http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/st...02002083.shtml

Also, ads covered by existing contracts will continue for the duration of the contracts and, unlike some of its competitors, AOL is not offering its customers a way to block pop-up ads when they venture beyond AOL pages to visit Internet sites not controlled by AOL.

Its not just the marketing, the whole thing has a sorta 'picking on retards' feel to it. :winkwink: If someone is ignorant enough to pay $40 + $9 recurring for a friggin popup killer program, taking advantage of them is pretty low.

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Roger V

i can't believe I missed this thead - I've got soo much to say but just feels too late to make a proper impact on it.........damn.....

I think that sums it up.

Yeah thats a great idea....give it away for free so the webmaster can't make any cash!!

I would rather take the cash now, rather than have some one take it from me.

Guess it doesnt bother you that earthlink and aol are already making plans to block all your consoles.

"Its not just the marketing, the whole thing has a sorta 'picking on retards' feel to it. If someone is ignorant enough to pay $40 + $9 recurring for a friggin popup killer program, taking advantage of them is pretty low."


And how is this different from adult mega paysites?


Waaaay too much is being made of this.

Because cashquest, a company probably 99% of the net never heard of, launches a pop up killer its the end of the adult net?

Get a grip. Best plan is to get as many dumbass surfers to shell out the money, then come up with ways to defeat these pop up killers.

InsideTheGame - Your opinion isn't worth shit. Your an anon poster who doesn't have the balls to let people know who you are, but you always like to act like you know what's what. How would you know what I rant and rave about?

The guys we do traffic trades with don't give two shits about this. Our little program isn't going to change anything. You guys are giving us way too much credt.

Earthlink will make a dent......not us.

Mr. Fiction - Your opinion IS valuable to me and I'll take it seriously as an affiliate of ours. We launched this for our affiliates to promote. If our affiliates don't like it, we'll kill it. Simple as that.....

I'll let this thread go on for the rest of the day and make a decesion tonight or tomorrow based on the overall feedback we get.

We always listen to our affiliiates and this will be no exception :)

Sorry about that double post.

I hit my back button too many times when trying to get out of console hell.... :)

Just read the stuff about aol. Still think too much is being made of this. Just another way to make some cash.

I definitely wouldn't parallel 'retards' with surfers who would probably not pull out their wallet for an adult paysite.

These are usually slick folks who know how much free porn there is online....

Good arguements on both sides but what I find frightening is that someone mentioned the words "long term business models"

YIKES!! Anyone who thinks anything on the net is long term have their heads FAR up their asses.

Actually.....Ya know... I was kinda thinking that we should stop promoting dating sites. Once you get your surfers all pussy whipped, they never have the time or money anymore to surf porn. :eek7

:smokin But then again, as someone mentioned with their analogy, I smoke cigs with a nicotine patch on....

Im not worried about you making a dent. There's nothing I can do about Earthlink killing consoles.


What bothers me is that you are actively promoting a way to reduce my revenue, and the revenue of ALL the people you do business with.

That's a lot like spitting us in the face....

:(

Some of us can make money without popups, shithead. I can't wait for web browsers to have a popup killer option. Get out of this business if you need the sleazy tricks to make a buck.

You Do realize you get paid for sales???
I mean come on man. : )

You must be kidding me...

Rrred!

You still trying to quit smoking? Good for you!

I haven't made another attempt just yet....but I plan to really soon....

Any tips on smoking with the patch still on? Sounds like it would be a good buzz....hehehehehe

:stoned

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Dr.Guile,

If we were promoting this in mass e-mail and putting it on our consoles, I could see your point....but we're not.

All I'm saying is that I think there is a time and a place to promote a program like this. The majority of surfers out there take advantage of free porn and never sign-up to a paysite. That is the TARGET market for something like this.....

Depends on the mega paysite in question.

Quite a few mega-paysites I've seen are plugin farms with very little of the gargantuan quantities of exclusive, original pictures and movies promised on the tour. In those cases the scam is no different.

If a paysite is done right it offers the surfer a unique experience which they cannot get for free no matter how much time they spend on TGP's or Kazaa. In that case, the difference is obvious. On one hand you have a grossly overpriced, worthless product which is only going to piss the surfer off when they find out they could have gotten it for free. On the other you have a legtimate entertainment business which provides a good product at a fair price.

Well said RRRED!

This business changes so fast. IF you arent changing or innoviating with the times, you are dead.

Anyone who can create another way for me to make cash is A OK in my book. (legally of course) :)

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enough said

Hang on a minute... ugh! ... *plop* ... sorry for the delay, my head was really jammed up my ass this time. It was so stupid of me to actually think that an Internet company CAN have long term plans. Why should I think about the revenue I'll generate next year? Fuck it! NOW baby!

If you need popups so bad get out of this business understand?

No, both me and manga we stay here and we'll keep beating the surfer until he bleeds. Keep masturbating him with your popup free sites and the ultra clean galleries. :321GFY

Hi Fatpad how are you? Maybe that was a rude way to put what I meant.

For instance someone mentioned "Let's make banner killers, etc etc" Well if you stop for a minute and think, that is very possible. I'm the queen of expecting the worst in any situation just from my personal experience. We should all have a backup plan for when that day comes. Only the ones who think ahead far enough will survive.

Only my piddly two cents...


OH and Slits, you're such a fag :321GFY I love ya... haha

I dislike popups as do most people, you like them - fine! In a year or two they will be finished. Once IE puts it on their browser thats the end of it. So enjoy your popup hells and make as much as you can now.

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Sly_RJ,

I think that she just meant that the Internet is ever chaning. There will always be good money in on-line porn, but no single business model seems to last that long. Someone is always inovating, changing the rules of the game, etc.

