with a couple specific things - GoFuckYourself.com

mike503 · 09-04-2008, 10:52 PM

First, needs to support a site like newbienudes.com.

Second, hopefully it has a worthwhile API that isn't based off something written in 1992 that's busted.

I assume since I've been gone that at least one of the payment providers out there has made working/integrating with their systems easier...

Anyone?

GigoloShawn · 09-04-2008, 10:55 PM

You're being pretty ambiguous; what do you want it to do?

mike503 · 09-04-2008, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GigoloShawn

You're being pretty ambiguous; what do you want it to do?

Be able to accept signups from my own site without having to forward on to some hacked up template page.

Be able to check a user's status periodically.

Verotel "pushes" their changes to you. if your server is down or their script goes wacky, you're fucked. It's happened a lot with a site I host.

CCBill's got a "pull" mechanism but it is VERY limited and it's rate limiting is horribly restrictive.

I have no idea who the main players are anymore, and I'm sure a lot of them have a presence on GFY too. It'd be cool to use Paypal since they've got an API now, but of course they're non-adult and they're shady/suck.

fatfoo · 09-04-2008, 10:59 PM

bump bump

cgu · 09-05-2008, 12:16 AM

hit me up

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cgu

hit me up

via private message on here?

cannot find any other contact info for you and your website is broken. top "contact" link is a dead link, bottom one is a 404: http://billassure.com/contact.html

:P

do you have payment providers to suggest? or are you just looking to sell me your services once i select one?

After Shock Media · 09-05-2008, 01:51 AM

according to his sig he has info at billassure.com
I will leave it broken to protect him from the evil spiders or whatever the fuck people worry about with posting their email addresses.

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

according to his sig he has info at billassure.com
I will leave it broken to protect him from the evil spiders or whatever the fuck people worry about with posting their email addresses.

that's what a [working] contact form is for

After Shock Media · 09-05-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mike503

that's what a [working] contact form is for

Im not endorsing him or his services. Just saw it.

Biller wise I am fairly certain the big ones are still CCbill, Epoch (paycom), Verotel, and well Netbilling but they are not really a biller but a gateway which you need a merchant account.

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Im not endorsing him or his services. Just saw it.

Biller wise I am fairly certain the big ones are still CCbill, Epoch (paycom), Verotel, and well Netbilling but they are not really a biller but a gateway which you need a merchant account.

Damn. That means I already know 50% of them.

Both verotel and ccbill are still using the same slow weird perl-based systems from the looks of it from years ago. epoch seems pretty impressive from their website, but i can't find information about any APIs.

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 02:13 AM

followup: who issues merchant accounts to adult sites? i have one for non-adult business and they were annoying when i signed up and bitching at me recently for going over my "expected monthly business" - like i would never actually grow...

seems like adult with the risk factor and such would be even more of a hassle.

After Shock Media · 09-05-2008, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike503

followup: who issues merchant accounts to adult sites? i have one for non-adult business and they were annoying when i signed up and bitching at me recently for going over my "expected monthly business" - like i would never actually grow...

seems like adult with the risk factor and such would be even more of a hassle.

Contact netbilling they have all of that info. There are others who also supply them but I would ask netbilling first.

GrouchyAdmin · 09-05-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mike503

Be able to accept signups from my own site without having to forward on to some hacked up template page.

Be able to check a user's status periodically.

For self-hosted join pages, you're going to need a merchant account. For those, I have problems with them all to some degree, so I'm going to be blunt:

NetBilling is pretty simple, and offers realtime post for an initial transaction, but polling/posting still blows - they administratively lock you to 50 queries/day. They've also had a lot of downtime recently. Jettis, and RSBilling also offer services - neither works quite right in NATS, I can't say much about a native implementation, but cancels seem to work just fine.

Jettis has a fairly extensive and complete XML based post/reply - but their postout system is unable to stay accurate or repost, so you can't trust stats.

RSBilling uses an incredibly, incredibly simple key=value system, but is only a post, postback, and poll based system, so realtime isn't really realtime.

Paygea (a bank, not a processor) claims they're going to have a native system available; but I wouldn't bet the farm on it being available any time soon, I've heard this since '07.

Everyone else I've worked with is 'they host it.' Some are better, some are worse. Good luck.

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 02:34 AM

Okay, well the more I think about it, I guess I can sacrifice the self-hosted join page if I have to.

