Hit me up at my sig info below, I can refer you to my doctor. Basically you can do your lab work there and they will ship you the product. Some insurances will cover it, or you may have to pay out of pocket and I'm not sure how much that is. My supply of HGH for 23 shots is $360, but it does vary.

Yah, I was on TRT. But was fine until the HgH was introduced.

uh... i decided not to assume and looked up HGH/dangers on Google...
This one http://www.naturalnews.com/006682.html says that "Long-term use is another matter about which we don't know very much,"
"Butler and others warn that doctors don't know enough about the possible dangerous side effects, such as diabetes and cancer."

and this one: http://ezinearticles.com/?Educate-Yo...gers&id=599578
"The dangers are so serious that the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists has warned against the use of human growth hormone supplements as an anti-aging treatment." ... amongts other things...


To say that the only reason why HGH isnt offered or recommended to everyone is because of the high price makes no sense... People can decide for themselves if the price is too high.. :2 cents:

Pardon the dumbass intrusion into the thread, but I've been reading, and I have a question.

For awhile, I had a doctor who was pretty open to new ideas and stuff. He's since moved.

Anyhow, based on my symptoms, he ran a bunch of blood tests along the line of what tical mentioned. Based on the results, he said he wanted me to try these pellet things that got injected under my skin.

These things:

http://www.sottopelletherapy.com/

So I paid $300, had my skin sliced open, and these things put it. It may have been all in my head, but for a handful of days afterwards, I felt GREAT. Then it went away.

Since then, doctors that I've seen just want to pat me on the head and give me prozac or something. I don't take that stuff, but I also can't shake the notion that maybe the original doctor was on to something.

I still have the lab papers, even though they were done a year and a half or so ago. In the section called "Immunoassay" are the following levels:

Testosterone, Serum 13L
Free Tesosterone(Direct) 0.3

Granted, to the best of my knowledge none of you went to medical school, but do those sound like low levels? I can't remember everything that doctor told me, but I'm thinking he said they were very low.

Lol at google research. I'm really not trying to be mean, and I'm definitely not downing people who have never been to college and learned how to research..shit even most undergrads do half assed shitty research. It just amazes me how people get facts from the internet, and apply those critical thinking skills. Anyways...I did check out that article that you posted and the title was "Human Growth Hormone Dangerous at High Dosages"..and it began with the quote "Dr. Mitchell Harman, a growth hormone researcher, says that use of human growth hormone in large doses is "clearly toxic,"...Did you know that vitamins are toxic when taken at large doses? And what about aspirin? That shit will kill you if you swallow enough of it. Does this mean that aspirin and vitamins are bad for you?

Those pellets are ancient technology. Go to a specialist like Dr. Crisler and get blood tests and possibly get on on the gels or injections. I find the gels easier since they are so easy to apply and provide a more even dosing.

So you searched for problems and found them? Wow. That's real smartl
So you know NOTHING about it then?

By the way I did what you did. Except I replaced "HGH" with "aspirin"
So I googled aspirin/dangers Here's what I got and why you completely are off base with a half way researched thought process:

"A study of 409 patients who attended the Royal Melbourne Hospital's emergency department and who were taking two or more drugs has identified 855 potential drug interactions. Aspirin was involved in 237 interactions. About 62 per cent of patients who were taking multiple medication could have had a potential interaction.

The hospital's director of emergency medicine research, Associate Professor David Taylor, said 15.3 per cent of the total number of potential interactions were "major" ? where someone could become seriously ill or die. About 71 per cent were moderate, and 13.5 per cent minor."

This guy?

http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.htm

How do you find a good one who sees women? I know that is probably a dumb question, but right now, I don't have a doctor that will even consider it as an option, let alone refer me to someone.

xxxdesign-net Next why don't you look up "bread/dangers" or "soda/dangers" or the best one: "porn/dangers" Or if you really want to find something you shouldn't do look up "car/dangers"

Jesus man. When you start with a negative hypothesis you will usually find it.

You had an agenda before you looked. You should try searching with an open mind and honestly assess it. But if your mind is made up, then so be it. To each his own.

use it properly than sorry

I'm not sure about those hormone levels, but that sucks that those pellet things only lasted a few days and you paid $300 for that. Maybe you just felt that initial boost but the effects were still beneficial you just didn't notice it as much in the begining? With me the HGH isn't like I'm supercharged every day with energy, but it has been extremely beneficial for me, as you'll read in my original post. When I look at my grandparents and see how their physical/mental health just completely diminishes in their later years..strokes/dementia etc...honestly it freaks me out. My goal is to have the highest quality of life possible from now until the end.

Selena, look up wellness clinics in your area. Specifically for anti aging specialists, and even more specific one for women.

People always seemed shocked when they find out I'm turning 40. While genes play a roll, knowing andropause for males happens, and doing something about it plays an important factor.

What about ghb

It could have been, and I probably worded my post poorly. I more meant like...

I felt normal again, as opposed to having to drag myself through everything. Hard to put into words, but not great like a cocaine binge of energy.

