Wow ... one forum out of the 80 or so that I own.....

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

is getting a lot of hits from GFY?? whos the lame brain that linked linked to me??

So yeah I own 76 web 2.0 forums with a total of 3 million registered users between all of them and one of my colo companies recieved this email today:


Gentlemen:

Please take appropriate action to disable access to the infringing
materials described below, in accordance with the provisions of
the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 and the Berne Convention.
Should you require further information regarding this matter,
please feel free to contact me.
Regards,
Eric Green
Owner

ELECTRONIC NOTICE OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT

I, the undersigned, CERTIFY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY that I am an
agent authorized to act on behalf of the owner of certain
intellectual property rights, said owner being named:


http://www.realitykings.com

I have a good faith belief that the items or materials listed
below are not authorized by the above IP Owners, their agents, or
the law and therefore infringe the IP Owner's rights. Please act
expeditiously to remove or disable access to the material or items
claimed to be infringing.
I may be contacted at:

Printed Name: Eric Green
Title: Owner
Company: Destined Enterprises
Street Address: 391 E. Las Colinas Blvd Ste 130-609
City and State: Irving, TX
Country: USA
Postal code: 75039-6225
Email (correspondence): [email protected]
Telephone: (214) 272-8256

Truthfully,
/S/: Eric Green

Allegedly Infringing items or materials:
Hosted copyrighted media
or
Indexed and linked copyrighted media

Infringed Work or Right:
CCopyright RK Netmedia

Original Materials & Copyright Holder(s):
RK Netmedia
705 Washington Ave
Miami Beach, FL 33139
USA
Ph: 305.695.6700
Fax: 305.695.6701


Location of ORIGINAL WORKS:
http://www.realitykings.com

URL(s) of Infringed Works or Right:



The hypertext links are file-sharing url services as described in,
and proscribed by, Section 512(d) of Title 17, United States Code.


Should I let the members of all my forums know that I am under attack for false information?


Does Reality Kings know that remove my content has cluelessly jumped on the band wagon with a bunch of trolls ... and sending this kind of shit to or on me???? hmmm

what should I do??

any suggestions?

I doubt Reality Kings has anything to do with this dumb ass sending this crap out

If a RK represenative could correct me if im wrong I will apoligize

meanwhile... remove my content your service sucks

do some real research first .... that was not a good idea

[Pleasurepays]

You guys ever going to learn not to link to other forums? You do know this is a bannable offense right?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

You guys ever going to learn not to link to other forums? You do know this is a bannable offense right?

[baddog]

Damn, you are a bigger idiot that most of us imagined.

[Marcus Aurelius]

<---Pulling up a chair for this.

[d-null]

is "realraptalk" one of his too? hard to say because all of these assholes copy between each other

I notice some are registered with godaddy, and it doesn't look like the registration information is properly filled out, is it true that godaddy has been known to pull the plug on violators? who is hosting these guys?

[klaze]

This thread is interesting.

Either..

1) Pussyserver hosts stolen content and isnt sharing it with me.
2) Pussyserver made this thread to brag without actually bragging.
3) Some idiot is actually taking malicious action against pussyserver.. Which is the main reason I keep everything I do private.

So which is it?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by klaze

This thread is interesting.

Either..

1) Pussyserver hosts stolen content and isnt sharing it with me.
2) Pussyserver made this thread to brag without actually bragging.
3) Some idiot is actually taking malicious action against pussyserver.. Which is the main reason I keep everything I do private.

So which is it?

Yeah, he kept his shit "private" too. I first thought it was because he didn't have anything to show. Turns out he has stolen content AND sexually suggestive pics of prepubescents on his fucking site.

So you know what klaze? There was a damn good reason he didn't want anybody to know who he is and what he does.

And I've been in a few conversations with people on ICQ tonight about this shit. And we all are in agreement that there is always a BAD reason for someone to join a webmaster forum and then do nothing but brag and all the while try to hide what you do.

