Mike H

Anyone have suggestions for Canadian Adult webmasters? We seem to be screwed by visa and CCBILL

Help would be greatly appreciated

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In what way? I don't have a paysite so I'm not up to speed on the details.

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Mike H

What are canadian adult webmasters doing to resolve this issue with Visa?

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Shoplifter

USA or EU Incorporation.

Mike H

ok this is the thing.. I'm canadian and CCBILL Told Me to incorporate. ($330) I did that. Next they wanted a U.S. business address. ($300) Got one. They require a u.s. fed tax ID got that. and i got a tax ID ($25) in the states.

CCBILL TOLD ME I WOULD BE FINE AT THIS POINT

What they failed to tell me was......



on CCBILL's registration they need us us drivers licence or a passport. how can i provide that if i'm a canadian citizen?

CCBILL has given me till the 31st of october to get this. I have paid $625 U.S. to get what ccbill said i should get to be fine

Now their rules change at the last moment.

sexyclicks

that's why I'm waiting 6 months before I do something
and for sure I will not stay with ccbill after

Shoplifter

I haven't seen the CCbill form, did they absolutely say it has to be US ID?

If so you can get a nominee corporate officer to do it. It may cost somewhat more but that seems to be the answer.

[The Leader]

I don't think there's much Canadian webmasters can do with ccbill. Try an alternate processor...
acpay.com
globill.com

however I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen with rebills. :-(

Indeed

I don't think it's a good idea to incorporate now as we are not even sure if it's going to be enough. I heard they will require a physical presence in USA by a principal of the company. If this is true, it means there is no way you will be able to continue to process whit the big 3 processors onless you move to USA which I doubt is an easy thing with the current terrorist situation. Not to mention we work in porn which isn't a good thing when you apply for a US citizenship. I guess there is no other choice but to go with companies such as glo-bill, probillling, pswbilling, acpay, verotel, 2000 charge etc...

Mike H

How do I get a nominee corporate officer? what is that?

Mike H

And lose all rebills


According to CCBIll Visa will sue these small companies $25,000/url for not registering high risk sites

Shoplifter

Again you can do this with a nominee who is a USA citizen and resident. You guys have got to talk with your lawyers.

There is still the potential IRS hassle, and unless your rebills are really worth it I feel it is probably best to walk away to one of the International processors.

Mike H

They ask for U.S. drivers licence and in which state
So unless we have states in canada I'm assuming 100% U.S. drivers licence is required

Mike H

CCBILL
The company that just fucked me for 100's of u.s. becasue of their professional advice and excellent customer service. I'm stuck with a $625 bill after incorpoating etc. yadda yadda when they won't even process visa 4 me. If this was they case and i explained my situation why would their sales agents,
accounting dept tell me to register as an LLC costing me $$$ when ultimately i have to switch companies taking another loss of my rebills?

CCBILL

Indeed

no of course...but if you have to live in USA, own a passport, a driver liscence etc...you lose the rebills AND all the fees for the incorporation, that's all I'm saying . The incorporation is useless if VISA require a physical presence of ones of the principals. And I doubt a friend or a nobody that live in USA would be considered as a principal by VISA. All I'm saying is that all cc processors are contraticting themselves and therefore aren't trustable. Some say that the VISA fee is this and that, others say there is no fee for foreign webbmasters, some say they will handle the fee, some say they will stop paying webmasters if they don't register, some say they will continue to process Canada, some say they will stop, some say they will continue to process Europe, some not etc etc etc etc etc....I'm sorry but the fact is that november is coming really fast and no one seem to know what the rules actually are. And what about the people that aren't visiting this forum? Do you think they have a clue of what's going on? Why everything was announced here? I think it's simply because MutiBill and some others came here and let the cat out of the bag. Otherwise, I bet that many of you would not even be aware of these rules.

Shark

The Visa rebills will be lost for good on Nov15 if you don't comply..

EU region incorporation seems to be a better option from what I can see for Non US webmasters.

Luke

So what is going to be the actual outcome of this?

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directfiesta

Sad, very sad. And we are supposed to be their buddies ...

You lost your money. I went that route ( In Delaware) about 3 years ago. They also asked for a "us presence", an officer of the company. Which of your friends will you expose to IRS, RICO and all other obscenety cases that any small fucking pothole county sheriff can launch... I wouldn't even do that to my ennemies .. well maybe to a few people at Ibill.

Your rebills: LOST , but email them and get them to join on a new processor

Your corporation money : LOST

Your time : LOST

Its time to move on:

- Globill seems OK ( I am also with them for the past 9 months)
- Get an European processor ( ACpay, Probill, etc....

Make your site more appealing, harder than most US stuff. Promote your non-US basis as no censorship, client privacy,


But yes, you and I are fucked, but like "Freddy" Ill be back.....

CoolE

I think there is a misunderstanding. The US driver's license number (and state) is required for American owners, and passport number is required for non-American owners (the "Principle"). You just give them your Canadian passport number.

This is what I was told by my CCBill rep, and what I have done.

I was told explicitely that Visa requires only that the company be US-based, not all or any of the owners. They do however want something solid to tie the owner to the company (ie a passport number) so if that company gets the boot from Visa for chargebacks (or anything else?), then they can stop the owner from just re-registering with Visa with a newly setup company.

Give em your Canadian passport number and Canadian address (under the "Principle" section) and you are set. :o)

That is my understanding and I'm pretty sure that I have not been misinformed.

archer

this visa shit is the one reason i've put off doing a pay site. I'm waiting for all this crap to settle down and see what's really what. Maybe by the new year it'll all be sorted out.

in this, i'm a conspiracy theorist. i fully believe that it's ploy the US IRS to track money down. It's bad enough to disclose info to Revenue Canada but i won't do it for the IRS or US VISA.