I'll do that, Anthony, and thank you. I wouldn't mind traveling to a good one, and would likely have to, as my area is pretty small. :)

Appreciate the advise.

loved it in the 90's to party with.

Not the same thing as HgH.

Anytime. :) Once you get on HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) or TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), you'll feel a world of difference. HgH is really expensive, but weigh your options.

Im glad you learn how to do proper research in college... kudos... but arguing with me about something i have never said is less impressive.... I have never talked about HGH being toxic at large dose... from what i get nobody in this thread is taking high doses..

Second... its true that i didnt waste 2 hours researching the subject so I can let you know whether you should or not continue to use HGH.. by all means... do what you want :thumbsup All im saying is, after clicking couple of links related to the subjects, all seems to claim that the long term effects arent known and they may be a danger... You say they are wrong? fine.. im not the one using it..

BTw, im curious, did they tell you in College not to do research using Google? Because that is funny... as much as saying that HGH isnt recommended more for young people because it cost too much..

It's not recommended for anyone under 30 due to the cost being prohibitive versus the positive health benefits it will derive. I've heard this many times.

You not knowing about it, doesn't make it false.

My first cycle cost me $1200.00 for the whole thing. I tore my L5, and it was supposed to help with the healing.

Hahaha, have you ever g'd out? OMG that freaks people out when that happens. I used to love that shit too. Of course you have to do it only around very trusted friends, as they do use it as a date rape drug and all.

all i wanted to illustrate is not that it was bad... but that HGH wasnt something that was guaranted to be 100% safe and guaranteed to be harmless in the long run.... Was I unlucky and ended up on kook websites? MAybe.... but id be curious to see any sources saying that taking 10cc of HGH every once in a while is 100% safe long term...

I have fished out many a time Noe. Woke up once in an ambulance. Not too long after stopped and haven't touched it since I was 27.

I was on the 3 meals a week diet back then. Always 8up, and mental from all the serotonin damage I was doing to myself. I'm frankly surprised I'm still alive!

but between 30 - 50 ? (thats what i meant by young as oppose to 60+) Wouldnt a harmless safe miracle drug be recomended to everyone?

Using your logic, you can say the same thing about Aspirin, Coca Cola, Driving, Crossing the street, etc.

That was the point Robbie was making.

The 10cc was corrected by Noe, as a mistype. But I'd be curious to see if 100 aspirins every once in awhile is 100% safe long term too. :)

how can you ever find that? the technology is not even that old... hgh used to have to be extracted from cadavers and that wasn't even that long ago

do you use a cell phone? do you have sources saying that talking on your cell phone is 100% safe long term??

I don't remember waking up at 19 sore as hell from playing basketball with my friends.

I did starting in my 30's. Proper diet, working out, and HRT/TRT can do wonders. In this day and age of 80% of Americans are obese, I find it curious why you would go on negatively in a thread where the majority of people in it are doing their damndest NOT to be a part of that 85%.

selena, dr mark gordon in LA treats women & was recommended to me by dr crisler.

i also recommend picking up this book http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Hormon...23915&sr= 8-2

if you are pre or post menopausal bio-identical hormone replacement therapy is exactly what you want... careful w/ the hack docs that want to prescribe you other things besides bio-identical hormones... that is why HRT has such a bad rap among women, some of those drugs are very harmful to women

depending on if you're going for testosterone or hgh (or both)

the bloodwork is basically free if you have medical insurance, if not expect to pay around 800 bucks in tests

to consult w/ a dr like dr crisler i beleive it was around $150

injectable testosterone costs around $90 bucks for a 20 week supply at 100mg a week

growth hormone on the other hand will run you around 400-500 a month which is why most people don't use it

negative? you are the one scaring people with your side effects :winkwink: Again, I dont take HGH... My grand-mother didnt die from taking HGH... its not a crusade... Do as you wish... :thumbsup

Hey tical...I'll be living in Vegas soon. I'm gonna need a hook up so I can stop buying shit from Europe and Russia.

You know what, I have to apologize because I came off a bit catty in that post. I'm just honestly amazed that the way you did your research now (after clicking a couple of links)is the way that most people in this country find out "facts". Misinformation in the US is an epidemic that has got to be the reason that Bush has been in office for two terms and the country is in the state that it is now. It's pretty sad when you think about it actually. Has anybody seen that movie Idiocracy? That movie is kind of funny, but it also has a sad truth to it. But to answer your question, no, I have never been told by any professors in any research classes, or any text that I have ever read in research classes, or even by professional researchers that I know, that Google should not be utilized as a tool for research. Although they all kind of turn their noses up at google, lol. It's how you use Google and the Internet to find out facts. Learning just even the basics about research methods/sources, etc, and a little about statistics, you'll be surprised at how your perception of what you read and see on tv changes.