So you wonder why I asked you what you do? And where are your sites? Now you know. And this will be the last time I speak to you, I was actually having fun with that fucking scumbag ps but now I have learned my lesson.

If nobody knows who you are. And nobody does legit business with you. Then I want nothing to do with you.

That's not directed at you personally...but in general for every magical mystery millionaire on here who nobody seems to know. Fuck 'em all.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And I've been in a few conversations with people on ICQ tonight about this shit. And we all are in agreement that there is always a BAD reason for someone to join a webmaster forum and then do nothing but brag and all the while try to hide what you do.

That's not directed at you personally...but in general for every magical mystery millionaire on here who nobody seems to know. Fuck 'em all.

Agreed.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, he kept his shit "private" too. I first thought it was because he didn't have anything to show. Turns out he has stolen content AND sexually suggestive pics of prepubescents on his fucking site.

So you know what klaze? There was a damn good reason he didn't want anybody to know who he is and what he does.

And I've been in a few conversations with people on ICQ tonight about this shit. And we all are in agreement that there is always a BAD reason for someone to join a webmaster forum and then do nothing but brag and all the while try to hide what you do.

So you wonder why I asked you what you do? And where are your sites? Now you know. And this will be the last time I speak to you, I was actually having fun with that fucking scumbag ps but now I have learned my lesson.

If nobody knows who you are. And nobody does legit business with you. Then I want nothing to do with you.

That's not directed at you personally...but in general for every magical mystery millionaire on here who nobody seems to know. Fuck 'em all.

Robbie all you have proven is that you are a fuckin wanker

seriously

you align yourself with a fake nic ( black widow)

chase me around the forum talkin crap about stuff that you are 100&#37; clueless about

and you think you know everything

dude... you dont know shit

you arent shit

and honestly no one gives a shit who you talked to on ICQ on the phone on the moon or wherever

I didnt try to hide anything... I said you meant nothing to me so I had nothing toprove to you...

I dont have any of the bullshit you just claimed on any of my forums or in any of my communities and if a user post it... i fuckin ban and delete them

stop being a fag and pull your boxers up... you started shit with me and even now.... you still have no idea who you are fuckin with..

you are a nobody to me.... thats why I ignored your childish taunts from the start in all the other threads weeks and months ago

you are fuckin annoying .... and sissyish

just go away


** FYI.. I know you do not understand what a forum is... but if someone posted a link to some girls myspace or something on one of my forums.... the bet I can do is delete it

I am not god

anoying fuckin gawdy twerp


one more thing .... the worst part of it all is that you did not look around to see you were alone among trolls and sig whores when looking for people in agreement with you while you attacked me .... for no reason

and I had been looking at your stupid ass and considering making you a part of a major mainstream project

what an idiot

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Robbie

If nobody knows who you are. And nobody does legit business with you.

You do realize that if you don't know who somebody is, that doesn't mean that other people don't, right?

[Robbie]

PS, I had nothing to do with what is happening to you right now. You did. I was contacted by removeyourcontent and told what you had on your forum. It has been seen by many others as well and documented.

I also just finished reading one of the posts by "Uncle Ruckus" And since he moderates that place that you said had no moderator...I can only guess that is you. And the story that is written there about having a 13 yr old female on "uncle ruckus" lap wearing nothing but a t-shirt and "uncle ruckus" saying that he didn't know who she was but still told her that he was her "daddy" is fucking downright sick.

Fuck you.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You do realize that if you don't know who somebody is, that doesn't mean that other people don't, right?

And you do realize that if NOBODY knows who the fuck somebody is...then it does mean something

Especially when this guy made entire threads calling everyone on here a bunch of losers because he makes so much money. Yeah..and now we know how. Stolen content and disgusting underage pics

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

PS, I had nothing to do with what is happening to you right now. You did. I was contacted by removeyourcontent and told what you had on your forum. It has been seen by many others as well and documented.

I also just finished reading one of the posts by "Uncle Ruckus" And since he moderates that place that you said had no moderator...I can only guess that is you. And the story that is written there about having a 13 yr old female on "uncle ruckus" lap wearing nothing but a t-shirt and "uncle ruckus" saying that he didn't know who she was but still told her that he was her "daddy" is fucking downright sick.

