Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14681201)

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But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don?t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.


FACT: Barack Obama voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Justices that affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and ?research.?8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...1&vote =00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in ?Obama had greater role on liberal survey,? Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...1&vote =00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. ?Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.? Obama ?08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck...n_obamas_c.php)

7. ?Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,? Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. ?Obama and Gun Control,? The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. ?Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,? Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioio...n_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, ?Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,? February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b..._on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: ?As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .? (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ur...aw-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...un_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 14682237)

Who is Sarah Palin?

Originally Posted by qxm (Post 14682207)

No "I agree" gif image this time?? :(

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 14682074)

yes i did.

best line ever was about mccain not foloowing bin laden to the cave where he is let along "the gates of hell."

I am so tired of hearing republicans and mccain say how far they are willing to go to get Bin Laden, when it so obvious not true.

The best army on the planet cannot even find a single terrorist named Bin Laden, but mccain will chase hi to the fictitious place called hell. I think the army and america look like a joke the longer they are in iraq and never on the trail of thereal Bin laden. (i got family over there on 3-4 tours of iraq)

bring em home.

Great line Barack.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14680772)

i've heard the same from others - webmasters.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14680722)

i talked to an 18 year old female American today, asked her if she was going to vote for Obama - her reply was 'no he's black' as if it was a ridiculous question to even ask.

Originally Posted by davidd (Post 14680904)

Mondale/Ferraro -> In The Bag
Dukakis/Bentson -> In The Bag
Gore/Lieberman -> In The Bag
Kerry/Edwards -> In The Bag
Obama/Biden -> In The Bag

Seeing a pattern?

Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 14680906)

The video montage that told his story was pretty well done.

I was worried about the setting as it was made well before the attacks on him as being a "celebrity" but they filmed it tight so it never looked overwhelming. Although the fireworks at the end seemed over the top.

My only question is, say he wins, can he live up to the promise? Can any man? Business and greed are so entrenched in government that I wonder if no matter what he achieves, it will be a let down.

Believe it or not, he still has a very uphill battle, but if he pulls it out I will have hope for America, not because of him, but because it will show people have learned from the past and are ready to start something new and put that post 9-11 fear mongering behind us the same way the Germans did post WW2.

McCain actually put out a classy ad today congratulating Obama. He said something like "We'll go back at it tomorrow, but tonight, job well done" referring to being the first black nominee.

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 14682266)

Very pro-life, from what that says ...if Hillary loyals are thinking of voting Mccain because of her gender I hope they remember they picked the future when abortion issues come up afterwards.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 14681797)

As usual, the right wingers here and all over the US will not give credit where credit is due. They will all keep claiming that Obama isn't experienced enough to be president.... blah blah blah. I think the only experience a president needs is the ability to run things in an organized fashion and have the intelligence to utilize the experience of the experts on the issues. It's very important that he choose competent people to help him run things... and he should be open to hearing opposing views.

I don't agree with every position that Obama takes but it is sure as hell alot more then I agree with McCain since he decided to toe the neocon line. What is funny to me is that he hated Romney during the primary and I predict (at 7:59AM EST) that he will pick Romney today to be his VP because he needs help in the west.

Spacedog has no credibility to argue against Obama because he is a proven racist... not long ago he was exposed for running a site called ni**erporn.com (or something like that) that had KKK symbols all over it. Furthermore... I don't think you have to worry about the 2nd amendment issues because they are not even close to being on top of the democrat agenda... things like health care are going to rule the agenda and there won't be time to even address that issue. The NRA has become a joke anyway because they are only a political tool of the right to control voters in the same sense that evangelicals are a tool. I don't support any limits on the 2nd amendment at all... just thought I should state that. I DO support putting people that use an assault weapon in any crime or felons who possess an assault weapon away for life but really... most shootings aren't done with assault weapons anyway.

