i knowa few people using the gel for health reasons (had severe accidents, medical issues etc) and its pretty impressive seeing their blood work. i have been thinking about it for a while now... just need to pull the trigger i and go get all the blood work done. one guy was showing me his blood tests and his blood testosterone levels were between 1500-2000 ng/dl from using testim daily. thats plenty to see some major health benefits and cheap.

I had the option of using transdermal gel or injections... I opted for injections just because of the hassle of using gel. Plus gels raise DHT significantly higher than injections do... also if you have kids, gfs (especially pregnant ones), etc... there is also a risk if the gels come in contact w/ them (bed sheets)

100mg test cyp per week keeps me in the 900-1000 reference range... top of the reference being around 1100. I try not to go higher than that because its considered "steroidal" levels if you're above & outside of the range... that's where other issues start to happen (estrogen rising, etc).

All are manageable though, I've done plenty of cycles over the years and probably will again in the future.... but for cruising I prefer to stay within the reference range. I've found my balance :)

Dude your lack of intelligence hurts my eyes. You no doubt are one of the mindless sheep that sucks the tit of mainstream news. I would tell you to educate yourself but my advice would fall on deaf ears. Please try to read before you speak.

Oh yeah, if you want to get your bloodwork done you can do it online www.directlabs.com ... if you want to pay out of pocket. If you can go to your primary care doc just ask them to send you to a lab so your insurance will cover it.

The main things I would test for are:

Testosterone, total
Bio available / Free testosterone (very important, this is the one that matters)
SHBG
DHT
Estradiol (ultra sensitive, the other tests are no good)
LH / FSH
Prolactin
IGF-1 (only real way to measure gh)

Other beneficial tests while you still have the needle in your arm:

Cortisol
Thyroid Panel
CBC
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Lipid Profile
PSA (if you're over 40)


all in all though the most important are Total T, Free T, SHBG, DHT, Estradiol, LH & FSH

:P

Dr. Crisler? He's the man

Only way to slow down aging process is eat foods high in antoxidents.

looking for comments from those that have been on it for a long time


how does it feel if you have to stop for a few weeks, like if you go on a holiday somewhere? any let down or bad effects?

how exactly do you get prescribed this? do you need some sort of condition? do you have to be a certain age? etc? what do you tell your doctor?

thanks

if you stop HGH abruptly i don't think there are noticeable side effects, the pituitary typically rebounds pretty quickly

if you have been on Testosterone therapy for a while and stop abruptly, you will end up feeling all of the cons of low testosterone since your HTPA will be shut down from the introduction of syntheic testosterone... it takes months to naturally get it back to normal levels which is why people that do steroid cycles have a post cycle therapy to jump start this process

testosterone replacement therapy is pretty much for life when you start, you don't want to go back and forth with this... it will suck bad, hormones play a HUGE role in your life

very low testosterone can cause loss of libido, tiredness, brain fog / poor cognitive thinking, loss of lean mass, poor recovery, fat gain, HAIR LOSS (yes), depression, etc

whats not to be depressed about... what sucks is a lot of people probably suffer from this but their standard docs just give them some fucked up anti depression meds and send them on their way



growth hormone therapy can be cycled without the bad 'crashing' effect

First off you need to be a certain age. If you're in your 20's or early 30's a doctor won't give it to you.

Second...if you are in your late 30's and up you need to do a LOT of research. And not just what we are saying on GFY. You need to be real well educated before you stick stuff in your body...
Wait a minute, what am I saying? We've all smoked and snorted shit that we didn't have a clue where it came from!!! LOL!

But seriously. Get educated first. And remember that doctors are very reluctant to give you this stuff. They want you to be almost at the bottom of the barrel with blood levels before they will help you. If you are "okay" and just want to increase your quality of life to exceptional...then hit the gym and look for the guy that's obviously using.

