Is Paying For Sex Bad?

[dave90210]

If you find a chick let's say on CL and you fuck her and see her on a regular basis is that bad? You trust her and get along and there is some chemistry.

Some people don't have time for dates and just want to fuck. Taking a girl out for a week could cost well over $150, more than it would cost you to hookup with a hottie on CL.

What do you guys think?

[After Shock Media]

Do not look for excuses and or reasons to justify it. It is your money and you are the only person who has to answer for your own actions. If you want to just pay for convenience then go for it.

[qxm]

you should repent, confess your sins and say 69 hail Maries .... then call her and get some more

[cali_22]

Never why would you say that?

[Jarmusch]

It beats spending money on a realdoll

[Spunky]

We all pay for it one way or another..rent it

[dave90210]

Yeah for sure why pay $5,000 for plastic when you can get the real thing for $150. Ive never been a fan of the realdoll I want something that moves and is warm.

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

It beats spending money on a realdoll

[minddust]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Yeah for sure why pay $5,000 for plastic when you can get the real thing for $150. Ive never been a fan of the realdoll I want something that moves and is warm.

You can get a russian wife in the crate for $999

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by dave90210

I want something that moves and is warm.

exactly!

[dave90210]

Lol, or you could get a bird.

Originally Posted by Antonio

exactly!

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by dave90210

If you find a chick let's say on CL and you fuck her and see her on a regular basis is that bad? You trust her and get along and there is some chemistry.

Yea, that sounds like paid sex right there....

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Do not look for excuses and or reasons to justify it. It is your money and you are the only person who has to answer for your own actions. If you want to just pay for convenience then go for it.

Well said.

[Zester]

me think:
paying for sex = not bad.
paying for bad sex = bad

me go smoke more green now, rain comes soon, makes things wet, then sun comes, makes things dry

[hypedough]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Do not look for excuses and or reasons to justify it.

I agree with only that line. I think it's pretty low enabling some of these people like you are doing.

[xmas13]

It's fine but you will enjoy it even more if you think it's wrong. )))))))

What a bad boy, bad bad bad very bad... ))

[polish_aristocrat]

looks like not many people think like Rhesus on this board.....

[[ Nate ]]

Its your money and your life. Do whatever you want. If she is willing to accept payment for her services, then its a business transaction. If she is having to do it because her pimp beats her down if she doesn't...well....then you REALLY have to do it. ...Just trying to keep the girl from getting the backhand.

If she is a slave...then maybe you should reconsider and let the next guy in line do it instead...unless of course your into that sort of thing. If so, then go for it.

[Bhunter]

Dating or not, it always comes to one result, you pay for sex.

[Evil E]

Nothing wrong with it. It's even legal in a lot of places.

*heads off for a 4hands rub n tug*

[Vick!]

Dating a neat chick and then having sex is 10 times better than just buying sex. I'd prefer masturbating over doing a hooker, even if it costs more its worth it.

How can you kiss a body already have been kissed by dozens? Blowjobs? Boob fuck? If its not about kissing, sucking lips/nips .. I don't see it any different than masturbation.

just my

[DirtyProfits]

I would not have a problem with paying for sex but fucking a hooker is kinda nasty so I don't do it.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Vick!

Dating a neat chick and then having sex is 10 times better than just buying sex. I'd prefer masturbating over doing a hooker, even if it costs more its worth it.

How can you kiss a body already have been kissed by dozens? Blowjobs? Boob fuck? If its not about kissing, sucking lips/nips .. I don't see it any different than masturbation.

just my

Well tehnicily there is no different between fucking bar sluts or hookers.

[Reak AGV]

I cant think of the last time I didnt pay for sex..

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

looks like not many people think like Rhesus on this board.....