As long as I can send the user over with minimal information and be able to get a proper yes/no the transaction is approved back - providers like verotel have username restrictions and their own password generation, so to get around that, we had to lie and make some fake password and map it back to our actual system username/user IDs.

I suppose as long as the transaction can be completed and send the user back with appropriate information (perhaps a custom form field with a digest that can be compared and validated) that works for me. Also a simple way to disable users when their accounts are up, etc. Verotel contacts the site at somewhat random intervals at night with rebill and cancellation information. If the site is down, it tries it 2-3 times, then it fails the transaction.

I'd prefer a pull method, so I have control of when I process the information. That is much more important I suppose than a self-hosted signup form. Forget I even mentioned that for now

ManuelX · 09-05-2008, 02:34 AM

If it is of any interest to you, we have a phone and SMS billing system that works worldwide, already integrated with NATS and MPA3.

GrouchyAdmin · 09-05-2008, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike503

I'd prefer a pull method, so I have control of when I process the information. That is much more important I suppose than a self-hosted signup form. Forget I even mentioned that for now

Almost all of them support that, and have sample Perl/PHP code you can heavily modify to your needs. NetBilling has the best docs.

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manuglobalacces

If it is of any interest to you, we have a phone and SMS billing system that works worldwide, already integrated with NATS and MPA3.

I'd be using my own custom PHP code. So if there are some simple docs/instructions on how to integrate, that's perfect. I'd also want to have other established folks be able to vouch for you - as I've never heard of you

I already know how CCBill and Verotel work and it is a pain in the neck. So I'm browsing around to see if there are other options. I am wide open. I'll be comparing fees, reputation and ease of integration.

mike503 · 09-05-2008, 10:50 AM

Bumpity bump:

Anyone else recommended to look into besides:
- Verotel
- Ccbill
- Netbilling
- Epoch
- Jettis
- Rsbilling

?

cgu · 09-05-2008, 03:24 PM

Sorry about that, yes I meant at my email. Will have to check what happened to my contact form. I've got some business contacts that do domestic adult accounts at smaller banks with Visa Acquirer status so they can do the high risk registration.

Chio · 09-05-2008, 03:51 PM

xml interface is offered by verifiedcharge (postbacks too). Still in beta but expected to have all systems and planned features online within the next two weeks.

mike503 · 09-06-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgu

Sorry about that, yes I meant at my email. Will have to check what happened to my contact form. I've got some business contacts that do domestic adult accounts at smaller banks with Visa Acquirer status so they can do the high risk registration.

i cannot find your email anywhere...

mike503 · 09-06-2008, 06:32 PM

any of these other ones recommended? http://www.xbiz.com/directory/id=34&pid=5

gxbill.com looks promising just from their description and integration portfolio..

mike503 · 09-06-2008, 11:31 PM

bumpity bump bump

doesn't anyone here whore out their payment providers or any payment provider employees/sales associates read the forum?

back in the day it seemed like everyone vouched for their own people, or got paid to...

Deepriskshoulderhigh · 09-07-2008, 12:03 AM

I am a payment provider who specializes in adult.

Check out my icq monday and we'll talk if you are still interested.

mike503 · 09-08-2008, 12:44 AM

some more questions, what are good things to compare when looking at merchants/processors?

i'm going to weigh technical integration points obviously...

Rand · 09-08-2008, 10:21 AM

Epoch's join forms have been revised and refined since 1996 and offer the most proven payment submission process. When using an IPSP, it is a card association requirement to be PCI (Security Standards) compliant, therefore your customers must enter their card information on a form hosted on the IPSP's (Internet Payment Service Provider) servers.

If you have any specific questions about how you can receive or retrieve your data, feel free to write to me directly with your needs and I'll get you the answers you need to make an informed decision.

We would love to have your business and will do what we can to accommodate the needs of your sites.

INDY500DRIVER · 09-08-2008, 10:32 AM

We can help you out. Any questions please get in contact with me. We do have your join page n our servers but you can design the page to match your site. We are integrated with NATS. If you need anyting please feel free to contact me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike503

Bumpity bump:

Anyone else recommended to look into besides:
- Verotel
- Ccbill
- Netbilling
- Epoch
- Jettis
- Rsbilling

?

mike503 · 09-08-2008, 12:03 PM

thanks. i will contact you guys when i have a chance.

are there things i should be looking out for, specifically? chargeback costs, per-transaction fees, per-month fees, startup fees, all that?