He's your source and probably better versed in how and what to do than a general practicioner would be.

actually you don't NEED to be in your late 30's to get prescribed this, most of the anti-aging clinics out there won't talk to you if you're not at least 35 HOWEVER there are legitimate reasons that one could be prescribed this

age isn't a factor if your blood work shows that you are in the low range of testosterone or igf as long as you find a KNOWLEDGABLE doctor that understands this type of therapy

don't waste your time with endocrinologists they don't know shit... look for drs that specialize in anti aging and are members of the A4M (american academy of anti aging medicine)

in la, dr mark gordon is great
in the midwest, dr john crisler is awesome

most docs you can meet with once and then do virtual office visits... this is a specialty field that you really want the best in. just because a doc has an MD & a PhD doesn't mean they know shit about this type of medicine

get some blood tests for total testosterone, bio available testosterone, igf-1

if any of those are at the bottom of the range, talk to a doc

don't listen to docs that say, oh you're within range you're fine... BS

if the range is 300-1100 for testosterone... and you're at 410 or something... i'd be all over it scouring for a doctor that will listen to me, again most docs don't understand this and think oh if you're in the range you're fine... negative

you want to be in the higher range & nothing is naturally going to bring you that high, even a better diet & working out... it might raise it a little, but not that much

its a quality of life thing

i like this topic :)

Does anyone know anything about "CLA TONALIN"?? Does that really work to build muscle etc??

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Agreed, forget any regular doctors or endocrinologists, all they do is treat old, diabetic people. I flew to MI to see Dr. Crisler just once four years ago and have been getting follow up treatment from him ever since via email with semi-regular blood tests. Well worth the trip to see an expert.

yeah, same here... i flew to lansing to meet w/ dr crisler once & now we just do virtual office / phone visits

they ship my meds & fax in bloodwork orders to the labs out here

def worth it to know ur in good hands

tical, what kind of money does it take starting from the day you go in and all the tests before you are set up with your first prescription?

My Dad was taking it and had open heart surgery to replace a valve that was defective from birth...the doctors were amazed at how quickly he recovered and also attributed it to the HGH. I know that there are different variations but I don't think that the brand matters much from what I've heard, but I could be wrong on that issue.

I'm only 30 and was kind of surprised when I asked the doctor about it and he said that it would be very beneficial at my age. He said that after about the age of 20 is when we begin to lose those hormones that HGH helps to replace. I'm sure I take a very diluted form, and actually the doctor said I could get it even more diluted if I found it was bloating me, etc. But of course the older you are, the greater you feel the benefits.

Hit me up at my sig info below, I can refer you to my doctor. Basically you can do your lab work there and they will ship you the product. Some insurances will cover it, or you may have to pay out of pocket and I'm not sure how much that is. My supply of HGH for 23 shots is $360, but it does vary.

Yah, I was on TRT. But was fine until the HgH was introduced.

uh... i decided not to assume and looked up HGH/dangers on Google...
This one http://www.naturalnews.com/006682.html says that "Long-term use is another matter about which we don't know very much,"
"Butler and others warn that doctors don't know enough about the possible dangerous side effects, such as diabetes and cancer."

and this one: http://ezinearticles.com/?Educate-Yo...gers&id=599578
"The dangers are so serious that the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists has warned against the use of human growth hormone supplements as an anti-aging treatment." ... amongts other things...


To say that the only reason why HGH isnt offered or recommended to everyone is because of the high price makes no sense... People can decide for themselves if the price is too high.. :2 cents:

Pardon the dumbass intrusion into the thread, but I've been reading, and I have a question.

For awhile, I had a doctor who was pretty open to new ideas and stuff. He's since moved.

Anyhow, based on my symptoms, he ran a bunch of blood tests along the line of what tical mentioned. Based on the results, he said he wanted me to try these pellet things that got injected under my skin.

These things:

http://www.sottopelletherapy.com/

So I paid $300, had my skin sliced open, and these things put it. It may have been all in my head, but for a handful of days afterwards, I felt GREAT. Then it went away.

Since then, doctors that I've seen just want to pat me on the head and give me prozac or something. I don't take that stuff, but I also can't shake the notion that maybe the original doctor was on to something.

I still have the lab papers, even though they were done a year and a half or so ago. In the section called "Immunoassay" are the following levels:

Testosterone, Serum 13L
Free Tesosterone(Direct) 0.3

Granted, to the best of my knowledge none of you went to medical school, but do those sound like low levels? I can't remember everything that doctor told me, but I'm thinking he said they were very low.