Well, well... I'm not strictly against paying for sex (although I'd never do it myself), there's just a few things:

1. In biological Darwinian terms, those who pay for sex are losers and unfit.

2. I think paid sex rarely constitutes a fair and equal business transaction. A business transaction is rarely equal, but considering all other factors (social, psychological, physical), a "paid sex" transaction is in most cases exceptionally abusive. I find the abuse factor even bigger in cases where westerners (sex tourists like Reak and a few others on this board) use the inequality between their and the prostitute's financial situation to their advantage (or so they think).

3. Whether it's justified or not, some things are unacceptable in our society, and paying for sex is one of them (it is at least in my milieu). It's not necessarily a bad thing to adhere to social norms. You don't walk around naked. You don't steal from others (some of us do). Why then steal someone's dignity, are your beastly drifts so strong?

[Rhesus]

And for those of you who say that everyone pays for sex (by paying for a dinner or whatever) - go fool yourself some more!

Obviously there's a big difference as well as a gradient. Some girls are borderline hookers, but in most cases the sex actually has very little to do with the money spent.

Tell me, whoremongers and sex tourists - has paying for sex really enhanced your lives? I mean, really, objectively? Do you tell every person you meet you pay for sex? Do you feel you can be completely open about this part of your life with everyone?

Reak, I'm seriously curious, if ever you get a real girlfriend in the future, how do you think she would feel about the countless whores you've slept with before? Should you ever get children (you may not be the type), would you proudly tell them?

Those emotional arguments of mine are weak, but not feeling completely happy about paying for sex (I'm sure most whoremongers aren't) signals one feels something isn't right about it.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by Reak AGV

I cant think of the last time I didnt pay for sex..

Did you lose your virginity to a hooker?

[Evil E]

Isn't it a little bit of a double standard for you to post here Rhesus?

I'm all for whores and prostitution(would love to see it legalized worldwide) so it is professional and clean.

Maybe you are better than everyone, but there's some people who can't get a date because they are ugly/stupid/disabled or whatever. Don't you think they should refrain from having sex?

Let's say you didn't have sex in 6mo and you don't feel like raping a chick, isn't it better to go see a professional and take care of that?

My guess is that people don't only go see girls like that for sexual relief but also for touching another human being. Being alone is unhealthy.

Anyways, there's 2000 reasons why I am for it, and I'm not even a fan of it. But if I am single, and walking in the red light district and see the girl of my dreams i'll probably spend the money to have some fun. Why not?

You never go to the strippers? Never bought porn? This is also paying for sex in my opinion.

[Reak AGV]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

Reak, I'm seriously curious, if ever you get a real girlfriend in the future, how do you think she would feel about the countless whores you've slept with before? Should you ever get children (you may not be the type), would you proudly tell them?

Rhesus, yeah I'm completely open with anyone that I have sex with hookers. There's no reason to be ashamed of it. If there ever comes a girl in my life and we would stay together for longtime she will be told. And my children if any would get to know if they reach a good age for it

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by Evil E

Isn't it a little bit of a double standard for you to post here Rhesus?

I'm all for whores and prostitution(would love to see it legalized worldwide) so it is professional and clean.

Maybe you are better than everyone, but there's some people who can't get a date because they are ugly/stupid/disabled or whatever. Don't you think they should refrain from having sex?

Let's say you didn't have sex in 6mo and you don't feel like raping a chick, isn't it better to go see a professional and take care of that?

My guess is that people don't only go see girls like that for sexual relief but also for touching another human being. Being alone is unhealthy.

Anyways, there's 2000 reasons why I am for it, and I'm not even a fan of it. But if I am single, and walking in the red light district and see the girl of my dreams i'll probably spend the money to have some fun. Why not?

You never go to the strippers? Never bought porn? This is also paying for sex in my opinion.

Never gone to the strippers or bought porn indeed. But please look at my original post again, I'm not strictly against paying for sex, I just think it's morally objectionable in many or most cases. Prostitution is legal here and I think that's probably a good thing, mostly because it's now easier to regulate. The local girls who work here should objectively have the same chances as everyone else at succeeding in life. Still, a lot have a past full of emotional or sexual abuse preventing them from taking the right decisions. I think as a customer of such girls you're abusing their situation.