Fuck you.

let me give you a clue.... although I am not sure what post you are talking about.... I do have a writers who post stories to all of my forums ( back to the indians) and whatever keyword tactics they use to attract visitors ... and build our datavase for mining

.... I dont give a shit

but most likely ... you are taking something out of context

why not post what you saw in its entirety just change whatever age he said to 99

stop acting retarded


Robbie please stop accusing me of underage shit!!! ok

I dont do anything underage

Robbie generates traffic with underage pictures

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And you do realize that if NOBODY knows who the fuck somebody is...then it does mean something

Especially when this guy made entire threads calling everyone on here a bunch of losers because he makes so much money. Yeah..and now we know how. Stolen content and disgusting underage pics

Robbie... I dont know you because I choose not to know you

and guess what else.... there are a lot of people who dont know you

bottom line dude is that you are a fuckin retard

its weird because... they are saying you are not a troll and have decent traffic etc etc.... but you act like and align with trolls and sig whores

you confuse me

[Robbie]

I'm not posting any of that shit here. I'm not going to disrespect Eric in his house. I showed the thread to some others who can substantiate what I saw. You sir, are in a lot of trouble. And no, I'm not the one doing it. Someone else wrote me and told me that they had taken action when I was first shown this stuff. As I said. You did this shit to yourself.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

Robbie generates traffic with underage pictures

Unless you can post PROOF of that. You are now up for banning. Congrats.

I can't wait to meet you in Atlanta toots...

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not posting any of that shit here. I'm not going to disrespect Eric in his house. I showed the thread to some others who can substantiate what I saw. You sir, are in a lot of trouble. And no, I'm not the one doing it. Someone else wrote me and told me that they had taken action when I was first shown this stuff. As I said. You did this shit to yourself.

lol

lmao whatever looser

get a life first followed closely by a clue

[Robbie]

But I guess that since you claimed in one of your many hallucinatory threads right here on GFY that you are a federal agent as well as making money hand over fist while the rest of us are "poor posers" that you have nothing to worry about.

[Black_Widow]

Your forum gets about 200 hits a day. Shut the fuck up already. You don't have any traffic there and you dont own 40 forums. All of your sites are deadbeat, including floridahiphop.com and other shitty sites that belong to 1998.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But I guess that since you claimed in one of your many hallucinatory threads right here on GFY that you are a federal agent as well as making money hand over fist while the rest of us are "poor posers" that you have nothing to worry about.

proof that you cannot read

Do what you must or feel what you must peon

just leave me alone

call.. post email do whatever on any site I own

but leave me alone on GFY

can you do that??

take it easy you emotional girly man you

[Robbie]

I'm not "after you" ps. Matter of fact I had started to kinda enjoy your character here on GFY and was having fun with you. But not now. After I have seen with my own 2 eyes what you are doing...I will no longer have anything to do with people that I cannot confirm 100&#37; who they are and what they do in this business.

[klaze]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, he kept his shit "private" too. I first thought it was because he didn't have anything to show. Turns out he has stolen content AND sexually suggestive pics of prepubescents on his fucking site.

So you know what klaze? There was a damn good reason he didn't want anybody to know who he is and what he does.

And I've been in a few conversations with people on ICQ tonight about this shit. And we all are in agreement that there is always a BAD reason for someone to join a webmaster forum and then do nothing but brag and all the while try to hide what you do.

So you wonder why I asked you what you do? And where are your sites? Now you know. And this will be the last time I speak to you, I was actually having fun with that fucking scumbag ps but now I have learned my lesson.

If nobody knows who you are. And nobody does legit business with you. Then I want nothing to do with you.

That's not directed at you personally...but in general for every magical mystery millionaire on here who nobody seems to know. Fuck 'em all.

Lay off the T. You talk wayy too much.

I told you 15 times already. You have NOTHING of interest to me business wise that is why you will never know what I do and for who.

