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Do tell us the secrets of how to get the No Data rank! :helpme |
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Funny as hell ok since you want another example, how about gfy.com how much are you paying to post here (zero) yet they are making money it is possible to make money from giving content away for free. Look at tgp before that lots of money there. free news sites like slashdot.org digg.com msn.com google.com should i keep going, find an advertiser who will foot the bill and it is really easy making money by giving away content. |
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You might wanna bone up on the laws, DMCA, procedures, copyright and specifics of that case. You're talking out of your ass. But that doesn't surprise me in the least. :2 cents: |
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you'll probably be hearing from me on icq. 278-660-804 porn punk or something like that. (I have to step out now) don't delete me. It seems like it would be better if you made the submitters embed. This is what tgp and mgp's will always have over tube sites as far as profitability goes
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Sites like digg, slashdot and google are in no way comparable to tubes. User-generated and/or low-bandwidth content is relatively cheap, on a per-user basis. That's the big problem with the tube business model. There is very little actual user-generated porn. Most "user-generated" porn is just user-uploaded porn, instead. If you don't want to base your business model on having users upload porn you don't own the rights to, you will have to pay for it instead. Of course, you can get tube-licensed content very cheaply these days, but the costs are still relatively high. Moreover, bandwidth costs on video are much, much higher than they are on text. Bandwidth has gotten much cheaper in recent years, but with tube sites, the costs are still significant. Together, these things greatly decrease your profit margin. With economies of scale, legal tube sites can still make a handsome profit. The problem, though, is that everyone will start one just to be able to compete with the others. Of course, when that happens, a tube site won't have the pull of offering more content than other sites anymore, and average traffic will drop, killing the economies of scale for most tube sites. |
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Marketsmarts's illegal tube sites stole my baby.
But it's coo doe! i blamed it on dingos. |
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that the point safe harbor protected tube sites (what you call illegal tube sites) will have longer videos, which will keep a lion share of the traffic. Even if they do not new technology like swarm player technology (and the project to convert it to java/ c#) will shift the bandwidth around just like bit torrent do. The bandwidth is not going to be as serious a problem as you expect it to be. Of course we will just have to wait and see, but i pretty sure i will be right about this one too. |
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Furthermore, posting full length stolen videos that are not licensed to you are not "fair use". Any more than posting a full length DVD, movie, or music album is. You need to understand what constitutes "fair use" in the legal realm before you keep dropping it like a footnote. It's pretty obvious, you do not have a fucking clue. :2 cents: |
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i choose what is fair use and what is not fair use... if you dont like it, i will understand if you feel the need to steal my stolen content... :thumbsup |
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However, I'll keep you on my most searched sites for copyright infringement enforcement in the meantime American toots. :winkwink: |
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One of the examples you give is Digg, do you know how much they paid for content.....ZERO. They spent money on the development of the software, and I don't see them giving that away for free. Digg did produce content, the software that runs their site. When they give that away for free, give me a call. Your examples don't support your pro-tubes argument because the free content on Digg cost nothing to produce and the part of the site they did spend money on, they would NEVER give away for free. |
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But actually, in the case of tube sites, you don't "have the right to" use the vids either. The DMCA essentially just says that if you're not pre-screening user-uploaded content, you're not responsible for copyright violations, as long as you immediately take action and remove the content as soon as you are made aware that the content owner has not made it available for that particular usage. Lenz vs universal has little to do with this. It merely says that content owners need to check for fair use on individual pieces of content before sending in the lawyers. Quote:
Either way, the current mass violations of copyright on high-traffic standard tube sites will not continue. Of course, simply buying extremely cheap video content is still an option. Some truly illegal tube sites (ones not complying with the dmca) will continue to exist, of course, and will gain a large share of the market. But since there are virtually no countries that have laws allowing such usage, those sites will be relatively few. Quote:
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Oh, and yes, I did just say "lower conversion rates". That's because the more you offer for free, the smaller the amount of people who are going to pay for more is. A few years from now, nearly all porn will be free. Exceptions will be extremely high quality, and highly specialized niches. Income will come from upsells (higher quality, mainly), toys, cams, escort and dating. Dating will eventually turn free as well, at least in part. Toys, prostitutes and private cams shows probably won't. The industry will hurt, financially. Just like the newspapers did when craigslist turned their hundreds of millions of dollars in classified ad revenue into tens of millions of dollars in classified ad revenue for itself. |
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you are a really smart guy, so i am surprised by this post... you really dont know much about tube sites... there's a 1000 different ways to monetize tube traffic and although pay for porn is not one of them (except dating & cams), you havent seen a glimpse of what people are starting to promote with tube sites... content and b/w are very cheap right now and i see content getting even cheaper even though its rediculous.. i could go on forever and ever on ths subject, but the bottom line is that if you cant figure out how to make the new tube trend work for you, then you are going to see your revenues decline (with exception to super niche) and/or be out of this industry within a year or two... :2 cents: i am marketsmart and i approved this message..... |
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There is still a problem, though. While there are many ways to monetize tube sites (rather more than the ones I mentioned - old ones like male enhancement pills, but also new ones like camgirls and escorts promoting their services), the main money-making model of the entire industry is still going to shift from "paid content" to "upsell/ad supported content". And that, almost invariably, leads to both lower profit margins and consolidation. A (large) number of companies will thrive, but an even larger number will see profit fall. I'm about 80% sure that profit for the industry as a whole will fall, at least relative to the expansion of the internet and the further integration of it into our daily lives. On top of that, I think it's even likelier that the small guys are the ones who will get hit hardest. Smarter search engines will eventually lead more and more surfers to sites offering exactly what they're looking for. That content, in most cases, is bound to be on huge sites. |