But again, I'm sure there are situations where a business transaction is fair and parties are equal.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

Tell me, whoremongers and sex tourists - has paying for sex really enhanced your lives? I mean, really, objectively? Do you tell every person you meet you pay for sex? Do you feel you can be completely open about this part of your life with everyone?

Does buying drugs, paying for porn or even coming enhance one's life? I mean, really, objectively? Do you tell every person that you meet you hang on GFY?

You're being silly. Two adults want to exchange a service for a money. It's only wrong on those that wish to judge others.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by Reak AGV

Rhesus, yeah I'm completely open with anyone that I have sex with hookers. There's no reason to be ashamed of it. If there ever comes a girl in my life and we would stay together for longtime she will be told. And my children if any would get to know if they reach a good age for it

Of course she should be told, heh. But I can't imagine she would like it... The same could be true for your children.

I personally wouldn't like the idea of my girlfriend having had a load of other guys before me, and I think the same goes the other way around. I shouldn't rage on too much about it as I feel I'm being pushy about my own standards, and to each his own, I guess, when it comes to relationships.

But I stick to my opinion about sex tourism and most cases of prostitution.

But if you indeed lost your virginity to a hooker, isn't that ultra-argument-number-1 (referring to one of my previous posts)?

[bloggingseo]

Man there are so many arguments for and against. I guess I see it as no harm, no foul. As long as the women are doing it of their own free will then I don't think people should be bothered by it at all. It's the woman's choice and the man's and I have no problems at all with that.

However, if some sex slave owned by some pimp for paying off her father's debt or some other disgusting human trafficking stuff is going on, then I am against it bigtime. It sickens me to no end that people sell human beings into the sex trade. THOSE people deserve to die painful deaths imho. And if the "Joe" buying services knows these women are sex slaves or forced into prostitution, then they are just as guilty as the guys who are pimping them out.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Does buying drugs, paying for porn or even coming enhance one's life? I mean, really, objectively? Do you tell every person that you meet you hang on GFY?

You're being silly. Two adults want to exchange a service for a money. It's only wrong on those that wish to judge others.

Yeah, that part of my argumentation was a bit silly. But what I meant is that you consensually become an outcast as well as abuse others, for presumably little personal benefit. Buying drugs doesn't really harm others, I think, unless you risk becoming addicted and such, with all the effects of it.

Paying for porn surely doesn't enhance your life (I mean, it wouldn't enhance my life). I do indeed have some issues with porn (more, lately) because I feel it may have an abusive nature in some cases. The money trail is much longer and more intricate, but I think one cannot be sure that somewhere down the line there aren't models for whom paid sex doesn't constitute a fair and equal business transaction.

[Reak AGV]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

I personally wouldn't like the idea of my girlfriend having had a load of other guys before me, and I think the same goes the other way around. I shouldn't rage on too much about it as I feel I'm being pushy about my own standards, and to each his own, I guess, when it comes to relationships.

But I stick to my opinion about sex tourism and most cases of prostitution.

But if you indeed lost your virginity to a hooker, isn't that ultra-argument-number-1 (referring to one of my previous posts)?

Defiantly it's each to his own. I dont think you can blame your partner for something they have done in the past when being single. Aslong they dont do it while having a relationship. Everyone can have their opinion about any subject and thats totally fine, aslong mines are being respect too. Yes, I did in fact

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by bloggingseo

Man there are so many arguments for and against. I guess I see it as no harm, no foul. As long as the women are doing it of their own free will then I don't think people should be bothered by it at all. It's the woman's choice and the man's and I have no problems at all with that.

However, if some sex slave owned by some pimp for paying off her father's debt or some other disgusting human trafficking stuff is going on, then I am against it bigtime. It sickens me to no end that people sell human beings into the sex trade. THOSE people deserve to die painful deaths imho. And if the "Joe" buying services knows these women are sex slaves or forced into prostitution, then they are just as guilty as the guys who are pimping them out.

