tony286

make any points you want but please dont compare this to the nazi's.It's not even close.

Vick!

Great post indeed. Thanks for saving my time of typing..

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In France we understood that a long while ago... which is why our army sucks but we don't care because our American friends have extra supplies of guys to fry on the front anyways...

(yes, that's second degree... well, 1st and a half degree at most... :-) )

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Oh god, I'm far far far from Republican. Maybe small gov, low spending, the logical part of it. And Guns, love my guns. Otherwise, I'm super left, fell off the damn chart left.

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People are crazy. Dying for your idiot monkey president because he has some personal reasons to start a random war for oil and money and power. People think they do their country a favour while in the meantime they make shit worse and get killed while doing it. The army is for idiots.

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One of the best posts on GFY this year.

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Could we get a few more non-Americans that don't support America in the door? Just a few more should top the bullshit right off.

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I'm tend towards to agree.

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Wow the level of stupidity in this thread is truly depressing. I would consider it great honor to have a son join the military and fight for his country. Those of you who believe that the US is the primary source of evil and injustice in the world are lacking in even a fundamental understanding of history, economics or geopolitics and you also lack a basic grasp on reality.

Your inability to differentiate between living in a flawed but generally decent society like the US and suffering under the endemic corruption and brutality which is a such regular part of everyday life in much of the world indicates that you have led such a sheltered life as to have almost no idea how lucky you are.

The fact that you are so ungrateful as to have no interest in protecting the way of life which you take for granted is pitiful, but the fact that you would mock those who do sacrifice to protect that way of life is unforgivable.

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<<E A T R O A D K I L L>>

Yeah its a great honour to die for retard Bush his war for oil and power. I cant think of a bigger honour than that man.

<<E A T R O A D K I L L>>

Do you realize that the US isnt fighting for "freedom"? You really dont i think...

Sad. As in i feel really sad for you that you can be indoctrinated like that by the biggest war criminal on earth who makes people like you give up their kids to the army for his so called war on terror and fight for freedom.

blackout

First you say this:

Then This:
and I can agree with this at some level, but not every person in the military had fucked up parents. Many YOUNGER soldiers, when they first join at ages of 17 or 18 or 19, and just graduated high school, maybe they need some developing. At what point is it no longer the parents fault? My parents were failures through-and-through, and many of those reasons are why I joined. However, My buddies parents are buying a 4th vacation home in Belize, and another guy grew up in private schools, and has been to college for 4 years (successfully) and still enlisted. Are you also implying that the officers in the military are losers? College graduates, some of whom have always wanted to be in the military.

So if the "losers" only applies to enlisted soldiers,
and as I just said, many Officers have always wanted to be in the Military,
is it not possible that there is a lot enlisted soldiers who either A) Just wanted to be in the military more than going to college first (and many of whom go "Green to Gold" or the other several programs to become an officer) or B) didn't have the means to go to college first, so joined in order to get the GI Bill and go to college on a free ride? Finally, C) maybe they just wanted to join just because they could and wanted to change their life for the better, and stop smoking pot and do something with their lives.


The follow is an irrelevant and ridiculous opinion from an ignorant and self-righteous moron.
There is certainly SOME "losers" in the military services. Many don't even make it through basic training. Many get to their unit, and decide they are worthless pieces of shit and do something stupid and get kicked out, and many just get ridiculed and don't advance with their peers because of it.

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DWB

Been gone for years and don't miss a single thing. Now I laugh when I watch American news and look at what is important to the people who are still living there. It's sad really.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I am in no position of power to decide who is right and who is wrong, nor should anyone have that power. Though I do know that the American war machine has killed more INNOCENT people than any terrorist act ever has. In fact, it has killed more innocent people that ALL terrorist acts combined.

Sorry, but I just can't care much about a country that doesn't care about me or the people I love (or its people in general). If that were to ever change, perhaps my views would too.

Outside of visiting my mom from time to time, I have no plans to stay in the USA ever again. Just because I was born there, does not mean I owe the country anything. I did not choose to be born there. I OWE THE USA NOTHING (other than some back taxes).

TheDoc

The news/media is dieing a quick death because they do nothing. Don't listen to U.S. Media, the people aren't.


Most do not and did not agree with the Iraq war. Most do and still do agree with the War on Terror. The fact that innocent people died during war is part of war, you probably should hate any country you live in. And I'm sure if you really think about it you can name lots of terror through history that killed a lot more people, for a cross.