Poppy · 09-08-2008, 12:20 PM

Hey there,

We may be able to help. Please contact me to discuss.

ManuelX · 09-15-2008, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike503

I'd be using my own custom PHP code. So if there are some simple docs/instructions on how to integrate, that's perfect. I'd also want to have other established folks be able to vouch for you - as I've never heard of you

I already know how CCBill and Verotel work and it is a pain in the neck. So I'm browsing around to see if there are other options. I am wide open. I'll be comparing fees, reputation and ease of integration.

Sorry Mike, I was away last few days, we can help you with integration.

http://www.global-acces.com/?page=integration

09-04-2008, 10:52 PM	#1
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	Looking for payment provider options with a couple specific things First, needs to support a site like newbienudes.com. Second, hopefully it has a worthwhile API that isn't based off something written in 1992 that's busted. I assume since I've been gone that at least one of the payment providers out there has made working/integrating with their systems easier... Anyone? __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

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09-05-2008, 02:13 AM	#11
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	followup: who issues merchant accounts to adult sites? i have one for non-adult business and they were annoying when i signed up and bitching at me recently for going over my "expected monthly business" - like i would never actually grow... seems like adult with the risk factor and such would be even more of a hassle. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

09-05-2008, 02:34 AM	#14
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	Okay, well the more I think about it, I guess I can sacrifice the self-hosted join page if I have to. As long as I can send the user over with minimal information and be able to get a proper yes/no the transaction is approved back - providers like verotel have username restrictions and their own password generation, so to get around that, we had to lie and make some fake password and map it back to our actual system username/user IDs. I suppose as long as the transaction can be completed and send the user back with appropriate information (perhaps a custom form field with a digest that can be compared and validated) that works for me. Also a simple way to disable users when their accounts are up, etc. Verotel contacts the site at somewhat random intervals at night with rebill and cancellation information. If the site is down, it tries it 2-3 times, then it fails the transaction. I'd prefer a pull method, so I have control of when I process the information. That is much more important I suppose than a self-hosted signup form. Forget I even mentioned that for now __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

09-05-2008, 02:34 AM	#15
ManuelX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Andorra Posts: 657	If it is of any interest to you, we have a phone and SMS billing system that works worldwide, already integrated with NATS and MPA3.

09-05-2008, 10:50 AM	#18
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	Bumpity bump: Anyone else recommended to look into besides: - Verotel - Ccbill - Netbilling - Epoch - Jettis - Rsbilling ? __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

09-05-2008, 03:24 PM	#19
cgu Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 188	Sorry about that, yes I meant at my email. Will have to check what happened to my contact form. I've got some business contacts that do domestic adult accounts at smaller banks with Visa Acquirer status so they can do the high risk registration. __________________ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action

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mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	any of these other ones recommended? http://www.xbiz.com/directory/id=34&pid=5 gxbill.com looks promising just from their description and integration portfolio.. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

09-06-2008, 11:31 PM	#23
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	bumpity bump bump doesn't anyone here whore out their payment providers or any payment provider employees/sales associates read the forum? back in the day it seemed like everyone vouched for their own people, or got paid to... __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

09-07-2008, 12:03 AM	#24
Deepriskshoulderhigh Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sunny Cal. The LBC Posts: 19	I am a payment provider who specializes in adult. Check out my icq monday and we'll talk if you are still interested. __________________ Have yourself a rockin day, oh yeah, pass the buck here!! ICQ# 439743854

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mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	some more questions, what are good things to compare when looking at merchants/processors? i'm going to weigh technical integration points obviously... __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

09-08-2008, 10:21 AM	#26
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	Epoch's join forms have been revised and refined since 1996 and offer the most proven payment submission process. When using an IPSP, it is a card association requirement to be PCI (Security Standards) compliant, therefore your customers must enter their card information on a form hosted on the IPSP's (Internet Payment Service Provider) servers. If you have any specific questions about how you can receive or retrieve your data, feel free to write to me directly with your needs and I'll get you the answers you need to make an informed decision. We would love to have your business and will do what we can to accommodate the needs of your sites. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	thanks. i will contact you guys when i have a chance. are there things i should be looking out for, specifically? chargeback costs, per-transaction fees, per-month fees, startup fees, all that? __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

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