Hey, let me pretend I"m a lawyer for a minute too....

If a tube site enters into a pre-paid advertisement agreement with a company. And both parties are well aware of the stolen content...Well, wouldn't that be "conspiracy" ?

Quick, check wikipedia and get back with me on that one gideongallery :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

To be legal, in the context we are talking about all it has to be immune from civil liablity due to the safe harbor provision
the veoh case does establish that level of legality for this issue. If it did not the case would never have been thrown out.

guess what it was (just like i predicted it would)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=851099


so your expecting me to promote a service which no one will buy (because it deals with software not videos) when there is a jack ass who has already proven he will try and damage that business as much as possible (you contacted [email protected])

just because my adult income is small enough that i don't care about doesn't mean i would want to risk an income i do care about.

I have a direct monetary insentive to keep it details private, and no monetary insentive to expose them.

However as i said you could make me an offer so great i could lose the entire business and not care. You said you made that much money. That would give me a financial insentive. And if you truely believed the business does not exist you would do it in a heart beat. The money would be in an escrow account.

i am not the one who does not realize that the veoh case and the judges ruling about the strength of the safe harbor provision does legitimize

"Putting up a tube site and then soliciting pre-paid advertisement spots based on traffic generated from stolen content"

simple because you would have to prove they knew that the person did not have a right to upload it (fair use or licienced)

Considering my post in paul markham's "Is this the Achilles heel for Youtube?" thread that is going to be very hard to do unless they either ignore the DMCA notice (assuming they are in the us), violate the equivalent in their country (assuming they are not in the states) or we start having access to telepaths (psi-corp).


the first two are never going to happen in the examples we are talking about

and the last is science fiction. :winkwink:

and when mind readers can start looking into our head and tell when we are lying this should work. Of course until then as long as they are comply with "perfectly formed" DMCA take down request they can always claim that they didn't realize it was unauthorized. In fact as long as there is a record of false takedown request successfully taking down authorized content (licienced and/ or fair use) they can even argue it the only legitimate way to act.

LOL There you go again gideongallery. You are getting flustered. I never said I emailed anybody named "rob" I said I spoke with Ron about you and they are monitoring how much animosity you are causing on GFY and whether or not they wish to have their company associated with you.

And you are being hilarious! LOL! There is only one reason for a porn tube or torrent to exist. And that is to make money from a pre-paid spot. Hang on, I'm laughing so hard I can't type...


Now let me get this straight...You own an imaginary company that you just said provides : "a service which no one will buy (because it deals with software not videos)"

And you make a small income with pussycash by flying a banner in your sig while you piss everybody off on GFY with your constant cheering for content theft.

Hmmm...so you make no money with your imaginary company, and you're bullshit has caused you to be a hated person on GFY so you make no money with your "sig"

So tell me again gideongallery...WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE?!?!?!?!

Leave loser.

Robbie, gideongallery is not worth it to waste too many minutes on here.
this advice is given to you for free

I know brother. I'm just having fun. I get bored while I'm rendering vids. The whole time I'm reading his drivel I'm rendering vids into encrypted streaming h264's

I've almost finished the entire members area and stopped my shit from getting stolen. But it's still fun to bitch slap gideongallery and his 3rd grade lawyering.

Nah. That's ok troll. I'll wait for your case of copyright theft in the name of 'fair use' and 'safe harbor' to go to court.

The end result should be entertaining. Hope you bring a toothbrush.

:)

K, have fun Robbie, understood !

Steal some of my content. Let me know where you post it. I'll hit you with a DMCA, and we will do this dance friend. While your at it. Steal some of Robbie's, and Jim Gunn's. I am sure we would LOVE putting you out of "business" and further more shutting your mouth on this issue.

Now, hedge those bets chief. If you DO actually have a company. That should be nice and tasty for my lawyers.

Game on.