The Country isn't here to care for the people, they are here to protect the people. The people and state are here to help, and the people do a damn good job helping where they can.

You feel that you owe nothing because you already have everything and gave nothing for it. It's amazing that you have the freedom to think the way you do, do what you do, without being hung by the neck by some ass hat with shit paper rapped his head.

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Actually, I think he's talking more about the Pacific theater of WWII, i.e. Japan attacked American soil on 12-7-41 and the Muslim fundies did likewise on 9-11-01. Hence, the rally around the flag reaction in this country on both occasions.

At the time, there was in fact rather less public enthusiasm for getting involved in the war against Hitler. Of course that all changed later on.

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I really don't like the idea of violence, yet at the same time I like fighting... When you say that because people join the armed forces they and their are somehow less, is a real cheap shot to many across the entire world!

I personally think based on US policies that they are hungry for wars, but that does not mean those who are commissioned to do so are bad people... they are just following what their government is ordering...

So instead of putting down everyone IncaD, perhaps you should get educated and connected and change the policies for the good!

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I am a military brat. My father joined the Army at the age of 23 upon graduating from a four year university pre-med. His intention was to become an anesthesiologist. He went straight to the Phillipines for his first duty station. He came back for some schooling the before he could go to anesthesia school, he was sent to Vietnam. Came back.. spent 2 years in school and went back to Vietnam.

He served 22 years in the Army and retired as a full colonel (50% base pay for the rest of his life). He has since retired from a second career. All the while being a wonderful father and caring husband (my parents have been together 48 years).

Now.. I'm really glad my grandfather (a Methodist minister) didn't consider his son joining the service as an officer after completing college a failure.

I can tell you one thing. My youngest son expressed an interest in the military a few years back. My father sat him down and said no way would he let him join with the state of things currently.

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there is no honor in serving the country unless your service actually benefits the country.

if we were using the military to plunder oil from the middle east, I'd agree with you. then at least the members of the military would be fighting for something that improves America.

since WW2, the US military hasn't done anything good for the country. it has instead been a massive liability that has cost trillions. protect our way of life? No, that would be America's financial institutions who do that. soldiers or men dressed in suits on Wall Street, who are the true American heros?

military's are good only for fighting world wars. anything in between is a waste. anyone dying in between is doing so in vein.

James124

Patriotism is a noble lie told to regular people, it's a tool.to ensure a healthy amount of tax dollars to the army, and a steady flow of nitwits, signing up to do dangerous things.

DWB

What American are you talking about? The sheep are GLUED to the media and the numbers prove it. I watch it for entertainment to see what you knuckleheads are crying about this week.

You are obviously a typical brainwashed American. That's ok, someone has to be. I'm not mad at you for that. Better you than me. Keep supporting your failing currency, illegal wars and a debt that has spiraled way out of control and is beyond repair. Keep thinking you make a difference and that freedom is only given to Americans.

They believe in the war on terror because it is unpatriotic to not do so and they are fed fear 24/7, 365 days a week that their lives are in constant danger. Bullshit. The rest of the world has been dealing with this for longer than you and I have been born. Welcome to the rest of the world America, get a grip and hike up your skirt. There are always going to be terrorism, people are always going to die. Deal with it. The manner in which the USA is dealing with the issue now is only breeding more terrorists that will probably someday kill more Americans.

Not here to care for the people? Protect them from what, Godzilla? No, no... I know, from Fidel Castro. Yea, gotta protect the people from guys like him and his radical ideas. We don't want the American people to think anything other than what they are told to think. And we surly don't want them to know that Cuba has a higher literacy rate than the US does and free health care. Though I suppose we have to be protected from those sneaky Chinese. You never know what they are up to. Or... they could be protecting American jobs? No, no... those are all being outsourced these days, so they can't be protecting the peoples jobs. Sadam Hussien? No, no, they killed him already. Any idea what they are protecting us from? I'm at a loss, though I do lose sleep every night worrying about Iran. YES!!! They are protecting us from Iran and certain nuclear disaster.

But what about protecting us against fast food, poor education, higher taxes, crime and a falling currency?



Why do you people think that only the USA has freedom? In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. You need to get out more. You have only been sold on this idea, but it's one of the biggest lies ever told to the American people. "America is the greatest country on earth" is usually said by people who have never left America.