The biggest reason I support Obama is because he isn't like McCain in the sense that he didn't come from a life of privilege... He is a self made man and I respect that more then anything else. McCain is just like Bush in the sense that his life would have been one of privilege no matter what... McCain can certainly relate with being a POW but he can't relate to being a single parent raising 2 kids on a shitty salary working in a bakery like my wife did. He certainly can't relate to struggling to work his way through college on a PELL grant while working as a cook at a restaurant or temp worker in a factory and having the restaurant/factory cut his hours so much that he loses his apartment and ends up homeless like I did. TWICE. He certainly can't relate to having his job shipped overseas and losing everything after working at the same plant for 25 years like my Dad did. He certainly can't relate to losing his house because of being "stop lossed" after the 4th tour in Iraq and 1 tour in Afghanistan while his wife was laid off back at home while trying to raise their new baby like my friend did. He can't relate to struggle in that sense and he certainly doesn't understand the essence of the American Dream because of it and now that I have attained the American Dream working as a webmaster in the porn industry... I am certainly not going to support the right wing who would LOVE to take that away from me.

I watched the speech on Fox News so I could hear the neocon line right away afterwards... and I wasn't disappointed... Greta was more then happy to spew her bullshit along with every single one of her guests until Midnight.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 14682308)

I hate to say this... and I hope you don't take is ant-female... but honestly, if pro-choice women vote for McCain because of his pick it won't be because they know or understand what they are voting for... it will be purely because they are voting for a woman.

Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14681201)

No pictures.

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14682318)

Brit Hume and his round table (which included 3 Dems) was on right after Barack Hussein Obama's speech, Greta didnt come on until 1 1/2 later so your pretty much a liar in the regard. Further more Greta had Bob Beckel, Kirsten Powers and Lanny Davis plus herself, that makes 4 Dems so im wondering where you got your right wing spin from during her show.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 14682349)

Brit Hume was on until 11PM EST... Obama didn't get done speaking until 11PM EST... so I suggest you check yourself.

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14680770)

:2 cents::2 cents:

I complete agree

If she made a statement like that.... she should not be allowed to breathe.

hopefuly her breathing will stop in the new future and spare the world or such ignorant statements

when you see her again, ask her if she has ever wondered how relaxing eternal sleep could be .... then post her picture and home address

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14682444)

Your wrong again, Brit Hume went off the air at 11:30 PM EST

Great started her show with the following...

August 28th, 2008 11:31 PM Eastern
got this before Senator Obama left the stage (but after he finished)
by Greta Van Susteren
MCCAIN CAMPAIGN STATEMENT ON BARACK OBAMA?S ACCEPTANCE SPEECH

Tucker Bounds: ?Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama. When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm?s way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be President.?

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14682444)

Your wrong again, Brit Hume went off the air at 11:30 PM EST

Great started her show with the following...

August 28th, 2008 11:31 PM Eastern
got this before Senator Obama left the stage (but after he finished)
by Greta Van Susteren
MCCAIN CAMPAIGN STATEMENT ON BARACK OBAMA’S ACCEPTANCE SPEECH

Tucker Bounds: “Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama. When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm’s way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be President.”

Originally Posted by uno (Post 14682280)

Clinton/Gore -> In The Bag.

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14682444)

Your wrong again, Brit Hume went off the air at 11:30 PM EST

Great started her show with the following...

August 28th, 2008 11:31 PM Eastern
got this before Senator Obama left the stage (but after he finished)
by Greta Van Susteren
MCCAIN CAMPAIGN STATEMENT ON BARACK OBAMA?S ACCEPTANCE SPEECH

Tucker Bounds: ?Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama. When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm?s way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be President.?

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14680770)

:2 cents::2 cents:

I complete agree

If she made a statement like that.... she should not be allowed to breathe.

hopefuly her breathing will stop in the new future and spare the world or such ignorant statements

when you see her again, ask her if she has ever wondered how relaxing eternal sleep could be .... then post her picture and home address

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 14682517)

They were just saying on the DNC Clinton/Gore won because Ross Perot dropped out of the election and they got a huge boost and his votes. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 14682496)

Ok... so I was off by 30 minutes... what exactly is your point? You called me a liar. Greta did take the right wing position and so did the majority of her guests and other commentators on her show... I wasn't disappointed by my expectations.

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 14683181)

My point is you made a false statement and you didnt see Greta on air when Barack Hussein Obama's speech ended like you claimed. And Greta's show had 3 Dems right off the bat giving high praise to the speech and Greta's herself is a huge Lib...so im confused as to where you got the right wing spin from.

Bob Beckel, Kirsten Powers and Lanny Davis where her first 3 guest...all 3 are Libs and are huge Obama supporters. So once again where was the right wing spin you so called heard?

Its simple...you didnt hear any.