But this is speaking as a small fish in a big ocean. If one is big enough, then you gotta do what ya gotta do.

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mrthumbs

www.monster.com and sell your sites to me..

Bear

How about sell your rebill to you? You take a % of my rebill each month.

Marcus

one of the canadian sponsors I promote switched from iBill to probilling and i just had to sign up for a new affiliate code with probilling...so far so good.

corvette

CoolE has the right idea?


I will tell you what I know, some of you may already know this?


Visa international rules are that there can be no cross-border processing for visa transactions.

Canada and the US are in separate visa regions

Either the IPSP needs to be in Canada or the there needs to be a company presence in the US. Those are the rules

Currently, there aren?t any Canadian acquiring banks that process these types of visa transactions. We are doing everything that we can to continue to process for our customers but we need to play by the rules that VISA had set. We want to stay in the game, long term and you need to make the decisions that will enable you to do the same. We tell you what we know, as we find it out.

Our sales staff is regularly briefed on what we know as it comes in. Your best bet is to call your sales rep and discuss what your options are...If for any reason you want to talk with somebody else, feel free to email me with your questions and I will do my best to get them answered?I will probably not be around all night, though

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Rochard

Stop ripping into CCBill....... CCBill isn't doing this, it's Visa. And since this is brand new and never been done before and when a problem or question comes up they have to go to Visa to deal with it. CCBill is giving your the best advice they can based on what information they have.

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HS-Trixxxia

corvett, just a simple question if (I'm partnering with one of your present customers which are a canadian company) but I'm european and can provide an address and all important id in europe however I don't have company registered yet, can I my info be used in the meantime to continue the rebills while the company/incorporation is registered?

corvette

Trixxxia,

send me an email and I will have somebody get in contact with you. I am not sure that I clearly understand the question.

Thanks

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HS-Trixxxia

Ok........but maybe it may help someone else on the board so I'll clarify it here also.

One of your customers is situated in Canada he can't get a partner in time to comply with the US rules. He contacts me, I am european and have the documents supporting it, however I don't have a company - if I partner with him, can my personal european id, address, passport...etc....be used (until the paper work is done to incorporate a company) in order for him not too lose his rebills? Or does a company named ABC (the same as in Canada) have to be incorporated prior to the deadline in order for him not to lose his rebills?

Shoplifter

You don't have to be incorporated at all. Everyone was doing that in the USA as it was the only way to get a tax ID. If you have a US Tax ID or SSN or a EU business address you meet the requirements.

HS-Trixxxia

Shoplifter,
I don't have a business address but a residential address in Europe. (I don't think that would make a difference)
Quite frankly, it's not an interest of setting up shop for us,
but perhaps helping someone who stands to loose more because they can't get setup in time for the deadline. If it would make it easier for someone to work it this way until they can get their company set up in the US (and save the rebills in the meantime) then we may be interested to help them out.

Bear

Actually, if you want to setup corp in EU, you might consider Gibraltar. It's a great place to setup company and it only takes few days.

codemebaby

Why do they gotta fuck with canada.

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Mike H

Is a candian passport acceptable to CCBILL if I have incoporated in the U.S. and if I have a Tax Id and a U.S. forwarding mailing address??

Mike H

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jennycards

Here comes my U.S. passport number: GFY12345

Do you really think VISA will be able to check if that number is correct?

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BJ

keep thinking that, while further adding to the problem

Mike H

Might catch up with you sooner or later.....

directfiesta

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As A Canadian , that is were we are getting fucked. If CCbill or Ibill or whoever could have a bank processing these transactions, THEY would setup shop in Canada.

I have been at this since 1997, first with Internet Secure. Got cancelled because of content ( not chargebacks). Then we used our merchant account of our retail stores. Got put on notice to stop right away, otherwise the Nova Scotia Bank would cancell ALL dealings with us ( everyting). We had less than 0.02 % of chargebacks.

And so On ... Talking Friday to Visa Canada, they obvioulsly don't want to get involved in the adult business, tough you can pay whores with a credit card ( I do when I produce content). But the "card" is present ....

This now becomes a politocal issue, where no politicians will want to get involved....

Still doesn't excuse the lousy work of Ibill, CCbill, etc ... in addressing specific problems of these specific accounts.

I just hope that Canada does the same. To accept members from Canada, you MUST have a Canadian corporation, Tax Id , etc....

Mike H

OK Canadian ADULT webmasters I got a solution so listen up! Its gonna cost you $$$$ extra and I'll tell you that upfront. But it works!!! This will only apply if you stay with CCBILL IBill etc.
Go Here to incorporate in any state I'll reccomend Delaware or Nevada

https://www.ailcorp.com/ $330
you'll get a inc.
tax Id etc. $25
then ask for a mailing address too $300
Get a passport at your local government office ~$50-$100

Done! You can stay with CCBILL Ibill etc

Hope this helps Guys!!!

kronic

Beware Canadian webmasters.

I heard that you not only need a U.S. Corporation, but you will soon need to have actual employees on the payroll working in the U.S. as well.

Mike H

Where did you hear this? And since when is it law to the amount of people you have to have in a corp? According to CCBill the above message meets all standards

directfiesta

Would Minnie Mouse or Daffy duck do?

Mike H

Or How about Clinton? Couldn't he and Monica work for us?

schilli

I use Verotel -- they're from Holland and the new regulations do not apply. For details check out:

http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/mak...04000000101815


Can ya dig it?!

Mike H

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