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Old 08-11-2008, 05:45 PM   #51
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Ok well my lack of knowledge about natural gas cars notwithstanding....I still don't think it's a great idea.

The wind thing is fine, but I don't like the idea of natural gas cars. As was posted before, why replace one expensive fossil fuel with another?

My personal preference is nuclear power, lots and lots and lots of nuclear power to light up the power grid....and electric cars that will get their juice from the same power grid.

Then we can spend all those billions of dollars on technologies to safely dispose of or recycle the waste material.


I'm with you on this one!
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:50 PM   #52
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Is there really a lack of electricity? Coal is virtually inexhaustible in America and with a bit of technology, coal plants can be made much cleaner than they are today. The only reason your electricity bill has gone up 2X in the past 3 years is because banks like Morgan Stanly and Citigroup now own electric companies. They don't own any powerlines, they just buy and sell electricity. So they are a non-value added milddleman and jack up the price. Same with natural gas.

Wind power would be great. But if you let the same companies run it, you will be in the same boat. And that's what these guys like T. Boone Pickens want. They will eventually charge the same price for electricity but they'll be able to produce it for cheaper. Energy companies will make more money and everyday people will pay the same.
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the same situation is occuring here in the southwest with solar power. in the last 18 months private companies have been gobbling up land to setup solar arrays and make bank. all i'll get out of it is an eye sore when i drive and walk the desert.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:52 PM   #53
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Seriously... take the propaganda somewhere else! Your talking points don't mean anything to real Americans! But, since your so well educated on the subject, perhaps you can enlighten some of us simpletons?

First, maybe you can explain to us how much oil there is, how much we could extract, and why it would have so little effect?

Then, help us understand how adding tens of millions of barrels a day
in DOMESTIC supply has a negative effects on our economy? And how created a new, source of money to invest in renewable energy technology is again, not worth it?

Lastly, while you at it, please enlighten us as to how none of this would help to strengthen the US economy/dollar and how a stronger dollar would not mean lower prices for oil?
First off, this is not going to strengthen the dollar. Raising interest rates will strengthen the dollar. Not printing money for banks like it was going out of style will strengthen the dollar.

I think the issue with drilling offshore is two-fold. First being that it's going to take at least half a decade before any of this enters our country. And just because it's drilled domestically doesn't mean we get access to it all. It means the oil companies do, and they can sell it to anyone they please. Sure it raises supply and thus could lower cost, but even the experts have said it's likely to have a minimal effect on the amount of oil that we consume.

The other is of course that this is just another band-aid. The country needs to focus on new fuel sources and fast. It needs to have a plan in place for replacing fossil fuels in the next 10-20 years. Does this simply delay the inevitable?

I'm for it only if it involves a huge push in alternative energy to go with it. Also if it's guaranteed to be safe for the environment. No destroying huge patches of the ocean so I can fill my tank up for a few pennies less. Drilling is a band-aid, and a poor one at that.
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