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Kevsh 07-24-2008 09:52 PM

It is has been argued scientifically that there is a high probability that somewhere in the universe there is some form of intelligent life. Now whether or not they know, care to know or have tried to find others (as we have done) is impossible to guess.

But if they have found our planet, they may have done so millions of years ago when it was a fairly empty rock. Perhaps they found us when there were dinosaurs. Perhaps they won't find us for another 10,000 or 10 million years.

But to think they've pulled up into Texas (or Arizona, or Italy or Australia) in a little tiny ship to take a closer look - after traveling millions of miles, none the less - defies rational logic.

moeloubani 07-24-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14503887)
This is why Humans are funny:):1orglaugh
Think they got a good grasp of the universe and everything about it and how it works...

It is entertaining.

It's more entertaining when people laugh at things that have been proven true.

When a computer models the universe based on what we know (universal constants, equations and theories all accounted for) then we get a result that looks just like our universe today. If we change anything at all, even a little bit, then the end result looks drastically different. So I'm not sure what you're getting at since people KNOW this stuff is true, have proven it true, and even applied it to technology you use everyday that wouldn't function without it.

GregE 07-24-2008 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 14503767)
One of the surefire reasons I just can't believe in alien spaceships landing on earth without proof is just the sheer neatness of aliens only ever being ~100 years further ahead in technology than us. It's just an extra layer of improbability.

Indeed :)

With respect to your other excellent points...

Something like a third of what we see in the night time sky isn't there anymore, while at the same time, there's just as much else that is but won't become visible from here for anywhere from another hundred to another million years.

Here's something else to ponder...

According to Einstein, if you travel fast enough, you go back in time. So, I suppose it's at least theoretically possible to visit those points of light in the sky that aren't there anymore, if your spaceship travels fast enough. Of course, once you return home from such a trip they'll be nobody to tell about it... because home won't be there yet.

Hey, who needs chemicals when you can twist your mind talking about this shit.

Voodoo 07-24-2008 10:05 PM

http://www.physics.utah.edu/~cassida...s/image020.jpg

moeloubani 07-24-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14503922)
Indeed :)

With respect to your other excellent points...

Something like a third of what we see in the night time sky isn't there anymore, while at the same time, there's just as much else that is but won't become visible from here for anywhere from another hundred to another million years.

Here's something else to ponder...

According to Einstein, if you travel fast enough, you go back in time. So, I suppose it's at least theoretically possible to visit those points of light in the sky that aren't there anymore, if your spaceship travels fast enough. Of course, once you return home from such a trip they'll be nobody to tell about it... because home won't be there yet.

Hey, who needs chemicals when you can twist your mind talking about this shit.

Einstein never said if you travel fast enough you go back in time. That's just a lie/misinformation.

His equations actually prove that it is impossible to travel back in time!

However in a weird sort of way, you can travel to the future if you travel close to the speed of light. For example, I take off on a spaceship and set my clock, my speed is 50% the speed of light and I travel for 1 hour according to my clock. I might land and years might have passed from where I took off even though only 1 hour has passed for me.

GregE 07-24-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14503957)
However in a weird sort of way, you can travel to the future if you travel close to the speed of light. For example, I take off on a spaceship and set my clock, my speed is 50% the speed of light and I travel for 1 hour according to my clock. I might land and years might have passed from where I took off even though only 1 hour has passed for me.

So what you're saying in effect is that no matter how fast you travel, you'll never be able to return from a space trip in a relatively short period of time and, in fact, the faster you go the longer it'll be before you return.

Well, if true, that alone should rule out the idea of visitors from outer space.

potter 07-24-2008 10:26 PM

So people believe that faster than the speed of light travel is possible. As even the speed of light is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow to traverse the universe.

People believe, beings have this ability. An ability, that is so beyond our realm of possibilities. Would inherently be more powerful, knowledgeable, and smarter than GOD himself.

People believe these beings spend their time traveling the universe to explore? To explore earth?

And lastly. People believe these beings have done all this, and come all this way, with all this power. And our government somehow has the ability to cover it up?