IF gideongallery ever actually owned anything....and opened a tube site full of stolen content, I believe when he finally ends up going to court he is going to learn the TRUE meaning of "BackUp" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

go 4 it Barefootsies

geez this IS entertainment I am watching some stupid shit on television but heh ......... this is kewl

and I would LOVE to be the one to teach it to him. :)

Maybe he can dazzle those "bros" with his big talk of legalized theft under the guise of 'fair use' when the roast his rump. As I said to him,.. "game on".

I'll be waiting.
:thumbsup

It would be my pleasure. I can end this argument easily in court. We'll put tootsie to the test.

He's a betting man. So he can put up his company's assets to back up his mouth. I'm game.

:)

hang on now barefootsies...lol You just said you want to fuck gideongallery in the ass? WTF?!?!? This thread has taken a new romantic turn now! heh-heh

entertaining for sure :thumbsup

"with the law"
:winkwink:

Sweet baby jesus! How ironic that tubes and torrents are funded by prepaid ads from dating sites...and now we have somehow "cum" to this? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Okay, okay....fuck it. I'm in too. Me and barefootsies are gonna DP gideongallery. :1orglaugh

I am sure once things start getting seized, and frozen, he will "come to see the light" and all this bullshit big man talk of safe harbor, and his fair use, and so on will end real quick.

That my friend is a solid bet.

Oh,... and that doesn't even get into the 'annoymous tip' that will be phoned into the FBI on the 2257 issue on top of the copyright theft.

Toe hee.

:winkwink:

post the links i will keep you in mind in the future

But take notice i will not post them on my site (since i have already said that would be illegal)
i will post them on all of those torrent sites. other peoples torrent sites.

and quote my little torrents a a backup speach in the post that way i can prove you are fully aware of the fair use arguement when i dispute your DMCA take down notice.

Oh, and now you do not have the balls to post to your own tubesite(s). Oh lookie... he's back peddling now. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh But I thought it was so leeeeeeeeeeeeegal under your laws.

Only quotes the lawyers will need are all your claims in this thread that you are going to steal and post copy written material to torrents, which you know is wrong.

Furthermore, that while you have been corrected on the case law, you continue to claim conscious copyright theft, and the use of torrents, under 'fair use' and 'safe harbor'.

In the meantime, post your company information so we do not waste time dilly dallying around chief. We can take this straight to court. Stop fucking around bitch. You think you have the law on your side. Start stealing, and give me your info so we can go straight to court and test your "theory".

All I know is that after I lube up, I'm trying to decide if I want to stick my dick in his ass under "fair use" or "safe harbor"? Either way I'm gonna blow a load. lol

He knows his big fat mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash.

He's a big man on a message board, but he doesn't wanna play now.

If he was so sure he was in the right. He would steal content. Post it on his own sites. Refuse the DMCA, or counter. Then show up in court and try an prove his claims. But he knows they are bullshit, and he's just a board troll.

So he backed down.

Predictably.

After he would get done losing this case on the copyright. I would make sure that the 2257 'anonymous tip' case comes next to add on to the copyright infringement. Should prove rather tasty to test that theory as well.

Either way. That will end this debate with him.

So does that mean the three-way gay sex thing is off? :1orglaugh

no backpeddling i have said it more than a dozen times already

i even said it way back in post 117

just becuase i don't want to take a bet i have already admitted i would lose.

What i am saying is legal is legal, what i admit is illegal is illegal. Doing something i admited is illegal would not prove my point. Nor would it prove yours.


If you want me to post the content on my own site, even though i stated quite clearly it was illegal, the only way i would do that is if you granted me a licience that said i was fully authorized to post anything i wanted so long as it would be legal for a third party to do so under the safe harbor provision of the dmca.

Declare me as a proxy agent for any of your existing members.

If you truely believed that i was actually wrong you would have no problem with this since i would be autorized to be considered an independent third party for all of my post to my own site (which i have already stated multiple times would be illegal)

Be still gideongallery...I'm trying to get off...

