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The modern-day South Ossetia was annexed by Russia in 1801. Later with many turmoils it became part of Soviet Union where it proclaimed part of Georgia (although ,originally it was not part of it).This was political decision.

Russians here on forum, is this true?

Uhmm hold on a sec. Georgia did not attack first.
Ossetians fired Artillery into Georgia and kicked off Georgia's reaction to eliminate the separatists. Ossetians went Gorilla/insurgent tactics with the separatist movement and inflicted damage on Georgian territory from it's so called Autonomous region FIRST.

It's true that Georgian Military was very near the area well before hand, but the first shot came out of Ossetia with Artillary.

So lets get the facts straight on how this is going as it unfolds OK?
Thanks.

Uh oh looks like Russia is not going to stop. The Russians have sunk a Georgian boat carrying missile launchers in the Black Sea and there is heavy bombing in Gori. The bbc news have just said they are now entering Georgia territory. They are not acknowledging the ceasfire by the Georgians and have basicly told the USA and UN to get stuffed. Now the USA is saying Russia is mounting a campaigne of terror but Russia replied with " The USA did the same with Iraq" ...bad times ahead by the looks of it or back to the cold war between the USA/Western Europe and Russia. Wonder how long or far this conflict will go.

They’ve been saying it for 17 years NOW.. 17 .. 17.. 17... All of a sudden it made the headline news and Georgians launch assault. Which part of “17 years” you cant grasp?

Many things can be seen different if we roll back in time. Back in time America was invaded and people were killed. Current days there is Georgia and it has Ossetia as its autonomy and Ossetia wanted to be separate country....

Facts are:
November 1989 - South Ossetia declares its autonomy from the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic, triggering three months of fighting.

December 1990 - Georgia and South Ossetia begin a new armed conflict which lasts until 1992.

June 1992 - Russian, Georgian and South Ossetian leaders meet in Sochi, sign an armistice and agree the creation of a tripartite peacekeeping force of 500 soldiers from each entity.

November 1993 - South Ossetia drafts its own constitution.

November 1996 - South Ossetia elects its first president.

December 2000 - Russia and Georgia sign an intergovernment agreement to re-establish the economy in the conflict zone.

December 2001 - South Ossetia elects Eduard Kokoity as president, in 2002 he asks Moscow to recognise the republic's independence and absorb it into Russia.

January 2005 - Russia gives guarded approval to Georgia's plan to grant broad autonomy to South Ossetia in exchange for dropping its bid for independence.

November 2006 - South Ossetia overwhelmingly endorses its split with Tbilisi in a referendum. Georgia's prime minister says this is part of a Russian campaign to stoke a war.

April 2007 - Georgia's parliament approves a law to create a temporary administration in South Ossetia, raising tension with Russia.

June 2007 - South Ossetian separatists say Georgia attacked Tskhinvali with mortar and sniper fire. Tbilisi denies this.

October 2007 - Talks hosted by the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe between Georgia and South Ossetia break down.

March 2008 - South Ossetia asks the world to recognise its independence from Georgia, following the West's support for Kosovo's secession from Serbia.

March 2008 - Georgia's bid to join NATO, though unsuccessful, prompts Russia's parliament to urge the Kremlin to recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

April 2008 - South Ossetia rejects a Georgian power-sharing deal, insists on full independence.

August 2008 - Fighting breaks out between Georgian and separatist South Ossetian forces. Georgia says its forces have "freed" the greater part of the Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.

Watch CNN and don't bother to post here.

Don't need drugs to state facts...... I forgot some facts hurt ....... (talking about the bandwidth leeching!)

December 2001 - South Ossetia elects Eduard Kokoity as president, in 2002 he asks Moscow to recognise the republic's independence and absorb it into Russia.

I guess it made a new fire spiral since that move. And as AlienQ noticed there was a artillery shooting Georgian territories first, so it jsut blew up all of a sudden, as u jsut said.

I don't have CNN and GFY is a better/faster news source.

crazy ruskis

Correct. Until Georgia pull back their army.

Yes and yes.

Formally Ossetia is Georgian territory and Russian already was there since 1994 according to the international mandate.