Like you, I earned everything I have by my own hands. Nobody gave it to me. I didn't get grants or loans or handouts from anyone, including the government. If anyone owes anyone, they owe ME. I have paid into their system and have received nothing in return but hassles and bullshit laws that try to put me out of business. Fuck them. Your dollar is losing ground every day, your country borrows 3 billion dollars a day just to keep afloat, your income tax just pays the interest on the debt that is owed, debt that you nor I signed up to be a part of, our cities have some of the highest crime rates in the world and our educational system is becoming one of the worst in the world. But I hear freedom will make a comeback in 2012, so it's all good.

The only thing I was ever "given" from the US government is a Social Security number that tracks me and requires me to pay a tax that just pays on the interest of their debt. Did they ever offer to pay off my debt when I was drowning in it and almost ended up on the streets over it? Nope. I also got a list of countries from them that I am not allowed to visit when I got my passport or I could be charged with "trading with the enemy" and imprisoned for visiting said countries. Yea, that sounds like real freedom to me. Here son, you can travel abroad if you go here, here, here or here, we will fine you and toss your ass in the tank. Truly pathetic.

I'm not angry with you for loving your country. But I honestly think that being a patriot these days is much like holding onto the "idea" of the best relationship you ever had, but when you get back together, things just aren't the same because shit changed and that "idea" that was great at one time or that "love" that was so special, is dead and gone.

Look, I just don't believe into the hype that is America or what it has come to stand for. If I would have been born in a different time, I would have been a patriot without question. I don't hate Americans even though I think most of them have their head up their ass. I think they are force fed shit day in, day out and it clouds their head and keeps them from searching for the real truth, that is out there should they look for it. And that truth is, America is indeed a great country, but it is far from the greatest, and the hypocrisy of American democracy is what creates such vile hatred for the country. They deny the rest of the world everything from food to weapons simply because that country does not "play ball" with them and stroke their cock. Then those countries suddenly become enemies and some even invaded over nothing. Civilians killed in cold blood over nothing. Well, over grumpy, greedy and power hungry old men who want to rule the world and are doing a pretty bang up job doing so. What is that old quote... Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Speaking of quotes... The day we lost the meaning of this quote, was when we lost our way and when "America" died:

A government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth. ~ Abraham Lincoln

DWB

you nailed it right on the head.

DWB

The ugly truth: The Chinese

Without them we would already be a bankrupt and non-functioning country.

scubadiver626

Some kids do need this...my cousin is a dumb ass 17 year old drug dealer and He wants to go into the marines...I told him good maybe they can knock the stupid out of you...Some kids just need it cause they are useless fuck ups, probably their parents fault but if the military is the only thing that can straighten them out...Fuck it let em go...

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Gunni

so what about cops? they don't even get free college, are they also a result of bad parenting?

DWB

I'm not a fan of police, as EVERY run in I have ever had with US police has been horribly ugly and unjust. Though I know they are a necessary evil and there are some good cops, or so I've heard.

DWB

Some kids DO need a foot in the ass.

OldJeff

Here is a small group of losers from loser families that served in the US military, as you can tell by this list, neither them nor their families ever amounted to anything. It is a much more impressive thing in life to be a maessage board troll, than anything these worthless military drones ever accomplished.