Fuck it. Now my dick is limp. Goddamnit gideongallery. You are as lousy in bed as you are at being a lawyer and a "businessman" Fucking lame ass surfer

see i knew you would back out.

trying to get me to do something i explictly told you was illegal and when i legitimately moved it back to the arguement i was actually making you backed down like a little bitch.

Huh? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh WTF?!?! You are flustered aren't you? I'm not barefootsies, I'm Robbie! LOL! You are losing it gideongallery. You constantly think I type things that I didn't!

Your grip on reality is slipping fast. :1orglaugh

Keep back peddling. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What happened to your "backing my content up on torrents" is legal debate? Or your, T.O.S. when you buy a membership argument not being valid? How were you going to get around the 2257 issue?

Nice to see you back down little bitch when you are called on your bullshit. I told you to put your money where you mouth is. I knew you would back down.

Maybe that makes me psychic like you. I can start claiming the outcome of all lawsuits.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you were the one who said

after your buddy barefootsies clarified "with the law"

and you were the person who i was responding to (see post 117)
when i said


so yes i was talking about you, yes you did back down like a little bitch.

No I didn't....I was literally meaning that I thought that barefootsies and I were going to have gay 3-way sex with you. I have no idea what the fuck you're babbling about. But you were so lousy that I can't keep my dick hard so I have had to give up on that dream. Guess you'll have to wait for that ass-fucking when you are in prison. lol

No. You did.

You claimed that taking content you've bought is yours. You can post it on torrents, and tubes, and such based on case law and it was legal.

So, I told you to buy some of our content. Do what you claim is legal. Provide your company info. We'll see you in court.

Now you admit it's illegal.

So you backed down like the little bitch we knew you were.

:)

since we now know this "it wasn't me claim" was totally bogus i guess we should trust all those previous claims either :winkwink::winkwink:

Right.

Now that you admit it's illegal.

Guess we can throw out four pages of your bullshit claims and not trust those either (as if any one did).

:winkwink::winkwink::winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

Holy shit! LOL! gideongallery you are a pathological liar! You are totally losing it. You better take a "time out" before your parents ground you. :1orglaugh

i said i would post it on a torrent site

you wanted me to post it on my own torrent site

There is a difference between those two action because i said that if you have proof that they are posting it on their own site the safe harbor provision would not apply. (see post 117)

i have always said that the second act is illegal, and post 117 proves that i said BEFORE you ever made your little claim.

Going a mile past the line i stated and saying if you did this i would win. Doesn't prove that you would win if i stayed within the line i set.

offer still stands i can either post as your content to the torrent site, i will dispute the takedown request we will see who wins

or you can make me a proxy agent for members so that my posting on my own site would be legal so long as it would be legal for your members to do under the safe harbor provision of the dmca(even though such an action has already been stated to be illegal more than 30 posts before your little challenge)

Keep back peddling little bitch.

If any of your claims were valid, you would post it on your site. No one's going to give you content, then you hide behind a proxy little bitch. To back up content, as you claim, you have to first own it. So go and buy it, then do what you claim is legal.

Just goes to show. You never had a leg to stand on in the first place. Next time, know what the fuck you are talking about. You've proven you do not, and do not have the stones to back up your mouth.

Thanks for playing toots. :)

Case closed.

post 117
came before post 129

what you are doing is the equivalent to me saying to proving that first ammendment has a right to film people fucking, pimp your girls out on the street as prostitutes and see if you are going to get convicted. You would never do that because you know that without filming aspect your acts are no longer protected.

Without the independent posting action mine would also not be protected.

Like i said if you want to test what i am actually saying is legal, we can dance, but i will not do something I public said was illegal BEFORE you ever made your little challenge.



see it helps to be able to count

hahahahahahahaha! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
gideongallery is having his ass handed to him. :1orglaugh

I can picture gideongallery now...sitting in a dark corner of his room at his parents house sobbing as he lights the crack pipe. And as he drools all over himself he keeps muttering over and over: "fair use, safe harbor, fair use, safe harbor"
:pimp