_Richard_

this is interesting.. almost like it's adapting to what the planet needs

Tom_PM

What we seem to be getting lately is symantics issues. I believe in global warming, but for me the jury is still out on whether HUMANS have contributed in some statistically significant way. To me it's not "global warming versus natural cycle", it's "human activity CAUSING warming (y/n)".

No doubt slashing rain forests has some negative effect simply because less trees = less CO2 processed by trees. I dont need more info on that particular aspect to decide that more living trees = better for everyone.

Just like I dont need more info to decide that less greenhouse gasses released directly into the atmosphere by factories and power plants in the world = better for everyone.

Forget the forest, just look at the trees in this case.

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I gotta question here

what exactly is the ideal temperature for earth?

if scientists cant agree on that how the fuck are they going to tell me that the earth is warming? or cooling?

The earth 's climate is cyclical, there once were orange groves in south GA, S GA is now way too cool to grow orange trees.

I honestly think we have way more important problems at hand than "global warming" there are too many factors involved to determine if we have any effect and all and even whther its bad or good.
Theres shit out there could wipe out civilization here in the blink of an eye...dont buy it? ask the dinosaurs LOL

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Dollarmansteve

No one can deny the correlations. There is a strong correlation between human industrual activiy and climate / weather fluctuations. Unfortunately, there was climate volatility in the pre-industrial world - how is that explained? What is the magnitude of the effect of human activity on the system? Are there factors whose effect on the system is many orders of magnitude greater than human activity?

It's like, say you have a big swimming pool that is the earth's climate. There is a GIANT drain in the bottom of the pool. The change in the system is the change in water level. So what is the human activity? is it equivalent to poking tiny pinholes in the liner? causing a change, measurable but insignificant?? I mean, if there is 1 pinhole in the liner.. it is true that the water level is decreasing, however small the change. But what about the drain?? Maybe changes in solar activity is equivalent to opening the GIANT drain in the pool, causing a rapid and massive drop in the water level.. or maybe it IS true that human activity adds another giant drain to the pool, or makes the big drain significantly larger. The fact of the matter is, I don't think we really know what the causal relationship is.

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Whether you believe in global warming or not isn't the issue for me. In my opinion it can't hurt to change one's lifestyle a little and become greener. I haven't driven a motor vehicle of any kind to get to work in 18 years. I've replaced several bulbs in my home with the longer-lasting more energy efficient ones, I installed water displacers in the backs of the toilet tanks many years ago in my house and rental property, I use an electric mower, have had the house insulated inside and out, I recycle, and I am walking and biking now more than ever. It's a start anyway, but I'm sure I am greener than most.

The question is, how green are you?

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Tom_PM

Yeah, I dont think we can say one way or the other. Just do whatever we can if we want.

I've also had CFL's since before they were popular. In 77 when my family moved we bought a black n decker electric mower. Never ran over the cord even once. Thing never died either, and always started. Flip a switch, mower's on. Half the noise too. It's hard to imagine (for me) that gasoline powered 2 stroke engines for "home use" have not been banned, but hey thats just me. I still think that "leaf blower" is just another name for "you annoying piece of shit, turn that fucking gas sucking smelly pollution maker off and try a rake unless you prefer my foot in your ass". but thats just me.

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YOU ARE SO WRONG!

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No reason to show disgust. Even today, let alone just before the little Ice Age happened, volcanoes polluted the earth far more than humans ever can or will. Add in the oceans, which do the same thing every day, far beating humans. All the natural crap we burn and use, well the earth does the exact same thing with it, at much much much more massive levels, daily.

We are hurting, humans... not earth. I'm all for keeping the earth and air clean, but for the safety of human life, not for the boiling rock that can fart methane gas at a level so large than all life would die the next time someone light a smoke.

Some far greater things going on with earth, the sun, the universe, than the ants that like to think they running the show.

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Dollarmansteve

I completely agree. It often gets lost in the arguing and name calling that most debates degrade into that just because you might question global warming doesn't make you anti-green. It's a net positive when you conserve energy / resources in any way possible - whether it be electricity, gasoline, water, etc.

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I'm sick to death of hearing about it to be honest.

It all seems like just another way of getting money out of us by adding more 'green' taxes onto things...

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sltr

in your1st post you accuse people of being sheeple- *buying* the global warming marketing strategy.

yet, the 2nd post you state you are basically green and above namecalling/arguing


non sequitur

CDSmith

And the amount of money I've saved is astronomical. 18 years of not driving a car to work = huge dollars.

15 years of water saving methods
And now that the house is fully insulated the savings on heat every year is crazy.