We certainly have long term plans, but the truth is that those plans will probably change 10 times in the next 5 years as the industry changes, inovations are developed, competition increases, etc.

The smart companies just keep changing with the times...

RRRED,

How many ceiling tiles did you count this weekend? :thumbsup

As many as the air hairs you had to pluck to prevent constipation :)

I think she means ASS HAIRS :)

I knew what she *meant*, and it IS true. Just had to give her some shit for implying that I had my head up my ass. :winkwink:

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Sly_RJ,

By the looks of how everyone is responding to my latest and greatest idea....it looks like I'm the one with my head up my ass! :)

At least I'm man enough to admit it and take the heat :)

Can't say the same for InsideTheGame

Sorry about that Sly.... I skimmed the thread so fast i didn't really pay attention to who said what.

Ken, do I need to kick your dialers ass? ;)

Honestly I don't understand some people. Are you a webmaster or a surfer?

Who gives a shit if popups can be annoying for web surfers or not? Since consoles can increase my profits up to 20% I'm going to use them "until the end". Wtf, even yahoo has popups. Whatever makes me more money and is inside the borders of legality and my personal ethics I'm gonna use it to generate more revenues. Plain and simple.

Ken I personally think its a good idea and I don't think it would have a huge affect on the industry
but on the other hand it just doens't feel right.
its not really about the affect it will have or money it can make but the idea of launching something that we all have built business relationships on and thats traffic deals.

why support something that we all have invested alot of time in (exits) and built relationships on you know what I mean.

I guess it just rubs people the wrong way.

I think it would be something that would work well on mail traffic or SC traffic where people are looking for it. but shouldn't be promoted directly on exits.

I see your point and the webmasters point.

I personally don't like the idea of it.
but then again if I could target it right maybe i would try to capitalize on it if I knew it were surfers who don't want exits but I wouldn't want to educate them on it either.

Not sure if any of this made sense but thats my take on it.

Ken your a great guy and i will continue to promote you
I'm sure you will make the right choice on what your affiliates recomend.
thats whats so great about these public boards you get the feed back right away :winkwink:

I'm sure the people who purchase it wouldn't pay for porn anyway
do you have any stats on how its been performing?

As you can see I have mixed feelings on it.

We all know the fact that consoles and popups generate more revenue. Cashquest knows it and that's why they has 4-5 popups on their sites. And that's why they won't answer those who asked them why it's such a contradiction for them to promote a popup killer program when they use consoles themselves.

For those who say that popups will be dead once IE kills them. I don't give a damn. I use *one* console as an alternative with 4free programs and make money with it. And I will continue to do it until the popups die.

I believe Cashquest will also use consoles until they do die. It will eventually, that's for sure.

But do you see tobacco companies upselling nicotine patches? I don't think so. Well, it's possible, but they will never tell anyone. That would be horrible marketing tactics.

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Roger,

Thanks for the good words. Sounds like you and I actually have the same take on this. I feel like I don't want PAYING surfers to find out about it, but I would love to sell the shit out of it to all the free loading surfers who never sign-up for a paysite.

Anyway.....it's looking like more people don't like it than do so I'm pretty sure we'll be taking it down :)

Too bad. In a way its good that so many of the people overreacting on this thread can't see the big picture. Dinosaurs die. Those that evolve survive.

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NoCarrier,

Actually, I thought I had answered that quesiton. I LOVE consoles, that's why they are still on our sites. They make us a lot of money.

My only arguement is that this is a great way to make money off of people who will NEVER join a paysite.

And.....call me crazy, but a Tobacco company selling nicotine patches wouldn't be a bad idea.

Lot's of people will always smoke, so they will always make money on them.

Some people will try to quit, but will fail, so they will make twice the money of them.

Some people will try to quit and succeed, so they will make some money on them, instead of a different company selling them the same damn patch.

I'm not saying that Tobacco companies should advertise a patch right alongside a pack of ciggeretes, but selling a patch to people who are going to buy one anyway makes sense to me.....

Roger,

Thanks for the good words. Sounds like you and I actually have the same take on this. I feel like I don't want PAYING surfers to find out about it, but I would love to sell the shit out of it to all the free loading surfers who never sign-up for a paysite.

Anyway.....it's looking like more people don't like it than do so I'm pretty sure we'll be taking it down :) [/B][/QUOTE]


Is there anyway you can make it so it only kills mainstream pops?

Now thats something I think we would all support. Something to think about.

they try to screw us we should build something to screw them

like a code word if it doesn't have the word sex in the exit it kills it or something to that effect. LOL

:winkwink:

I'm fairly well acquainted with Ken and respect him as a businessman. I cannot believe for one minute that CashQuest would promote anything that would deliver a serious blow to the adult industry as a whole, and I'm certain that a lot of thought went into the decision. Also, the fact remains that if surfers don't get the software from CQ affiliates, they'll get it elsewhere, so why not make a buck if you can.

On the other hand, as someone who uses and understands the value of consoles, the whole concept of "killer" software is bothersome to me, not just the new CQ software.

We have the mainstream net to thank for this. Once again, they've "borrowed" an idea from the adult side and carried things WAY to far. I get hit with tons of consoles at virtually every mainstream site I visit... adult sites are tame by comparison! It's handy for the mainstream people to blame adult sites for consoles, but I'd be very curious to know how many non-porn surfers had ever seen a console up until a year or so ago when mainstream started overusing them. Seems to me they've created their own market.

At any rate, promote CQ's software if you want to, don't promote it if you don't want to... it's really that simple. Gigi was merely the messenger, and I think it was pretty rude to rip her apart for doing her job. I hope Ken will give things a couple of weeks to settle down before deciding to pull this option from his affiliate program. Somehow 24 hours just doesn't seem like a long enough test period to me.

Just my pair of shiny copper discs :)