Seriously get over yourself I have ZERO interest in milf/mature/big tit content and surfers.

Please keep your promise and please don't speak to me every again.

And don't assume or generalize just because some people who do illegal shit keep their shit private does not mean ALL do.

And I can 100% guarantee to you I do not have one shady bone in my body.

I also don't believe any accusations against pussyserver have been proven.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And you do realize that if NOBODY knows who the fuck somebody is...then it does mean something

Especially when this guy made entire threads calling everyone on here a bunch of losers because he makes so much money. Yeah..and now we know how. Stolen content and disgusting underage pics

I'm not specifically talking about pussyserver. Hell, it was obvious the guy was an idiot from the moment he first posted.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Libertine

I'm not specifically talking about pussyserver. Hell, it was obvious the guy was an idiot from the moment he first posted.

thanks for the affection

the feelings are mutual

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

niggaz be getting crazeeeee up in dis thread. ya ya! wut?!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

I'm not specifically talking about pussyserver. Hell, it was obvious the guy was an idiot from the moment he first posted.

I'm just saying that this whole thing opened my eyes. It's plain as day on here when people brag about how rich they are and how much money they make in this business...but nobody has a clue who they are and nobody does any business with them.

But damn man. I thought for sure that it was just a bunch of wannabe's. Now I'm thinking...hell, maybe they are really hiding what they do because it's illegal.

I'm just saying that from now on, no more fun and games with these guys. I'm not going to fuck with any of them anymore on GFY. I don't want to be associated with people on a webmaster board that I can't even confirm ARE webmasters.

That's all I'm saying. Bro, I'm not trying to pretend to be anything if that's the impression I gave. I know who and what I am. And I bust my ass everyday to do what I do. And I'm an open book to anyone who wants to make money with me. No mystery. No drama. I can see where you may have mistook my meaning. But I never intended my words to convey that people weren't shit unless I knew them. Not at all.

[klaze]

I tried finding the kiddie porn info to see what was up.. But I guess the mods deleted teh thread?

Their better be more to this than ass shaking videos hosted on youtube linked on his forum.

[Alky]

Originally Posted by Black_Widow

Your forum gets about 200 hits a day. Shut the fuck up already. You don't have any traffic there and you dont own 40 forums. All of your sites are deadbeat, including floridahiphop.com and other shitty sites that belong to 1998.

didnt you say your tubesite did like 1 sale every week and was pushing like 50k daily?

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

put down yo gats, no, you put yo gats...

please, no more black on black violence...

STOP DA BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE!!!!!!!

[L-Pink]

Are you sure the traffic isn't from men's bathroom graffiti?

[klaze]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm just saying that this whole thing opened my eyes. It's plain as day on here when people brag about how rich they are and how much money they make in this business...but nobody has a clue who they are and nobody does any business with them.

But damn man. I thought for sure that it was just a bunch of wannabe's. Now I'm thinking...hell, maybe they are really hiding what they do because it's illegal.

I'm just saying that from now on, no more fun and games with these guys. I'm not going to fuck with any of them anymore on GFY. I don't want to be associated with people on a webmaster board that I can't even confirm ARE webmasters.

That's all I'm saying. Bro, I'm not trying to pretend to be anything if that's the impression I gave. I know who and what I am. And I bust my ass everyday to do what I do. And I'm an open book to anyone who wants to make money with me. No mystery. No drama. I can see where you may have mistook my meaning. But I never intended my words to convey that people weren't shit unless I knew them. Not at all.

You are completely wrong because I hide shit but it's not because it's illegal it's because I have a lot of fun flaming people and I do such a good job at it that they want to seek revenge.

Your eyes weren't opened you just got a hardon because you might have found some incriminating info on trespassers into your industry.

[Robbie]

Yeah, you're a real board master...

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And I've been in a few conversations with people on ICQ tonight about this shit. And we all are in agreement that there is always a BAD reason for someone to join a webmaster forum and then do nothing but brag and all the while try to hide what you do.