Ha!

moeloubani 07-24-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14504017)
So what you're saying in effect is that no matter how fast you travel, you'll never be able to return from a space trip in a relatively short period of time and, in fact, the faster you go the longer it'll be before you return.

Well, if true, that alone should rule out the idea of visitors from outer space.

No no, right now GPS satellites and other satellites take this effect into consideration to keep them accurate. Without it they would be way off.

This is what the whole relativity thing is about, relative to you and yourself you will only have been gone say one hour. That much time will have passed on your clock and you'll be an hour older. But relative to the people still on Earth (or anyone else not moving with you) time will have marched at a different pace.

If anything that means that space travel will be easier, because we can travel for 10000 human years meanwhile the astronauts have only been traveling for (for example) 5 years. The problem with Aliens isn't that, its length contraction and the increase of mass that happens as you approach the speed of light.

After Shock Media 07-24-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14503777)
I don't have the patience to even bother responding other than saying: Tech advances at an incredible rate daily. I am sure someone will make a breakthrough at some point. Not like we'd know anyway - you'll be dead in 30 years and me in 60.

More presumptions like always, hell you even hazarded to guess how many years I and you will have left. I already know I type a lot, and I only argue on points I do have a grasp well beyond guessing. I also am first to admit when I am wrong unlike say you for instance.

I will make it very simple for you. Unless we reinvent physics and/or harness and can use a wormhole, or bend space that shit just will not happen.

No go ahead and throw some additional insults and blame it on lack of patience.

Fap 07-24-2008 10:30 PM


Spunky 07-24-2008 10:35 PM

The mother ship is coming

Evil E 07-24-2008 10:43 PM

I'm more excited about parallel universes/time travel then aliens.

That should come soon with the LHC at CERN.

Tat2Jr 07-24-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14503779)
Anyone who knows about physics will tell you this.....

I always remember being told in school that we'd never ever ever be able to clone a mammal. That it was absolutely impossible.

moeloubani 07-24-2008 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr (Post 14504140)
I always remember being told in school that we'd never ever ever be able to clone a mammal. That it was absolutely impossible.

I'm sure the person who told you that was as credible as the professors that I got my info from.

GregE 07-24-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14504049)
If anything that means that space travel will be easier, because we can travel for 10000 human years meanwhile the astronauts have only been traveling for (for example) 5 years.

The only problem here is that by the time those very same astronauts complete their round trip by returning home (10 of their years later) 20,000 years will have passed on their home planet.

The people who greet them (if there are any) may or may not be interested in hearing about the astronauts adventures but the whole exercise seems rather impractical in any case.


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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14504049)
The problem with Aliens isn't that, its length contraction and the increase of mass that happens as you approach the speed of light.

Okay, now you've lost me :)

TTiger 07-24-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14503779)
Anyone who knows about physics will tell you this:

The idea of Aliens traveling from outer space to Earth is very slim. BUT if they could, they would have to travel at close to the speed of light to do it.

When you start talking about speeds like the speed of light (c) then you have to know the work Einstein did and what his theories (which have since been proven) state.

As you approach the speed of light your length contracts and your mass increases. Soo if there was a car that was 20 ft long and a garage that was stationary and only 10 feet long. That car, if it was traveling close enough to the speed of light, could go into the garage, and both doors could close at the same time. This is because the actual length of the car changes.

The same holds true for mass, as your speed increases and starts going towards any fraction of the speed of light (like 1% of the speed of light and this is noticeable) then whatever object it is gets more massive. Light can go the speed of light because a photon has no mass. Everything else is limited by that.

IF Aliens found a way to skip physics and do something where the speed of light wouldn't be a limiting factor, it would also mean that there would be no limit on the size of their spacecraft. So why would they come around in a tiny little flying saucer? It wouldn't need to be aerodynamic, and it could be as big as the Starship Enterprise! There would be no point in sending out tiny little drone ships when you can send out fully equipped battle/eco dome cruisers.

http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/pu...2030shigh.jpeg

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-24-2008 11:14 PM

I invented Battle Ecodome Cruisers.

GregE 07-24-2008 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14503779)
Anyone who knows about physics will tell you this:

The idea of Aliens traveling from outer space to Earth is very slim. BUT if they could, they would have to travel at close to the speed of light to do it.