I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying or I'm mis-reading what you're saying. Anthony was pointing out that at 19 he didn't have pain in the morning after playing sports. BUT as he got older he did. As do most people. BUT he is saying that by properly using testosterone he has regained the ability to feel and do the things he could do as a younger man.

double post..sorry

I just gave tical my doctor's contact info here in Vegas. Hit me up at the info in my sig if you don't get it from him.

Side effects?

I mentioned side effects?

HGH is primarily prescribed to kids with pituitary tumors and other pituitary related problems to help them grow and develop normally

it is prescribed to children as well as adults with growth hormone deficiency

what you need to understand is that as you age, your hormone balance changes... growth hormone levels drop, testosterone levels drop (men / andropause), estrogen levels drop (women / menopause)... it continues as you get older and your quality of life begins to diminish

there are other factors that can cause this to happen to people at any age... even otherwise healthy 20 year olds (head trauma, tumors, adrenal fatigue)

it has already been proven that supplementing the body with these hormones to keep them in the HIGH reference ranges DRASTICALLY improves ones quality of life... from emotional to physical benefits

hormones are HUGE in regards to age and well being for men & women


like any drug they all have potential side effects however you have to remember that these are hormones that are ALREADY found in the human body, the goal with HRT is to supplement them to optimal levels


AND MOST IMPORTANTLY


PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CANNOT PATENT BIO-IDENTICAL HORMONES THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T HEAR OF BIO IDENTICAL HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY AS MUCH AS YOU HEAR ABOUT EVERY OTHER DRUG OUT THERE.... THEY CANT PROFIT FROM IT!

Right on the nose Robbie. I had my first MMA fight at 38 years old. Against a 24 year old. He beat the shit out of me, but I wouldn't have thought of doing that at 30! :)

Good news is I won my next fight, 7 months later. I'm out right now due to a shoulder injury, but nothing is more satisfying for me than choking or tapping out someone almost half my age. :)

hehe Noe's dr can hook you up, especially since you already have a history... they seem very laxed about it all :)

You and I must have been on the same diet plan,lol. If people don't understand what happens when you g out then they would most definitely get you an ambulance. I haven't done that stuff or anything else, except for smoking weed which I stopped a year ago. I always thought weed was ok because it was natural and better than drinking or smoking cigarettes, but I've realized that it was holding me back in business/career and many other aspects of my life.

Thank you, tical. I very much appreciate the info. I have some gift certificate money laying in amazon, and that book looks like a good way to spend it. :)

Diet? Apples, Macintosh, Mitsubishis, doves, yeah, that was one hella of a diet. :)

You saw me what last week? I was 240lbs. Imagine me at 160lbs. It's scary.

I'm hoping for the blackmarket hookup so I don't have to over-pay. :) I did the doctor routine for a few years. Finally after getting laughed at by all the guys at the gym for paying 5x what they paid...I started ordering straight from europe. Over there they just walk into the store and buy what they please.

Here's a good one for ya....I usually go down to Mexico at least once a year to a swingers resort just to party for a week or so and get away from everything.

But I don't like missing out on taking my testosterone. Unfortunately, here in the United States of Govt. Control...testosterone is a controlled substance. :(

So what I do is when I get to Mexico, I stop at the pharmacy right there in the airport and buy some sustanon test RIGHT OVER THE COUNTER on my way to pick up my baggage and grab a taxi.

No need to travel with it to other countries, it's everywhere and legal. Only here in the "land of the free" does the govt. try to control our entire lives.

no problem, let me know what you think after reading it

I agree.. and trust me, i know how to research properly... I wouldnt call myself clicking couple of links "research" tho... I thought couple of quotes from doctors would be enough to illustrate my point that this drug isnt a sure bet, especially long term... but if those were only marginal opinions or deceitful websites... than its good news for you :thumbsup

pulsating headaches? maybe i misread...

Ahhh, yeah. A small percentage get headaches. Mine were pretty intense, enough for me to stop. As Hgh was the new variable in my HRT, I attested the headaches to it, and after doing some research asking friends on it, then asking my Doctor about it, I was given that info. As you can read in this thread, I'm the only one to complain about it.

wtf, there's one thread on GFY that's actually worth reading and it drops to page two???

all of you midgets better bump this thread and add some more info or I'll track you down and rape all your pets - no cat, dog, or bird will be spared!

My German Shepard Jake would probaby recipricate if you fucked him in the ass...and I have to warn you, he's hung. So it may hurt. You may want to stick with my chihuahua. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Antonio you're right. It was a pretty good discussion! Especially for a "non-porn" discussion. A lot more interesting than the: "I saw a cloud shaped like a butterfly" or "I'm eating this for dinner" threads that are all over the place. :)

yeah i hear you man, how much testosterone do you take a week? if you get a prescription (which shouldn't be hard) you can buy a bottle for around 90 bucks at cvs/walgreens... 200mg / 10ml

all of the hookups i had on black market shit ended up stopping when all of those labs started getting busted late last year... thankfully i have a prescription now :)

there you go my man, what kind of other info are you looking for? i'll try to help as much as i can :thumbsup