So you wonder why I asked you what you do? And where are your sites? Now you know. And this will be the last time I speak to you, I was actually having fun with that fucking scumbag ps but now I have learned my lesson.

If nobody knows who you are. And nobody does legit business with you. Then I want nothing to do with you.

That's not directed at you personally...but in general for every magical mystery millionaire on here who nobody seems to know. Fuck 'em all.

I've noticed a couple of your posts lately. I can't help but wonder if you ever shut the fuck up?

Nobody voted you Sheriff around here so why don't you and your bad self just take a step back. K thx.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm just saying that this whole thing opened my eyes. It's plain as day on here when people brag about how rich they are and how much money they make in this business...but nobody has a clue who they are and nobody does any business with them.

But damn man. I thought for sure that it was just a bunch of wannabe's. Now I'm thinking...hell, maybe they are really hiding what they do because it's illegal.

I'm just saying that from now on, no more fun and games with these guys. I'm not going to fuck with any of them anymore on GFY. I don't want to be associated with people on a webmaster board that I can't even confirm ARE webmasters.

That's all I'm saying. Bro, I'm not trying to pretend to be anything if that's the impression I gave. I know who and what I am. And I bust my ass everyday to do what I do. And I'm an open book to anyone who wants to make money with me. No mystery. No drama. I can see where you may have mistook my meaning. But I never intended my words to convey that people weren't shit unless I knew them. Not at all.

I do biz with quite a few people on GFY

and they ... like me ... can care less to kow you or not

for some reason the whole "bro" joke went to your head and you took the term seriously

we are all just fuckin people trying to earn a buck

I could have made you a lot of money... on a lot of things

as I am sure others would may have thought about reaching out and possibly doing biz with.... you have shown you are not worthy

why would someone want to do biz with you if their biz model is worth anything???

you carry yourself like a troll

and even now you make false accusations about me???? Why?

for what reason?

what will you gain except to make people fear doing biz with you??

I dont understand your logic ...... FYI... I do make a ton of money..

FYI... none of it is related to any of the bullshit you said it was

and I do half the work of most

in adult and mainstream

but whatever floats your boat buddy.....

chose your battles wisely as I told you months ago... you have not even scratched the surface of who I am and what have you gained from all this??

If anything you just gave the GFY surfers a new forum to visit ... thanks for the data ... my greedy databases eat constantly

[Black_Widow]

Originally Posted by Alky

didnt you say your tubesite did like 1 sale every week and was pushing like 50k daily?

NO, I did not say that.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Are you sure the traffic isn't from men's bathroom graffiti?

fuck motherfucker, you're a genius. i can at least double my traffic with this ploy. why hadn't i thought of this earlier. i'm going to start carrying a magic marker everywhere i go. maybe make up stencil and spraypaint my shit on overpasses...

[DarkJedi]

pussyserver

what a fucking idiot you are

[Robbie]

ps, what the fuck are you talking about? I haven't made any false accusations about you. And newsflash...Eric saw what was on your site as well. I'd tread real lightly here if I were you.

[pornask]

Originally Posted by Alky

didnt you say your tubesite did like 1 sale every week and was pushing like 50k daily?

Dude, your avatar is fucking creepy

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

ps, what the fuck are you talking about? I haven't made any false accusations about you. And newsflash...Eric saw what was on your site as well. I'd tread real lightly here if I were you.

Why are you trying to draw Eric into your fucking shit pile??

You started all this ... and now you want to bring Eric in??

Stand on your own man ... stand on your own

You siad I had some llegal stuff up but you didnt tell me where so I cant even delete it if its true

Its called a damn forum ... it has 6500 members ... I cannot police every post

if you are so concerned one of my users posted something... then let me know... dont come with this bullshit and all these bullshit excuses for your mental issues

just point it out

http://www.iknowthedomain.com/linkto...kingabout.html

just change the domain name

[Black_Widow]

What a joke. This ghetto fool is using explotedblackteens.com design in his header.
Couldn't spare 20 bucks for design. Broke ass bitch.