Exactly, and I would like to add the cases where prostitutes sell themselves to feed a drug habit, or where a past of abuse has put them in a situation they don't really want to be in.

If a mentally healthy person who isn't forced in any way decides to have paid sex, not much against it as far as I'm concerned.

[Rhesus]

To add to my previous post - prostitutes in third world countries may not be objectively forced, but they will - in many cases - have a financial (or sometimes even social, as in pushy family) incentive that is relatively much bigger than for those in western countries. I do think that paying them for sex as a foreigner amounts to abuse.

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by Reak AGV

Defiantly it's each to his own. I dont think you can blame your partner for something they have done in the past when being single. Aslong they dont do it while having a relationship. Everyone can have their opinion about any subject and thats totally fine, aslong mines are being respect too. Yes, I did in fact

I would advise you to go and get a girlfriend sometime (not the "GFE"). There's so much more than sex with human dolls, and whatever sex you have can be so much better with a bit of emotion added to it. I think you're being led by your beastly instincts all day, it's just a shame. Your sexual needs are constantly satisfied by whores, so you have no incentive to see what else is available... I think you're walking down a sad path this way...

[Reak AGV]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

I would advise you to go and get a girlfriend sometime (not the "GFE"). There's so much more than sex with human dolls, and whatever sex you have can be so much better with a bit of emotion added to it. I think you're being led by your beastly instincts all day, it's just a shame. I think you're walking down a sad path.

I've done so much more than paying for sex with good looking girls. And I will keep doing both aslong as I enjoy it. Everyone has to choose a path in life dont they, and to be honest i dont care what you think about mines. Also, I'll pass on any GFE's

[Rhesus]

Originally Posted by Reak AGV

I've done so much more than paying for sex with good looking girls. And I will keep doing both aslong as I enjoy it. Everyone has to choose a path in life dont they, and to be honest i dont care what you think about mines. Also, I'll pass on any GFE's

This will be my last argument with you in this thread, I won't push my standards upon you anymore. Apart from the fact that I think it's wrong to pay for sex in third world countries as a westerner, I think with your 20 years or something and no non-paid experience with girls you're a bit young and unexperienced to think you're on the right path, lol.

[xentech]

Originally Posted by dave90210

Ive never been a fan of the realdoll I want something that moves and is warm.

ROFL

[Violetta]

paying is perfectly fine!

[Barefootsies]

No offense, I always get a good chuckle out of this logic...

Originally Posted by Rhesus

3. Whether it's justified or not, some things are unacceptable in our society, and paying for sex is one of them (it is at least in my milieu).

...and who is it exactly that makes up these societal 'rules'? Some old white bearded man behind the curtain controlling the fate of the world? The church who is just about as bad by controlling sheep through organized religion?

Sister please...

[polish_aristocrat]

now we need DirtyWhiteBoy in here

[VicD]

paying = no problem

[Deej]

watch out for the CL hookers man... they can be stings too

[Veronica]

The way I see it, you get what you want and then they go away. None of the hassles, none of the dramas. I only wish there were more options for women. I like the idea of taking advantage of a young boy in dire straits, give him a little money so he can buy his schoolbooks, make him my bitch for an hour or two, then kick his ass out the door and tell him he can't have my phone number - I'll call him if I feel like it.

Seriously though, from a "provider's" perspective: I don't provide sex, but as a dominatrix I do work in the sex industry and people pay to spend time with me - perhaps it's to get their ass beaten, maybe to have someone who understands their needs... some people come to me looking for a "relationship" and I hate that because I feel bad that I can't give them that. I try to be very upfront about what I do and do not provide. I like the folks that come to me knowing what they want, and knowing that there's no strings attached for either of us. A lot of the people that see me are very busy, come in for an hour or two and get their kink on, then go back to their work or whatever. That actually feels very healthy and normal to me.