Till Georgian army is still on South Ossetian territory.

I wonder too.

I have yet to read a single intelligent post from you.
Yes it was total coincidence that Georgians had entire arsenal parked on the boarder and it was complete coincidence they were all loaded and ready to advance in to Ossetia.

Usa
 

So when Serbian forces were fighting muslim terroritsts in Kosovo, Americans bombed them and if Georginas kill 1400 people in direct bombing of city during FIRST NIGHT, that's ok and they are blaming Russians to help citizens with russian passports?:error

Who is crazy here?
Those are fucking double standards. Russian government told when it was time, don't do shit with Kosovo,it will be domino effect,and will spread all over the world. No one didn't want to listen. Then, they should keep their mouth closed and beg that as less as possible people die there.

Actually it did. Seems have are completely lost in time :2 cents:

Dude, who gives a fuck about your bandwidth here? Seriously.

Yes, all of a sudden. The maps were drawn out, artillery ready to go.. All of a sudden, just like in those play station games you like so much..

Think Georgia is in for one hell of a battering and I dont think western Europe or the USA are. or dont want to get involved with fighting the Russians ( who ever said the Russians did not have the military might or money to fight anymore were kinda wrong)

If you are trying to say there is a reading between lines then I think both sides wanted a formal sign to do it.

Believe me, Russia has a similar nuclear power as the USA. Actually the USA has more warheads, but Russian warheads have a bigger power (we have more strategic nuclear WMD's but less tactical ones). I.e. there is an absolute parity.

If the open USA vs Russia war will start - the Earth will be destroyed. Sad but true.

Best post in this thread so far......... so much crap being said left and right... this makes it a bit more clear ..... thanks m8 :thumbsup

Dude grow some skin ... SERIOUSLY ....

what? now in english please.

They are entering Gori which is not part of Ossetia, Maybe they will take the whole of Georgia. Russia have also said they want President Saakashvili to leave Georgia

from yur saying i understood that you claim Georgians were set ready waiting for a formal sing to start this war. I think Russians were set ready too and been waiting for a formal sign to step in.

Thanks babe, that was a really useful suggestions - have no idea how can I live without it :)

They haven't told you all. Russia wants Saakashvili get sued as a war criminal. But it's a secret yet (telling you that confidentially as a secret KGB spy on GFY) :winkwink:

is a basic rule here in GFY.... ur welcome :thumbsup

Russians didn’t have to be ready. “Ready” would be making a giant soccer field in place of Tbilisi with few Topol rockets. Now that would be ready.. They just did what would any country with substantial interest and power would do. Lets not forget that there are very few countries that have capability to protect its and its allies’ geopolitical interests with out stretching out the hand.. Georgians hoped for a handout, but that didn’t work. That’s what happens when you bluff..

Moe and larry With combined IQ of 100. All you need is to get headless to play Curly.

hoping for a handout facing usa and russia is kinda crazy. thats middle life crisis i think. so what was the reason to suddenly go into this war? Fucking facts and links please.

are you trying to say that AlienQ's summary is in some way retarded? Are you fucking serious? If you see the comment you just referenced I was making a comment on AlienQ's summary of what's going on... and with so many people discrediting CNN .. it is nice for someone to lay down some basics as to what is going on instead of going around circles........

Ok, I'm at a loss here.. so far all articles I read and BBC/CNN all said Georgia attacked first.. do you have an URL stating otherwise?

The conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia has intensified after the rebel region’s territory was shelled late on Friday and early on Saturday, as a result of which six people were killed and 13 wounded. South Ossetia accused Georgian forces of shelling its territory while Georgia blamed the separatists for provoking armed clashes.

http://www.newsarmenia.net/news23804.htm

You are dense.
Ossatian Separatists fired on Georgia on THursday killing 10 Georgians. The separatists attacked first you meat head.

A year or two back Georgia fired on Ossatian forces and it was resolved diplomatically in the Initial Georgian attack a couple years ago there were no fatilaities.

The thing that triggered this all on Thursday was Ossatian Artillary fire killing 10 Georgians inside Georgia understand?

OK Cool.


Fuck man... Jeeses. You do not even know where this things starts do ya?