When you start talking about speeds like the speed of light (c) then you have to know the work Einstein did and what his theories (which have since been proven) state.

As you approach the speed of light your length contracts and your mass increases. Soo if there was a car that was 20 ft long and a garage that was stationary and only 10 feet long. That car, if it was traveling close enough to the speed of light, could go into the garage, and both doors could close at the same time. This is because the actual length of the car changes.

The same holds true for mass, as your speed increases and starts going towards any fraction of the speed of light (like 1% of the speed of light and this is noticeable) then whatever object it is gets more massive. Light can go the speed of light because a photon has no mass. Everything else is limited by that.

IF Aliens found a way to skip physics and do something where the speed of light wouldn't be a limiting factor, it would also mean that there would be no limit on the size of their spacecraft. So why would they come around in a tiny little flying saucer? It wouldn't need to be aerodynamic, and it could be as big as the Starship Enterprise! There would be no point in sending out tiny little drone ships when you can send out fully equipped battle/eco dome cruisers.

Please disregard my previous comment. Now I see what you mean about mass and contraction and such.

Dirty F 07-24-2008 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet (Post 14503136)
more and more of this evidence and people finally speaking up are starting to happen all the time

More and more evidence? Point me out ONE piece of real evidence? Just one man.

Dirty F 07-24-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14503531)
Those who don't believe in aliens are very conceited.

If humans are the smartest and most advanced species in in the universe, then the universe truly is a sad place.

Ofcourse there is life on another planets but tiny big headed aliens visiting earth...uhm no.

The chance of aliens looking anything like humans is already almost 0.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-24-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14503906)
It's more entertaining when people laugh at things that have been proven true.

When a computer models the universe based on what we know (universal constants, equations and theories all accounted for) then we get a result that looks just like our universe today. If we change anything at all, even a little bit, then the end result looks drastically different. So I'm not sure what you're getting at since people KNOW this stuff is true, have proven it true, and even applied it to technology you use everyday that wouldn't function without it.

There are other theories as well.

What about riding the magnetic coil's that hold this galaxy together.

Jump a coil then fall out of it then travel Sub FTL to a destination?
All planets are linked by magnetics including the sun and thus linked to all suns in this galaxy?
Whats to say a large spacecraft is necessary at all?

What can be small on the outside can be very big on the inside.

Can you derive a theory on this or do you know of such theories at all?:)

Dirty F 07-24-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14503735)
There very well may be species that are thousands if not tens of thousands of years ahead of us time wise. No argument there at all.

Id say millions. 1000's is nothing. The universe is 15 billion years old or something. Were a pretty young planet. Another civ. could be easily a billion year older than us. Can you imagine that.

2012 07-24-2008 11:24 PM

i am here only to observe and communicate back to the mother ship ....


beeedy beeedy beedy

2012 07-24-2008 11:30 PM

http://www.fartfly.com/they_live.jpg

moeloubani 07-24-2008 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14504206)
There are other theories as well.

What about riding the magnetic coil's that hold this galaxy together.

Jump a coil then fall out of it then travel Sub FTL to a destination?
All planets are linked by magnetics including the sun and thus linked to all suns in this galaxy?
Whats to say a large spacecraft is necessary at all?

What can be small on the outside can be very big on the inside.

Can you derive a theory on this or do you know of such theories at all?:)

There are no magnetic coils, just gravity!

moeloubani 07-24-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14504207)
Id say millions. 1000's is nothing. The universe is 15 billion years old or something. Were a pretty young planet. Another civ. could be easily a billion year older than us. Can you imagine that.

It's almost a guarantee that there are other civilizations and other species, but they're not visiting Earth! It's still crazy though to think that somewhere billions and billions of miles away there is some dude typing on a FUTVYR keyboard (they don't have QWERTY) and visiting com.gfy :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

bhutocracy 07-24-2008 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TTiger (Post 14504155)

Blackholes, several thousand curious but extinct civilisations can't be wrong.

Rochard 07-25-2008 12:01 AM

Have you BOB from Lightspeed Cash?

Have you seen his balls?

I swear to god no human can have balls like this. It's physically impossible.