[Achmed's Wife Halimah]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

Well, well... I'm not strictly against paying for sex (although I'd never do it myself), there's just a few things:

1. In biological Darwinian terms, those who pay for sex are losers and unfit.

2. I think paid sex rarely constitutes a fair and equal business transaction. A business transaction is rarely equal, but considering all other factors (social, psychological, physical), a "paid sex" transaction is in most cases exceptionally abusive. I find the abuse factor even bigger in cases where westerners (sex tourists like Reak and a few others on this board) use the inequality between their and the prostitute's financial situation to their advantage (or so they think).

3. Whether it's justified or not, some things are unacceptable in our society, and paying for sex is one of them (it is at least in my milieu). It's not necessarily a bad thing to adhere to social norms. You don't walk around naked. You don't steal from others (some of us do). Why then steal someone's dignity, are your beastly drifts so strong?

Rhesus
i love you

[Voodoo]

You pay for it one way or another. It's just usually under the mask of "Dating" or "Taking care of her" or "Gifts" or a number of other more socially acceptable forms of hookery.

[shekinah]

Depends on the girl if she wants to get paid or not.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Rhesus

Well, well... I'm not strictly against paying for sex (although I'd never do it myself), there's just a few things:

1. In biological Darwinian terms, those who pay for sex are losers and unfit.

Wrong. The only measure of "success" in evolutionary biology is the extent to which one succeeds in passing on ones own genes. As long as screwing hookers does not limit the amount of children one produces, it is irrelevant whether one does so or not.

More importantly, however, it is important to keep in mind that natural law is not a behavioral code. Evolutionary biology merely states that if one produces much offspring, ones genes will be passed on.

This is completely unrelated to the social view of "success". A deadbeat father who gets hundreds of women pregnant is the pinnacle of evolutionary success. In terms of evolution, Lateeqa, the 16 year old mother with 5 children, is extremely successful.

In fact, the rapist who gets his victims pregnant is following a "successful" strategy - in terms of evolution.

Biology doesn't say what one should do. I merely investigates the mechanisms of nature.

2. I think paid sex rarely constitutes a fair and equal business transaction. A business transaction is rarely equal, but considering all other factors (social, psychological, physical), a "paid sex" transaction is in most cases exceptionally abusive. I find the abuse factor even bigger in cases where westerners (sex tourists like Reak and a few others on this board) use the inequality between their and the prostitute's financial situation to their advantage (or so they think).

If the women choose to work as prostitutes, rather than earn far less money with other work, what business of yours is it?

Prostitutes are humans, humans with a free will and all. If they choose to become prostitutes over their other options, that is their right. Profiting from someone else's choices is not abuse.

If you want to argue that their financial situation takes away their freedom of choice, it is the system which caused them to be in such a financial situation that is abusive, rather than their clients. What you think is "right" is taking away what they apparently see as their best option, without offering an alternative.

The only thing that helps is actually offering viable alternatives. Arguing that their livelihood should be taken away because it's "abusive" to them is sickeningly stupid.

"Don't have sex with prostitutes and give them money. Instead, stay away from them, so they have no money at all."

Great thinking there

3. Whether it's justified or not, some things are unacceptable in our society, and paying for sex is one of them (it is at least in my milieu). It's not necessarily a bad thing to adhere to social norms. You don't walk around naked. You don't steal from others (some of us do). Why then steal someone's dignity, are your beastly drifts so strong?

Considering the large percentage of men who at some point in their lives have sex with a prostitute, one can safely say that positive morality does in fact not forbid it at all. Rather, it's a taboo - something that isn't necessarily an unacceptable practice, but rather an unacceptable topic at the dinner table. Much like BDSM, porn, fistfucking, etc.

Your last comment pretty much exposes the problem here, though. You feel that if a woman has sex in exchange for money, she loses her dignity. In other words, you don't respect prostitutes.

You are in fact the biggest misogynist in this thread. You don't respect women if they don't live up to your naive views of decency, feel that they should be protected from their own choices, and are unable to accept that merely working as a prostitute does not make a woman a lesser person in any way.