FUCK Whats with you people?

"The situation in South Ossetia escalated rapidly from Thursday night, when Georgia said it launched an operation into the region AFTER artillery fire from separatists killed 10 people. It accused Russia of backing the separatists."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe...ef=mpstoryview


FUCKKKKKK!

Georgia cracks under Moscow?s military pressure as Russian planes bomb Tbilisi internationational airport

DEBKAfile Special Report and Analysis

August 10, 2008, 8:17 PM (GMT+02:00)
Russian armor pours into South Ossetia and Abkhazia

Russian armor pours into South Ossetia and Abkhazia

Russian planes bombed Tbilisi international airport and a military airfield near the capital Sunday evening Aug. 10, after Georgia handed the Russian embassy in Tbilisi a desperate message offering to halt military action in South Ossetia and withdraw its troops from the region. Russian forces were then reported to be on the way to invading the Georgian town of Gori after moving in on the second Georgian breakaway province of Abkhazia.

The Russian president Dimitry Medvedev rejected the Georgian appeal and said the war would go on until Tbilisi withdrew its forces unconditionally from South Ossetia and pledged never to attack the region again. This is tantamount to Georgia accepting its truncation and surrender to Russian hegemony.

DEBKAfile reports that the Russian jets pulverized Gori, leaving hundreds dead, to punish Georgian for invading the South Ossetian capital of Tskhvingali last Thursday.

The air raids of the two Georgian airports took place as the US began flying hundreds of Georgian troops home from Iraq, leaving them nowhere to land.

During the day, Russian soldiers and marines entered Abkhazia, Georgia's second breakaway province, by land and from Russian Black Sea naval vessels, which were ordered to block Georgian ports against arms delivery by sea. This opened a third front in Russia?s war with Georgia on Day Three of the armed conflict.

At midday, Ukrainian military circles indicated the possibility of closing Russia?s main Black Sea base of Sevastopol to naval ships on their way back from blockading Georgian ports.

The US has drafted a resolution condemning Russia in third UN Security Council session later Sunday.

In the face of President George W. Bush?s demand for an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops and support for international mediation, Moscow poured an additional 10,000 men and armor into South Ossetia Sunday as well - and Russian jets bombed a military airfield outside the Georgian capital of Tbilisi.

Under heavy fire, Georgia ?temporarily? pulled its soldiers from the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali, but stayed in the region and denied it was surrendering. President Mikhail Saakashvili asked the United States to act as mediator with Moscow and appealed to the Russians to stop ?this madness.?

That was Sunday morning.

Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin, for his part, accused Georgia of ethnic cleansing. As disputed casualty figures climbed, civilians were increasingly bearing the brunt of the bloodshed and hardship.

Two Georgian towns, Gori and the Black Sea naval, military and oil port of Poti, also took casualties and heavy damage from Russian air strikes. A third town, Zugdidi on Abkhazian border, was targeted Sunday.

DEBKAfile?s military analysts: By flouting US demands to accept mediation, Moscow highlights America?s lack of leverage for helping its embattled Georgian ally. The Bush administration has trapped itself in its foreign policy commitment to dialogue and international diplomacy for solving world disputes but is short of willing opposite numbers.

Russia is following Iran?s example in exploiting Washington's inhibition to advance its goals by force. Therefore, the Caucasian standoff has profound ramifications for the Middle East and Persian Gulf. Moscow?s disdain for Washington?s lack of muscle will further encourage Tehran and its terrorist proxies to defy the international community and the United States in particular.

DEBKAfile?s military analysts reported Saturday: Tiny Georgia with an army of less than 18,000, having been roundly defeated in South Ossetia, cannot hope to withstand the mighty Russian army in Abkhazia.Therefore, President Saakashvili, who had bid to join NATO, must consider both breakaway regions lost to Georgia and gained by Russia.

This is Moscow's payback for the US-NATO success in detaching Kosovo from Serbia and approving its independence. It is also a warning to Ukraine, the Caucasus and Central Asia against joining up with the United States and the NATO bloc in areas which Moscow deems part of its strategic sphere of influence

After seizing South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia, four follow-up Russian steps may be postulated:

1. The two separatist provinces will proclaim their independence, just like Kosovo.

2. Russia will continue to exercise its overwhelming military and air might to force the pro-American Saakashvili?s capitulation.