He's an alien. Got to be!

moeloubani 07-25-2008 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14504179)
Please disregard my previous comment. Now I see what you mean about mass and contraction and such.

Isn't it crazy how that works? It's hard to imagine and it took me a while before my brain started to accept it but shit gets crazy! Funny thing is though that we know so much about everything except the one that is most noticeable, gravity. We really don't know what causes gravity (there are theories, just nothing that's been proven) but they're hoping to either prove or disprove them using that thing ^^^^^^

CyberHustler 07-25-2008 12:17 AM

I'd fuck a female alien...

Gasper 07-25-2008 12:59 AM

http://www.originalprop.com/blog/wp-.../02/engage.jpg

Drake 07-25-2008 01:08 AM

We are aliens. Thousands of years ago our ancestors came to Earth and made it our new home.

Oh, it's all true. Because I said so.

The Duck 07-25-2008 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14503496)
The Catholic church's official position is that life on other planets is possible. There are a lot of religious people who believe in aliens.

The interesting thing about alien life and religion is that the Bible doesn't explain the history of God, the angels and that sort of thing. Could it be that the "higher powers" in the Bible are actually aliens?

There are numerous alien references in the Bible too.

Most interesting are the annunaki, the gods or angels who descended from heaven and mated with human females.

grumpy 07-25-2008 01:20 AM

you guys are so funny, the radio interview they are talking about is from the comedy show newsradio.

BusterBunny 07-25-2008 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14503779)
Anyone who knows about physics will tell you this:

The idea of Aliens traveling from outer space to Earth is very slim. BUT if they could, they would have to travel at close to the speed of light to do it.

When you start talking about speeds like the speed of light (c) then you have to know the work Einstein did and what his theories (which have since been proven) state.

As you approach the speed of light your length contracts and your mass increases. Soo if there was a car that was 20 ft long and a garage that was stationary and only 10 feet long. That car, if it was traveling close enough to the speed of light, could go into the garage, and both doors could close at the same time. This is because the actual length of the car changes.

The same holds true for mass, as your speed increases and starts going towards any fraction of the speed of light (like 1% of the speed of light and this is noticeable) then whatever object it is gets more massive. Light can go the speed of light because a photon has no mass. Everything else is limited by that.

IF Aliens found a way to skip physics and do something where the speed of light wouldn't be a limiting factor, it would also mean that there would be no limit on the size of their spacecraft. So why would they come around in a tiny little flying saucer? It wouldn't need to be aerodynamic, and it could be as big as the Starship Enterprise! There would be no point in sending out tiny little drone ships when you can send out fully equipped battle/eco dome cruisers.

you are using einstein's theories and they are full of wormholes which are the most efficient way of travel....i think the odds are a decent ;)

Gunni 07-25-2008 01:35 AM

why use speed to travel the universe when you can just use teleporting?
We've been on this earth for such a short time and still we've managed so much, what if some civilization developed somewhere 1 million years ahead of us, can you imagine what out technology will be like in 1 million years?
That is ofcourse if we don't kill ourselves first

Nishville 07-25-2008 01:39 AM

Imma looking forward to new unexplored niche.

moeloubani 07-25-2008 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny (Post 14504407)
you are using einstein's theories and they are full of wormholes which are the most efficient way of travel....i think the odds are a decent ;)

Except those are wormholes on an atomic level, bigger wormholes would need some crazy matter to keep them up, tons of energy, and even then I think if you sent a single elementary particle through it would shut it down. Maybe not though?

But still, that's our best chance of traveling far distances. But time travel I'm not so sure of, Stephen Hawking said something along the lines of 'If there will ever be time travel, then why are we not flooded with people from the future?'

BusterBunny 07-25-2008 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunni (Post 14504416)
why use speed to travel the universe when you can just use teleporting?
We've been on this earth for such a short time and still we've managed so much, what if some civilization developed somewhere 1 million years ahead of us, can you imagine what out technology will be like in 1 million years?
That is ofcourse if we don't kill ourselves first

they can teleport individual atoms so it's coming...

Gunni 07-25-2008 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 14504424)
why are we not flooded with people from the future?'

who says we're not?


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