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On a side note the Two for Jewsday parcheesi matches have been cancelled due to the storm. |
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however, i differ about about the monetizing model.. i dont think paid ads are the best ways to make money off tubes.. sure they are money in the bank and an easy way to know what your p&l is before you pay the bills, but what people are missing out on is CRM and the ability of CRM to generate 10x what paid ads can do on their best day.. the problem is most adult guys just want the easy money with no effort... |
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Profit margins are higher, production costs lower, and a better search engine results and networks mean more tailored solutions to those markets and niches. Smaller guys can more easily offer more readily what surfers and customer want to buy. A guy e-mails me today telling me some 'idea' and I can work it into the shoot this week, next week he has his material. Porno monoliths do not tailor solutions in this fashion. What you are going to see the end of is the greed of the porno monolith. People's jobs will be cut. More focus on technology. Thinning of the heads of sheep who require affiliate managers, but do not produce sales. Also more production moved overseas where they can cut budgets, and try and keep fresh content cranking. The small fries are the most secure, and not going anywhere. No matter what happens to he bigger industry, most niche, and smaller companies are unphased. This is what the 'bros' and 'big guys' fail to understand. We do not have the overhead. We offer more tailored solutions and interaction. We are not going anywhere. You are. |
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The small guys I'm talking about are the ones who, right now, are running a few blogs or splogs, maybe a few tgps, and submitting some galleries. A fair amount of small guys aren't full-timers, but part-timers who make some extra beer money in adult. Specialists will continue to thrive. Both the ones creating (niche) content, as well as the ones vigorously listing the best (niche) content. Small, bland mainstreamers will mostly disappear, though. Although, of course, a few will continue to live in the cracks of the system. Compare it to buying food. Big chains have mostly replaced smaller generic grocery stores, but specialists on cheese, meat, wine, pies, etc. continue to do well. |
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[stoned] The affiliate platform is so strong because of the surfer's need for free porn.. Now that might just be because of the marketing strategies used by affiliates... it trained the surfer to realize they can get enough free porn if they hit enuff affiliate sites..
*shrug* I love tube sites.. The ability to scan over thousands of clips from 20+ niches and 2000000000000 different sites.. It's the best marketing.. I have had my eyes opened to soo much content, sites that i would have never seen if it wasn't for the "tube" site platform.. It is really a lot like TGP/MGPs it's just a better organized layout.. Everything all on the same page.. The transition from TGP/MGP to Tube should be a no brainer for a lot of TGP/MGP webmasters.. I see programs running DVD Tube type sites where the surfer can buy dvd scenes or whole dvds.. What I don't see them doing is converting their 150 pay site program into a 1 tube site program.. for obvious reasons.. Tube sites will exist together with Paysites.. But because of the over abundance of free porn on the internet thanks to generous affiliates and outlaw tubes.. The average surfer today has the assumption porn can be had for free.... Soo just like HMV and Tower records are basically out of buisness thanks to Apple Music Store and Napster... Some of you guys are going to be out of business too :) [/stoned] |
I don't think Tube sites are nearly as threatening as they were when you could make a lot of money with bullshit advertising companies like AVNAds. Tube sites can no longer host free full videos and depend on making money by tricking surfers into clicking adware-prone advertisements. You now mainly see these 3 types of tubes:
1. Paysite tube - you can view a couple videos for free, or shorter clips, and must pay for high quality/full versions. (Not really a threat to traditional paysites or at least not really a threat to selling porn) 2. Clusterfuck TGP Tube - Since advertising revenue is low, and affiliate revenue (due to shitty traffic/low conversions) will also be low for these kind of tubes, they're basically the new TGP. People that don't want to get jerked around clicking on bullshit advertisments and what have you, would still rather pay for clean looking advertisement free straight forward porn sites. The people that will put up with it would be just like people that go to TGPs. I've also noticed a lot of these types of tubes shortening their clips and putting up more sponsor/affiliate style links (Still incentive for surfers to pay for porn due to these types of tubes being annoying) 3. Big sites like youporn that aren't spammy/clusterfuck that I have a hard time believing turn a profit after bandwidth costs, though they may get bandwidth exceptionally cheap. These types of tubes would really be the only/biggest threat. They're also the most 'illegal' and should have a more likely chance of being shut down. If the really big sites like youporn that actually host user generated content of 10 minute or longer clips, with no popups, no particularly misleading links or circle jerking, get shut down, then there really won't be much of a problem with tubes at all. |
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Re read the article, it never said the entire economy has to go to free, it talking about the digital economy. People still need to eat, people need to sleep. People need hard drives to store all the free porn. They still want live interaction, they want to get laid. There will always be something to sell those eyeballs for the free canned digital content. Granted you will not make the insane amount of money that you made before, but that money is a pipe dream anyway since if you choose not to make it someone else will "access shift" your content and make the money in your place. |
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for example if people had lifetime access to download the videos they paid for, allowing them to recover the content they bought a right to view from you for free, you could legitimately argue that torrent sites are not providing timeshifting/recovery services to your former customers. Because you were providing such service already, at a price equal to theres (fair market competiton) you choose not to. The point is that there is an re-up oppertunity with such a site. showcase all the videos that have been added since they last joined. Tell them about how they can get access by reactivating their membership and you got a new revenue stream comming in. Hell implement a torrent distributed download system, and the videos would be cheaper to distribute. But you don't want to invest in fulfilling your fair use responsiblity, and you want to prevent others from filling that void. Do you really think that is fair ? |
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