Lol at google research. I'm really not trying to be mean, and I'm definitely not downing people who have never been to college and learned how to research..shit even most undergrads do half assed shitty research. It just amazes me how people get facts from the internet, and apply those critical thinking skills. Anyways...I did check out that article that you posted and the title was "Human Growth Hormone Dangerous at High Dosages"..and it began with the quote "Dr. Mitchell Harman, a growth hormone researcher, says that use of human growth hormone in large doses is "clearly toxic,"...Did you know that vitamins are toxic when taken at large doses? And what about aspirin? That shit will kill you if you swallow enough of it. Does this mean that aspirin and vitamins are bad for you?

Those pellets are ancient technology. Go to a specialist like Dr. Crisler and get blood tests and possibly get on on the gels or injections. I find the gels easier since they are so easy to apply and provide a more even dosing.

So you searched for problems and found them? Wow. That's real smartl
So you know NOTHING about it then?

By the way I did what you did. Except I replaced "HGH" with "aspirin"
So I googled aspirin/dangers Here's what I got and why you completely are off base with a half way researched thought process:

"A study of 409 patients who attended the Royal Melbourne Hospital's emergency department and who were taking two or more drugs has identified 855 potential drug interactions. Aspirin was involved in 237 interactions. About 62 per cent of patients who were taking multiple medication could have had a potential interaction.

The hospital's director of emergency medicine research, Associate Professor David Taylor, said 15.3 per cent of the total number of potential interactions were "major" ? where someone could become seriously ill or die. About 71 per cent were moderate, and 13.5 per cent minor."

This guy?

http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.htm

How do you find a good one who sees women? I know that is probably a dumb question, but right now, I don't have a doctor that will even consider it as an option, let alone refer me to someone.

xxxdesign-net Next why don't you look up "bread/dangers" or "soda/dangers" or the best one: "porn/dangers" Or if you really want to find something you shouldn't do look up "car/dangers"

Jesus man. When you start with a negative hypothesis you will usually find it.

You had an agenda before you looked. You should try searching with an open mind and honestly assess it. But if your mind is made up, then so be it. To each his own.

use it properly than sorry

I'm not sure about those hormone levels, but that sucks that those pellet things only lasted a few days and you paid $300 for that. Maybe you just felt that initial boost but the effects were still beneficial you just didn't notice it as much in the begining? With me the HGH isn't like I'm supercharged every day with energy, but it has been extremely beneficial for me, as you'll read in my original post. When I look at my grandparents and see how their physical/mental health just completely diminishes in their later years..strokes/dementia etc...honestly it freaks me out. My goal is to have the highest quality of life possible from now until the end.

Selena, look up wellness clinics in your area. Specifically for anti aging specialists, and even more specific one for women.

People always seemed shocked when they find out I'm turning 40. While genes play a roll, knowing andropause for males happens, and doing something about it plays an important factor.

What about ghb

It could have been, and I probably worded my post poorly. I more meant like...

I felt normal again, as opposed to having to drag myself through everything. Hard to put into words, but not great like a cocaine binge of energy.

I'll do that, Anthony, and thank you. I wouldn't mind traveling to a good one, and would likely have to, as my area is pretty small. :)

Appreciate the advise.

loved it in the 90's to party with.

Not the same thing as HgH.

Anytime. :) Once you get on HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) or TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), you'll feel a world of difference. HgH is really expensive, but weigh your options.

Im glad you learn how to do proper research in college... kudos... but arguing with me about something i have never said is less impressive.... I have never talked about HGH being toxic at large dose... from what i get nobody in this thread is taking high doses..

Second... its true that i didnt waste 2 hours researching the subject so I can let you know whether you should or not continue to use HGH.. by all means... do what you want :thumbsup All im saying is, after clicking couple of links related to the subjects, all seems to claim that the long term effects arent known and they may be a danger... You say they are wrong? fine.. im not the one using it..

BTw, im curious, did they tell you in College not to do research using Google? Because that is funny... as much as saying that HGH isnt recommended more for young people because it cost too much..

It's not recommended for anyone under 30 due to the cost being prohibitive versus the positive health benefits it will derive. I've heard this many times.

You not knowing about it, doesn't make it false.

My first cycle cost me $1200.00 for the whole thing. I tore my L5, and it was supposed to help with the healing.

Hahaha, have you ever g'd out? OMG that freaks people out when that happens. I used to love that shit too. Of course you have to do it only around very trusted friends, as they do use it as a date rape drug and all.