George W. Bush Texas Air National Guard First Lieutenant Stateside service during Vietnam War (1968-1973). See also: George W. Bush military service controversy.
George H.W. Bush United States Naval Reserve Lieutenant World War II (1942-1945)
Ronald Reagan United States Army Reserve, United States Army Air Corps Captain Stateside service during World War II (1942-1945); Army Reserve 1937-1942)
Jimmy Carter United States Navy Lieutenant World War II at the United States Naval Academy Sea duty and stateside service 1946-1953
Gerald Ford United States Naval Reserve Lieutenant Commander World War II (1942-1945; discharged in 1946)
Richard Nixon United States Naval Reserve Commander World War II (1942-1945)
Lyndon B. Johnson United States Naval Reserve Lieutenant Commander[1] World War II
John F. Kennedy United States Navy Lieutenant World War II (1941-1945)
Dwight D. Eisenhower United States Army General of the Army Stateside service during World War I. Served as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during World War II (1942-1945). Entire career spanned from 1915 until 1952.
Harry S. Truman[2] United States Army, United States Army Reserve Colonel World War I (1917-1918); was then transferred to the army reserve and discharged in 1927.
Franklin D. Roosevelt None FDR, however, did serve as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913-1920.
Theodore Roosevelt United States Army Colonel Spanish-American War ? only U.S. President to receive the Medal of Honor (awarded posthumously in 2001)
William McKinley United States Army Brevet Major American Civil War
Benjamin Harrison United States Army Brigadier General American Civil War
Chester A. Arthur New York State Militia Brigadier General Served as quartermaster general before and during the American Civil War (1858-1865).
James Garfield United States Army Major General American Civil War (1861-1863; left the army to serve in the United States House of Representatives).
Rutherford B. Hayes United States Army Major General American Civil War
Ulysses S. Grant United States Army General of the Army Mexican-American War and American Civil War; served 1843-1854 and 1861-1868.
Andrew Johnson United States Army Brigadier General American Civil War; served as Military Governor of Tennessee in 1862; was Vice President in 1865.
Abraham Lincoln Illinois State Militia Captain, Private Black Hawk War
James Buchanan Pennsylvania State Militia Private War of 1812
Franklin Pierce United States Army Brigadier General Mexican-American War
Millard Fillmore New York State Militia Major American Civil War
Zachary Taylor United States Army Major General War of 1812, Black Hawk War, Second Seminole War, Mexican-American War; entire career spanned from 1808 until 1848.
James K. Polk Tennessee State Militia Colonel None
John Tyler United States Army Captain War of 1812
William Henry Harrison United States Army Major General Northwest Indian War, War of 1812
Andrew Jackson Continental Army, United States Army General American Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Creek War, First Seminole War
James Monroe Continental Army Major American Revolutionary War
James Madison Virginia Militia Colonel American Revolutionary War
Thomas Jefferson Virginia Militia Commander None
George Washington[3] Virginia Militia, Virginia Regiment Continental Army General of the Armies

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Much of the news on the television and newspaper end is very much down, pretty much to a level that most are starting to look like they could fold up and die. The people are tired of the bs and just want good honest news that isn't packed with rape and murders.


Showing patriotism and support for ones country has nothing to do with supporting the falling dollar, illegal wars, and bad things the fed does. As a country, we do great and amazing things - I can easily see past the issues which I can't directly control and in turn support the entire country, the people, what we do and what we really stand for. We are still a great nation, we are just being ran by assholes.

I'm far from brainwashed, I know the Iraq war is illegal, and i know other countries enjoy great freedoms too. But no country, anywhere in the world has it like America does, not freedom - just the way of life, our spoils.

An terrorism isn't about a 24/7 fear war, that's the brainwashing they want you to think. But it is real and it's not bombs blowing up people, it's lawyers, legal systems, and radical religious groups forcing their influence on us through our own fucked up legal system.

Best example: Tysons Chicken, or burger king's logo on a cone or something, it has has a symbol that religious to them. You would be brainwashed to think the war on terror is fake or is some ground war in afgan - it's already here, on our soil.

Other Countires laid down and let these guys take them over, just as they have and just has history has proven they would. The difference is, we aren't laying down.




I was only stating what the Gov's job is, it's job is to protect us. Not supply things for us, not protect us against fast food, crime or poor education.

It's our job, the peoples job, to vote the correct people in from the local to federal levels that don't screw it all up. The problem is, the same people vote each time and the same group of people that bitch about problems, don't vote.

Correcting problems starts at the local level, not at the federal level. Poor education, crime, fast food (if you think telling people want they can and can't eat is ok), all of that is controlled at the local/state level and the Fed level should have no say.

The people have the power, the people fucked it up from sleeping at the wheel.


Exactly... it shall not perish - and nobody said it would always be perfect and nobody set a time line to make it perfect. And in a few months, we get another try from the local to fed level, to help correct the problems/mistakes of others.

Enjoy your world travels and remember the regions of the world you visit that the people of this country (and others) sacrificed their lives for, so you can visit them today. You don't have to support your Gov - but you should support your Country.

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Minte

The real truth about the Chinese is that along with already low labor costs the government has given Chinese manufacturers 18 cents for every dollar worth of product they import to the US.. Last year that VAT was reduced to 9%. Still,they are guaranteed 9% margin on every product they sell in the US.

Check and see what the margins are for Mobil-Exxon and the typical US manufacturer.

The Chinese have built their huge industrial capacity on the greed of US shareholders.Those mutual fund operators that demand short term profit from US companies at the expense of the long haul.

If the US government were to rebate every US manufacturer 9% jobs would flock back to the US in droves. I deal with China and Taiwan daily and It is no picnic. Language,long lead times,quality,constantly rising cost of raw materials and shipping costs are all still major issues.

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What would that be? What way of life? What are we missing in the other countries? I'm really curious.

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