I'm loving this go green thing.

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baddog

Can't really argue with you there as Schwinn is about 8 years older than H-D, and there is probably a good chance that they actually had Schwinn provide the peddles.



Never really investigated the peddle manufacturer before.

baddog

You really think that is the "green" solution?

tony286

Actually over a diesel mower probably. Probably the greenest would be like my grandfather had, the wheels with the blades that you pushed for it cut. That was a workout. lol

baddog

I did not know they even made a diesel lawn mower, had to Google it.

You must be a lot younger than I thought if your grandfather had a push mower and not your dad.

Dollarmansteve

So environmental consciousness cannot exist mutually exclusive of green marketing? You're trying to point out an inconsistency, yet there isn't one.

If I buy a CF lightbulb that a) lasts longer than a filament bulb and b) saves me money, that's a little different that buying a prius. I never claimed to be "green" - I drive a car with a 5.7L engine for example - what I said what that making environmental choices that reduce energy use have a net positive effect on both the environment and your pocketbook. Neither of which have anything to do with global warming / climate change.

Global Warming has become a political term, and most people like things dumbed down as much as possible, they want to know the "package" they are dealing with when talking to someone. It becomes troublesome when a person can be skeptical of global warming and yet environmentally conscious, since most people just "buy-in" to the whole lot.

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I agree on most thing you stated, and I am wondered by your positive green behavior.

You all must know its not just about global warming, this issue is much more complex. The root of the problem is the huge increase of greenhouse gas emissions lately. Did you know that WATER is a top greenhouse gas? The effect of global warming is desertification. The effect of devastating the jungles are the same. The population of Earth is growing. It needs more food and clean water. More desert: fewer places to plant crops. Global warming should be a normal process but the human activity is boosting it for sure and this can be very nasty in like 20 years from now.

If anyone is leaving adult ever, I suggest to invest in food or water industry because of the growing need is already increasing the prices and it will continue steadily for a while.

We can argue some more but for me its very simple:
Do you want your kids to grow up and see forests and nice green environment or you don't care and shit into their future by polluting the planet to death?

A lot of dutch webmasters here, they must know its no joke, they have to be top-notch in water management to keep the water out with exceptional dams and whatever? One-third of NL was under was a century ago [these are now called "polder areas"]? Imo even the low chance of getting flooded could make 60% of the dutch people shit their pants : if water is coming inside 60% of them have to move, because they live under the sea level :P

If you're interested and don't know about this, read about Kyoto Protocol.

Besides the food and water problem we also face energy addiction problems. Tank gas or use any kind of energy at home or anywhere is most likely related to pollution: producing the energy the "usual way" comes with different kind of pollutions: we have to take care of nuclear waste of the nuclear plants and energy made of coal is the cheapest but most polluting form of energy source. China does coal mining and most of their energy is made of coal. When you mine coal, you have to mine it when its dry, therefore you need to install tons of waterpumps near that zone, and they are sucking out the pure and clean water seriously damaging the stocks (right now in Kuwait the clean water is more expensive than petrol). Plus pumping the water out of a huge zone for 20-40 years (the lifetime of a coal mine) makes all green areas to run dry as well [haha I was researching this exactly in NL in 2005 as an ERASMUS student ].

Again, you can give a fuck, but if you care at least a bit please a bit more environment friendly. If you don't know whats that take a day out and eat some mushrooms outside in the summer sun in a park for example. It will convert you for sure ;)

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you got to be kidding me?

CDSmith

"green-ER"

As in greener than gas. And yes, it's quite economical. And as a side bonus, mine just happens to be whisper quiet. No pissed off nieghbors.

And no, I'm not going to quibble over it. The expert assessment guy from the gov't I had to the house twice last year when I did my insulating also said electric is greener than a gas mower.

Obviously the best is a push mower. I'm not about to go that green with the lawn car. I use manual hedge clippers, that's as far as I'm willing to take it, for now.

What kind of mower do you use?

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Tom_PM

They still make brand spanking new push mowers, including the superior cutting "reel" style

An electric mower is "better" than a gas one IMHO because it doesnt pollute directly where you live, and the noise level is so much more tolerable. Just pretending the fuel for gas and electric was exactly the same, there are still advantages to using the electric one, even if it's a plug-in and not a rechargeable.

Of course, if you have a kid and a push mower, you're all set

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CDSmith

Actuallyyyyy.... while I was outside just now mowing my grass with my whisper quiet electric, the elderly neighbor lady who can barely lift a fly was out with her new push mower, one of those new ones. She was cutting that grass pretty easily it looked to me.