[Robbie]

I have already told you...I'm not the one who found your shit. It was uncovered while data was being collected against you for linking up tons of stolen content and rewarding your forum members with "points" and I was told about it via ICQ. Turns out they got rewarded for posting pics in your forum too. And guess what the pics had in them? And yes, I originally DID post straight to the link.

Then I realized what I had done about 10 seconds later and I ICQ'ed Eric and told him that I had gotten upset when I saw that shit and asked him to delete my post. He did and was disgusted also by what he saw on your site.

I apologized to him for disrespecting his house and that was that.

But why do you care? He's just another one of the people that you said: "honestly no one gives a shit who you talked to on ICQ on the phone on the moon or wherever"

I'm not the one coming after you by the way. I have no desire to come after you. You dug your own grave when you came on GFY and started telling everyone how rich and important you are.

[pocketkangaroo]

I don't know what's legal or not in regards to that stuff, but having pictures of 10 year old girls in bikinis on a porn forum is pretty fucked up.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I don't know what's legal or not in regards to that stuff, but having pictures of 10 year old girls in bikinis on a porn forum is pretty fucked up.

It's probably perfectly legal. But you saw it. You know what the intent was. And why would ps give his members "reward points" for posting that shit if he doesn't know anything about it?

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I have already told you...I'm not the one who found your shit. It was uncovered while data was being collected against you for linking up tons of stolen content and rewarding your forum members with "points" and I was told about it via ICQ. Turns out they got rewarded for posting pics in your forum too. And guess what the pics had in them? And yes, I originally DID post straight to the link.

Then I realized what I had done about 10 seconds later and I ICQ'ed Eric and told him that I had gotten upset when I saw that shit and asked him to delete my post. He did and was disgusted also by what he saw on your site.

I apologized to him for disrespecting his house and that was that.

But why do you care? He's just another one of the people that you said: "honestly no one gives a shit who you talked to on ICQ on the phone on the moon or wherever"

I'm not the one coming after you by the way. I have no desire to come after you. You dug your own grave when you came on GFY and started telling everyone how rich and important you are.

lol users give each other points .... I dont give anything except cash and PAID MEMBERSHIPS to websites for those with the most points

you have yet to show me what you are talking about

dont post the domain just post from the / on

dont you want me to know if its some fucked up stuff on one of my forums? or are you really as disgusted as you say???

or are you just blowing hot air....


I have no respect for a man who cannot stand on his owm

Eric dosent need you to be a voice box for him ... I am sure if the man wanted to say something he would ... you should stand on your own and stop trying to use him

its official you are a retard

have a good life robbie

im done talking to you

[Robbie]

I never said I was a "voice" for Eric. I responded to your lies (saying that I was making it all up) by pointing out that several people including Eric saw what was on your site. That's all.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

It's probably perfectly legal. But you saw it. You know what the intent was. And why would ps give his members "reward points" for posting that shit if he doesn't know anything about it?

you are an idiot

the points is called a karma system

members give each other points

and there is no fuckin 10 year old anything on anything I own

point it out to me and I will epass you 50 bucks

otherwise stop the false accusations

my users know that posting young girls will get them in trouble when I get around to the site

[klaze]

Pussyserver if you are running content forums and rewarding members for their submissions that are illegal you are in the wrong.

I use the term illegal loosely to generalize.

I haven't seen a link or anyone aside from Robbie to confirm the accusations tho..

I did see some "13 yearold prison sentance" thread but it was just a video of a chick shakin her ass on youtube????

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I never said I was a "voice" for Eric. I responded to your lies (saying that I was making it all up) by pointing out that several people including Eric saw what was on your site. That's all.

so why want you help me to remove it by telling me where its at??

you are full of shit

and it sucks that your false accusations will proably go unpunished

thats like some troll posting something here and you accusing lens of posting it

its a forum...

The good thing is I am sure that everyone knows what a retard you are now

you have owned yourself

and at the next show just realize that people are thinking about what a retard you are while they shake your hand for your traffic

lmao

...... have you figured out what you gained from all this yet?