http://www.drcranton.com/hghart2.htm
t has been stated elsewhere that HGH should be used within 3 weeks after adding diluent. Expert chemists who manufacture HGH assure us that this 3-week figure includes a large safety factor and if used within 6 weeks of mixing, and if refrigerated during that time, there will not be a significant loss of potency.

Noe, 10 IU's every other day is still ALOT!!!

One IU is what most ppl take for anti aging.

Bodybuilders start off at 5 IU's a day, and go up from there.

Sure Tony, I'll believe what they say, but how many of them had it in their fridge where they constantly opened it numerous times during the day and night to get food out off? How many were also present where bacteria that lives in the fridge and kitchen area is present. Lab results are great, but real world is a different story.

Anthony hit the nail on the head about HGH too. You should keep it in powdered form refrigerated until you use it. Then mix in the water and keep it refrigerated too. use it up within a week or two. Mine gets used up in 5 days because I split it with Claudia-Marie Then we mix up the next vial.

Did the doctor say what that might be due to?

Well that explains why you and Claudia have that glow, and no I'm not kissing ass. You can usually tell, the skin glows, the wrinkles are pretty non existant, and very very very soft skin.

i don't think Noe's using 10ius... she'd be paying 1000s a month for that. It's probably 10 units on the insulin syringe (1cc) but the concentration of the actual HGH is probably 2-4 iu

I take a diluted solution. Don't worry I'm not going to kick your ass the next time I see you, hehe.

It happens to a small percentage. I even tried genotropin and the same thing happened. I lowered my dosage from 1 IU in the morn and 1 IU in the afternoon, to .5 IU and it didn't help. :(

Thanks for the tip. I keep my liquid solution in the frig also, but I will ask my doctor about the powdered form.

If you get the powdered form, which you really should, pay attention to how you add water. You have to drop it in, slowly, as rushing it will destroy the HgH. That's probably why your doc gives you the fluid, come to think of it.

Between Robbie, Tical, Tony, and me, you have enough peeps who can answer any questions with first hand knowledge. But yeah, it's pretty awesome. Just wish I could last longer than 4 weeks on it.

how many IU were you taking?

That may have been from the mass quantity of jaeger bombs that we were drinking too. :1orglaugh

2 to 3 a day. At peak which was 3rd week, 1.5 in the morn, 1.5 in the afternoon.

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/apruses/humatrope.htm That's the drug companies actual insert and they say you can put it in frig. Real world? Probably every ifbb pro bodybuilder has some hgh sitting in his frig as I write this.

wow, that sucks man... other than water retention i never had a problem with GH other than the price

especially for FDA approved GH which is like 2-3x the cost of chinese jintropin / getropin..

were you taking anything else that may have caused that? are you on TRT?

mr. olympia right here... gh & insulin

http://forums.steroid.com/attachment...chmentid=45100

The thread name is kind of miss leading ... ^^

what do you mean?

Absolutely, and I will bet you dollars to donuts it doesn't stay in there in for 6 weeks. :)

Not at the amounts those guys use it wouldn't be in there for more than a few hours. Those dudes shoot the whole 10 iu's in one shot. And they do that a couple of times a day.

Fucking expensive!

It costs them 80 to 100 grand to get ready for the olympia and when you consider the 50th ranked pro golf makes more than the top bodybuilder in the world. Its not a good roi. lol

You are clueless.

I have been using hgh for about 8 months now. I started using it to help me heal from some recent surgery. I would definitely recommend getting it from the doctor and taking it exactly as directed. Does anyone think the brand matters?

Mark

HGH = Human Growth Hormone
Testosterone = Testosterone

Female bodybuilders that use excessive androgenic anabolic steroids develop male characteristics due to virilization (excessive androgens)

Testosterone has a 1:1 anabolic:androgenic ratio...

Female figure competitors tend to use steroids that have less of an androgen ratio... for example low doses of oxadrolone (anavar) which has like a 33:1 anabolic:androgenic ratio

The female freaks that look like men are going way overboard on heavy androgenic compounds... but they "need" this to get where THEY want to be. Live and let live.

It's funny that people talk all of this shit about anabolic/androgenic steroids but if I want to cut my dick off and take estrogen to grow some tits and walk around as a female it is accepted. Even insurance will cover some of it.


So as a man I can take hormones to make me a woman and its totally fine.

Yet, I can't take hormones to make me more of a man because its wrong?

Nuts.

chinese brands are typically of less quality than the FDA approved brands like Novo Nordisk, Somatrope, Humatrope, Saizen, etc... less quality = less potency... sure they work but I doubt 1iu of Jintropin = 1iu of Saizen

the chain of amino acids is slightly different in most of the cheaper imported GH as well

I haven't used it in recent years.. but did use it for many years and just stopped because i got tired of relying on the people i was getting it from. it really depends on what you are using it for and how much you are using

some can cause more water retention, more joint pain and other negligible sides, humatrope does this to me on 1i.u. a day. and becomes intolerable, some are more commonly used in bodybuilding as they are believed to be more effective (serostim for example, which i really like) or just because its cheaper (jintropin) and easier to come by. they are all a bit different.

10 years ago, there was only a few manufacturers... thats changing pretty fast in recent years so the choices are now much greater and all are going to be a bit different because each manufacturer has its own patented process for growing it/producing it and they all basically produce a slightly different molecule.

i'd totally try it but i am scared shit of anything involving a needle

My Dad's been using HGH for several years and is absolutely thrilled with it. He's 54 an has a 10 month old baby, so he's definitely in it for the edge. He had a vasectomy, got it reversed and started on the HGH in coordination with a testosterone regimen to bump his sperm count so he could knock up the new Mrs. After he stopped the testosterone, he kept up the HGH because it brought elasticity back to his skin, grew his hair thicker, made him feel better, he stopped getting colds and flus, he had more energy...on and on. He swears by the stuff.

I've been seriously considering it and down here in Panama, it's really inexpensive for the exact same generics of the stuff that's $500 - $1k /mo. in the US. My old man's been getting care packages that have saved him thousands a year and I'm thinking about heading over to the doc to get on the spike and see if I can't experience some of these side effects personally.

It's good to see somebody else here enjoying this...

Both Testosterone and HGH are very valuable substances for people in their thirties and up who want to stay in top shape. Someday regular use of them is going to be standard practive for anyone that wants to stay in top shape as part of an anti-aging regimen . If you combine legal, doctor prescribed testosterone (for men) with a healthy diet and regular intense weightlifting and exercise that is as close to the fountain of youth as one can get. Same for women minus the testosterone. HGH is also very valuable for both genders. I tried it for a couple of months, but I am really saving it for when I get older.

Testosterone delivered through gel form however is really useful for most guys since it gets your levels back up to what they were when you were 18 or 20 years old and that helps keep body fat off and increases your virility, stamina, improves your mood and other benefits. It's relatively inexpensive also. I saw a doctor in MI that specializes in this stuff and it has helped me get in the best shape of my life at thirty-nine years old.

i knowa few people using the gel for health reasons (had severe accidents, medical issues etc) and its pretty impressive seeing their blood work. i have been thinking about it for a while now... just need to pull the trigger i and go get all the blood work done. one guy was showing me his blood tests and his blood testosterone levels were between 1500-2000 ng/dl from using testim daily. thats plenty to see some major health benefits and cheap.

I had the option of using transdermal gel or injections... I opted for injections just because of the hassle of using gel. Plus gels raise DHT significantly higher than injections do... also if you have kids, gfs (especially pregnant ones), etc... there is also a risk if the gels come in contact w/ them (bed sheets)

100mg test cyp per week keeps me in the 900-1000 reference range... top of the reference being around 1100. I try not to go higher than that because its considered "steroidal" levels if you're above & outside of the range... that's where other issues start to happen (estrogen rising, etc).

All are manageable though, I've done plenty of cycles over the years and probably will again in the future.... but for cruising I prefer to stay within the reference range. I've found my balance :)

Dude your lack of intelligence hurts my eyes. You no doubt are one of the mindless sheep that sucks the tit of mainstream news. I would tell you to educate yourself but my advice would fall on deaf ears. Please try to read before you speak.

Oh yeah, if you want to get your bloodwork done you can do it online www.directlabs.com ... if you want to pay out of pocket. If you can go to your primary care doc just ask them to send you to a lab so your insurance will cover it.

The main things I would test for are:

Testosterone, total
Bio available / Free testosterone (very important, this is the one that matters)
SHBG
DHT
Estradiol (ultra sensitive, the other tests are no good)
LH / FSH
Prolactin
IGF-1 (only real way to measure gh)

Other beneficial tests while you still have the needle in your arm:

Cortisol
Thyroid Panel
CBC
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Lipid Profile
PSA (if you're over 40)


all in all though the most important are Total T, Free T, SHBG, DHT, Estradiol, LH & FSH

:P

Dr. Crisler? He's the man

Only way to slow down aging process is eat foods high in antoxidents.

looking for comments from those that have been on it for a long time


how does it feel if you have to stop for a few weeks, like if you go on a holiday somewhere? any let down or bad effects?

how exactly do you get prescribed this? do you need some sort of condition? do you have to be a certain age? etc? what do you tell your doctor?

thanks

if you stop HGH abruptly i don't think there are noticeable side effects, the pituitary typically rebounds pretty quickly

if you have been on Testosterone therapy for a while and stop abruptly, you will end up feeling all of the cons of low testosterone since your HTPA will be shut down from the introduction of syntheic testosterone... it takes months to naturally get it back to normal levels which is why people that do steroid cycles have a post cycle therapy to jump start this process

testosterone replacement therapy is pretty much for life when you start, you don't want to go back and forth with this... it will suck bad, hormones play a HUGE role in your life

very low testosterone can cause loss of libido, tiredness, brain fog / poor cognitive thinking, loss of lean mass, poor recovery, fat gain, HAIR LOSS (yes), depression, etc

whats not to be depressed about... what sucks is a lot of people probably suffer from this but their standard docs just give them some fucked up anti depression meds and send them on their way



growth hormone therapy can be cycled without the bad 'crashing' effect

First off you need to be a certain age. If you're in your 20's or early 30's a doctor won't give it to you.

Second...if you are in your late 30's and up you need to do a LOT of research. And not just what we are saying on GFY. You need to be real well educated before you stick stuff in your body...
Wait a minute, what am I saying? We've all smoked and snorted shit that we didn't have a clue where it came from!!! LOL!

But seriously. Get educated first. And remember that doctors are very reluctant to give you this stuff. They want you to be almost at the bottom of the barrel with blood levels before they will help you. If you are "okay" and just want to increase your quality of life to exceptional...then hit the gym and look for the guy that's obviously using.

He's your source and probably better versed in how and what to do than a general practicioner would be.

actually you don't NEED to be in your late 30's to get prescribed this, most of the anti-aging clinics out there won't talk to you if you're not at least 35 HOWEVER there are legitimate reasons that one could be prescribed this

age isn't a factor if your blood work shows that you are in the low range of testosterone or igf as long as you find a KNOWLEDGABLE doctor that understands this type of therapy

don't waste your time with endocrinologists they don't know shit... look for drs that specialize in anti aging and are members of the A4M (american academy of anti aging medicine)

in la, dr mark gordon is great
in the midwest, dr john crisler is awesome

most docs you can meet with once and then do virtual office visits... this is a specialty field that you really want the best in. just because a doc has an MD & a PhD doesn't mean they know shit about this type of medicine

get some blood tests for total testosterone, bio available testosterone, igf-1

if any of those are at the bottom of the range, talk to a doc

don't listen to docs that say, oh you're within range you're fine... BS

if the range is 300-1100 for testosterone... and you're at 410 or something... i'd be all over it scouring for a doctor that will listen to me, again most docs don't understand this and think oh if you're in the range you're fine... negative

you want to be in the higher range & nothing is naturally going to bring you that high, even a better diet & working out... it might raise it a little, but not that much

its a quality of life thing

i like this topic :)

Does anyone know anything about "CLA TONALIN"?? Does that really work to build muscle etc??

add me on msn... inseattle at hotmail

Agreed, forget any regular doctors or endocrinologists, all they do is treat old, diabetic people. I flew to MI to see Dr. Crisler just once four years ago and have been getting follow up treatment from him ever since via email with semi-regular blood tests. Well worth the trip to see an expert.

yeah, same here... i flew to lansing to meet w/ dr crisler once & now we just do virtual office / phone visits

they ship my meds & fax in bloodwork orders to the labs out here

def worth it to know ur in good hands

tical, what kind of money does it take starting from the day you go in and all the tests before you are set up with your first prescription?

My Dad was taking it and had open heart surgery to replace a valve that was defective from birth...the doctors were amazed at how quickly he recovered and also attributed it to the HGH. I know that there are different variations but I don't think that the brand matters much from what I've heard, but I could be wrong on that issue.

I'm only 30 and was kind of surprised when I asked the doctor about it and he said that it would be very beneficial at my age. He said that after about the age of 20 is when we begin to lose those hormones that HGH helps to replace. I'm sure I take a very diluted form, and actually the doctor said I could get it even more diluted if I found it was bloating me, etc. But of course the older you are, the greater you feel the benefits.