I think those things have come a long way since back in ancient times when we were kids.

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i do see what you are saying now.

i also believe that the current green marketing trend is opposite of how you say, except for the fact that consumers need to be told what to buy and they do go buy it when they are told.

american car manufacturers were poised to go beyond 2010 with SUVs for instance, as a result of all the green speak, many marques have canceled plans for future SUV models, slowed/halted production on current ones and have shifted manufacturing AND marketing to address the new need for green that consumers have.

i see the hypocrisy, hell, i've started referring to my neighborchick as the single serving granola girl. she yaps about green shit while she's drinking assembly line green tea from a small plastic bottle.

dav3

You make some good points. But don't underestimate the destruction of an army of carpenter ants or termites on your wooden home.

I grew up with 2 steel mills and a coal plant in my town, right on the Ohio river. Everyone who lives there knows how terrible the water is in that river is and also how terrible the air smells.

While human pollution does not really affect the overall health of the earth, it does have an effect on the extremely fragile environmental conditions that humans need to live.

Honestly, it should be common knowledge that humans are directly affecting the Earth's environmental conditions. For a lot of people, you just have to look out your window to realize it.

There's a reason that you don't run your car inside with the garage door closed. Population increases everyday and vegetation decreases to make room for housing and stuff, which is effectively making your garage smaller and your exhaust pipe bigger.

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CDSmith

You have them using push mowers I presume? :D

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CDSmith

The rest of what you said I basically agree with, but for the above portion I think it has less to do with global warming and more to do with the price of gas of late. When it used to cost $60 to fill up the SUV and now it's $120, a lot of people are no longer interested in buying another one, and are having trouble selling the one they have. One guy I know has a big diesel 3/4 ton and can't sell it for enough to cover what he still owes on it.


Regarding the chick that lives next door to you, if she's that dumb AND hot.... then it's okay.

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pocketkangaroo

Great post. I never understood why it's such a big deal to be a little more greener. No one is saying people should start walking 20 miles to work or not use AC in the summer. It's just about little things that help. Installing a fan to save on electricity in the summer. Insulating your home for the winter better. Most of these things will also save you money in the long run too.

None of this has to be about climate change, just healthier living. If you ever go through a major city in the summer, you can see the smog billowing overhead. No one here can tell me that inhaling that is good for you. That our ecosystem doesn't mind having tons of crap put into the air and waters. Our planet isn't as resilient as we think, small changes to the ecosystem can have massive effects on our lives. In the end, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

mvee

I like #2

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If we had to think logically about everything we did, we?d never do anything at all, says neuroscientist Chris Frith.

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sltr

yah, she's hot. took me to this living food restaurant over the weekend. nothing cooked.
basically one more step beyond vegan. i poured out my coconut water when she went to the bathroom.

but yes, mpg is an important component of the new marketing. for me, green means energy conservation- period.

also, not sure if y'all see the same thing happening in canadia but we're seeing a lot of oil co advertising toting their green initiatives/oil alternative research, all in the green theme.

pocketkangaroo

You don't think the SUV thing has anything to do with the fact the economy sucks and gas is through the roof? Getting 10 MPG isn't as attractive when you're paying nearly $5 a gallon.

baddog

Where did you go? I have been to a couple raw food restaurants with my daughter . . . you would think it would be cheaper than a surf and turf, but not so.

Dollarmansteve

Heretic!!

Stepane Dion, the leader of the Liberal Party in canada, has an agressive carbon tax plan that will decimate the oil and gas industry in this country (Canada) and put tens of thousands of people out of work - politicians are the greatest threat to our society, not carbon

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y0 pocketkangaroo, i appended my comments, in my my mind i think green is energy conservation, thus my too generalized comment.

i just checked the receipt, it's the tierra bella cafe- on pch at about ave i, i believe, we walked there.

the french toast was not 1/2 bad, made out of dehydrated things, had a smoothie that was super good actually, but the color threw me.

Odie

there you go again Steve...stirrin the pot!

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baddog

Was the french toast made with real bread? One of the places I went to would never use "bread" but rather smash for stuff into a paste and let it dry on the sidewalk or something.

sltr

i mentioned the french toast was made of "dehydrated things"

it was a living food restaurant, which as i understood it means no cooked food, obviously no meat, certainly no bread.

Michaelious

Still missing the point. Either way look after the environment.

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Sorry, scanning does that.

Drake

Global warming schwarming

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Skip the religious propaganda.

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CDSmith

Right now it's global RAINING. Holy huge thunderboomer overhead batman!

Yet still I remain at the computer. :D

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I'm not sure what to think

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