3. The Georgian president will not survive in office long after losing two regions of his country and national humiliation. Moscow aims to make Washington swallow a pro-Russian successor.

4. Moscow?s trampling of Georgia will serve as an object lesson for Russia?s own secessionist provinces such as Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushettia not to risk defying Russian armed might.

why are the russians in atlanta?

I just wonder what needs to be said/done to make you realize that CNN is not really the right source for this issue to get your facts from ? Neither is BBC. :Oh crap

Awright well then cool.

How about you goto fucking Georgia and find out for us dick head?

CNN told you that? Ah, ok then :winkwink:

http://situbusit.files.wordpress.com...to-believe.jpg

Whether Georgia shot first or Ossetia shot first, im curious about how bold a move it was from Russia knowing what the global response would be....... they're really pushing things and it looks like Russia used Georgia's action as an excuse to do what its doing.

At the end of the day, I wonder whether Putin being in Beijing at the time of the action wasnt in some way organised into the plan...... contingency i.e. just in case there was a major response from the west then Russia would have continuity of government. Now i know the olympic ceremony took away some of the media attention but maybe Putin's presence outside of Russia was contrived in some way.

How about you to stop talking about things you know nothing about ?

It shows your stupidity too much you ignorant fuckface...

If that's truth, seems Russia still decided to catch Saakashvili's ass and cut off all the possible ways to escape - both: by sea and by air. As far as you may know, Mr. Medvedev said: "Everyone who is responsible for the act of genocide will be punished". Hope he will do that he has promised to the country...

Russia knew that the global responce would consist of "words" and meetings and nothing more. Besides Russia has never listend to Nato or the USA. The USA or the West wouldent want to even consider going to war with Russia I think they have enough on there hands already. But the timing was sure good

Sorry, I believe you have confused a few words. You wanted to say this:

"Whether Georgia shot first or Ossetia shot first, im curious about how bold a move it was from Georgia knowing what Russian response would be....... they're really pushing things and it looks like Georgia used Russian's action as an excuse to do what its doing.

At the end of the day, I wonder whether Putin being in Beijing at the time of the action wasn't in some way organized into the plan...... contingency i.e. just in case there was a major response from Russia then Georgia would kill thousands of Ossetians. Now I know the Olympic ceremony took away some of the media attention but maybe Putin's presence outside of Russia was used by Saakashvili for his failed blitzkrieg."

Right?

You are wrong Sir. Russia was always listened to Nato and the USA. As you of course don't know (because CNN will never tell you that), Russia has left heir bases in Georgia long before the terms of international agreement in exchange for Saakashvili's word that were will be no foreign bases in Georgia. Right after that the USA military came to Georgia...

Guys, you are soooooooooooo brainwashed :disgust

Yup yer right. I can give two shits about this part of the world or it's people. I claim ignorance because this area is an unimportant wasteland of fucking idiots fighting over stupid shit that does not matter one fucking bit to the world.

Let's hope alot of them die and perhaps we can look forward to less spyware and leeching bot's and massive amounts of internet fraud.

SO let the blood pour hard...

I love stupid war's where people kill each senselessly under the influence of some retarded sense of Nationalism or Religeon. It's all pointless and stupid.

I will Enjoy watching you dumb Old Eastern Block fucks kill each other off. Bye bye!

I mean let's face it, all them Old School Eastern Block cunts hate Americans more than anyone or anything anyway's these days.

So enjoy yourselves falling back into Old Cold War Era shit, I very much look forward to seeing less of you fucks spamming these boards and my EMail box.

OH yeah and one thing can be certain...

Not a single ounce of American blood will drop for you stupid Eastern Block dipshits:)

Ta ta:) We won't be comming to save you, that is pretty much guranteed.

Ya got no Oil and are the trailer trash of the white race that insist's on war that means absolutly fucking nothing.

You mean the countries like Poland and Czech Republic, right? :1orglaugh

For some reason I think that the US government won't ask for your permission, so relax :winkwink: