Why Shouldn't I Start An Illegal Tube Site? - GoFuckYourself.com

Sands · 07-07-2008, 03:13 PM

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

SteveLightspeed · 07-07-2008, 03:14 PM

Something about "biting the hand that feeds?"

Dirty F · 07-07-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Something about "biting the hand that feeds?"

Steve, you look so masculine in that pic.

gleem · 07-07-2008, 03:17 PM

I will sue you!

Sands · 07-07-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Something about "biting the hand that feeds?"

Ok, good point. It would alienate my fellow webmasters and program owners, but at that point I wouldn't be depending on them for my income. At this point, burning those bridges would be acceptable. Also, if the rumors of big programs "backing" large tube sites is true, and that most people have very short-term memories, then one could argue that any burned bridges could be quickly repaired afterwards... especially if money is involved.

Sands · 07-07-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

I will sue you!

Have you found your content stolen on any tube sites yet, and have you successfully brought a lawsuit against anyone for it?

Xrated J · 07-07-2008, 03:22 PM

cause its not cool, duh!!!

Domain Diva · 07-07-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

1,000,s of tube sites exsist but only a few have huge surfer volumes ,every day new ones start so apart from all the other issues you would im sure struggle to catch up with the players in the market already

Although its not a tube site you could copy the hun in less than 1 day but i doubt you will even get close to his success

Remember this "If you see a bandwagon you have missed it"

gleem · 07-07-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

Have you found your content stolen on any tube sites yet, and have you successfully brought a lawsuit against anyone for it?

yep, nope

Jens Van Assterdam · 07-07-2008, 03:29 PM

Great, lets trade some traffic then

Sands · 07-07-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Promo Claire

1,000,s of tube sites exsist but only a few have huge surfer volumes ,every day new ones start so apart from all the other issues you would im sure struggle to catch up with the players in the market already

Although its not a tube site you could copy the hun in less than 1 day but i doubt you will even get close to his success

Remember this "If you see a bandwagon you have missed it"

Ah, another good point. I'm quite aware that I won't reach those numbers that sites like Tube8 and Megarotic, but the traffic I could garner would be considerable. Certainly more considerable than with a small blog network. I never underestimate the draw of "free shit".

Sands · 07-07-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Great, lets trade some traffic then

Awesome, teach me the pimpin' wayz.

beerptrol · 07-07-2008, 03:40 PM

I honestly couldn't give you a reason why you shouldn't. Oh people will bitch and complain about it, but in the end that's all that they will do. There will always be programs that will accept your traffic and might even buy your site. As to alienating your fellow webmasters. they ain't putting money in your pocket or paying your bills.
As for me I'll never start or be part of an illegal tube site, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing i'm fucking others over by stealing from them. It would also be a slap in the face to my parents and grandparents who raised me to have some ethics and morals.

just a punk · 07-07-2008, 03:46 PM

Start it and launch your own "illegal tube site empire from scratch project thread"

Jens Van Assterdam · 07-07-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Start it and launch your own "illegal tube site empire from scratch project thread"

been waiting for this one..

Sands · 07-07-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Start it and launch your own "illegal tube site empire from scratch project thread"

Mad threadviews, yo.

BradM · 07-07-2008, 04:03 PM

What are morals? For some reason I edited my host file so I can't research the word, either. Let me know what morals and ethics are before I reply to your question. Thanks.

Violetta · 07-07-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Promo Claire

1,000,s of tube sites exsist but only a few have huge surfer volumes ,every day new ones start so apart from all the other issues you would im sure struggle to catch up with the players in the market already

Although its not a tube site you could copy the hun in less than 1 day but i doubt you will even get close to his success

Remember this "If you see a bandwagon you have missed it"

Wise!

qxm · 07-07-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

seriously... can't think of a single good reason........ the big guys don't seem to care as they are not taking any fucking step to kill these lechers and webmasters with midsize-small operations are the ones who complain but don't have much resources to act........so I'd say go ahead...... fuck them.......fuck the ones who don't give a shit about their content being stolen and posted all over the web...... then monetize with AFF or some cam proggy...

Jens Van Assterdam · 07-07-2008, 04:13 PM

Because you dont know where to find a nulled tubescript, to make a illegal tubesite!

WiredGuy · 07-07-2008, 04:14 PM

I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it.
WG

Sands · 07-07-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

I honestly couldn't give you a reason why you shouldn't. Oh people will bitch and complain about it, but in the end that's all that they will do. There will always be programs that will accept your traffic and might even buy your site. As to alienating your fellow webmasters. they ain't putting money in your pocket or paying your bills.
As for me I'll never start or be part of an illegal tube site, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing i'm fucking others over by stealing from them. It would also be a slap in the face to my parents and grandparents who raised me to have some ethics and morals.

I have this sneaking suspicion that it's easier to sleep at night with money under your bed rather than bills on your mind. I could be wrong, and the anguish of stealing money from my Internet compatriots could tear my soul apart... but I doubt it. Maybe I'm becoming a bit too jaded.

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Originally Posted by BradM

What are morals? For some reason I edited my host file so I can't research the word, either. Let me know what morals and ethics are before I reply to your question. Thanks.

The tiger roars at midnight...

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Originally Posted by qxm

seriously... can't think of a single good reason........ the big guys don't seem to care as they are not taking any fucking step to kill these lechers and webmasters with midsize-small operations are the ones who complain but don't have much resources to act........so I'd say go ahead...... fuck them.......fuck the ones who don't give a shit about their content being stolen and posted all over the web...... then monetize with AFF or some cam proggy...

Looks like we've got +1 in the "go for it" column. Boom.

Sands · 07-07-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it.
WG

That does seem to be the formula for success:

1) Use pirated content.
2) Build a massive user base and make bank with upsells.
3) Reinvest your revenue and license content.

Sands · 07-07-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Because you dont know where to find a nulled tubescript, to make a illegal tubesite!

I can make something custom, homeslice.

yahoo-xxx-girls.com · 07-07-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

Well... perhaps you should not start one because it might be Illegal... If not illegal they go for it...

After Shock Media · 07-07-2008, 04:23 PM

Can not give you a non moral/ethics reason why you should not do it.

I can however say that you better know how to cover your tracks and hide your identity, specially if you heist my shit.

Sands · 07-07-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Balalsubturfyooj

Well... perhaps you should not start one because it might be Illegal... If not illegal they go for it...

True, but having a tube site that doesn't actively monitor user uploads doesn't seem to be illegal as long as the site complies with DMCA regulations. I could be wrong, of course.

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Can not give you a non moral/ethics reason why you should not do it.

I can however say that you better know how to cover your tracks and hide your identity, specially if you heist my shit.

Psh, I was going to start with all of your stuff, ASM.

marketsmart · 07-07-2008, 04:43 PM

you should go for it..

Sands · 07-07-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

you should go for it..

+2

Resources?

sandman! · 07-07-2008, 04:45 PM

low margins ?

better use of time ?

Sands · 07-07-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

low margins ?

better use of time ?

How would I better use my time than creating a tube site that's automatically updated with fresh full length videos day in and day out by loyal anti-copyright users and uses inexpensive outsourced webmaster labor to handle the DMCA complaints?

Agent 488 · 07-07-2008, 04:47 PM

start one only using content from programs that themselves use copyrighted material on their tubes.

SteveLightspeed · 07-07-2008, 05:00 PM

There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch.

Sands · 07-07-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch.

More good points, but let me ask you... how many tube site owners do you know of who've gotten "visits" from angry content producers or webmasters? I've noticed there are an awful lot of paper tigers in these parts. That's not to say this isn't a possibility, but if there are a lot of people who won't even go through the hassle of filing DMCA complaints, then I have serious doubts they'll go through the process of tracking me down and then conspiring a blatantly illegal attack.

That second part is much more reasonable, though, and would probably be the foremost reason for myself to not do it.

ucv.karl · 07-07-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it.
WG

That's for the info Captain Obvious.

Also, breaking news... Water is wet.

stev0 · 07-07-2008, 06:39 PM

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

eMonk · 07-07-2008, 06:49 PM

build one & find out for yourself.

Jarmusch · 07-07-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

Who says he shouldn't?

marketsmart · 07-07-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch.

it would be great if those kind of scare tactics work, but they don't...

even if they take away the safe harbor provision, people are still going to run tubes..

you let me know when you find out who's running the top 10 illegal tube sites...

finally, content is so cheap right now i dont need to be illegal to give away full length scenes...

Sands · 07-07-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

Why answer a question with a question?

Sands · 07-07-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

it would be great if those kind of scare tactics work, but they don't...

even if they take away the safe harbor provision, people are still going to run tubes..

you let me know when you find out who's running the top 10 illegal tube sites...

finally, content is so cheap right now i dont need to be illegal to give away full length scenes...

Interesting... very interesting.

Nysus · 07-07-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

Ah, another good point. I'm quite aware that I won't reach those numbers that sites like Tube8 and Megarotic, but the traffic I could garner would be considerable. Certainly more considerable than with a small blog network. I never underestimate the draw of "free shit".

You could easily reach those numbers of you had the money to pay for bandwidth for 8+ minute long movies, I was about to say clips, but really they're shortened movies.

qxm · 07-07-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

TOTALLY different situation, if you were to rob a bank you better be sure you are gonna get ass raped by the cops... and even if you get away you'll be constantly moving as it is a federal offense and there will be people behind your ass........

On the other hand, if you were to steal content and make your own tube site everybody would look at your domain and talk.... "ohh my g-d this guy is stealing content, OH NOO .. the adult industry is coming to an end!" ... and that's about it .. no one would go after you (see redtube and other tubes which are still around for references) .. at least I haven't seen any SERIOUS movement from the big bros which indicates they are moving away from tubes....everybody talks but the people at the top (program owners and producers) don't seem give a fuck

sicone · 07-07-2008, 07:15 PM

How about bandwidth costs vs monies coming in. Is the profit margin worth the risk?

Now of course the profit margin will go up as your traffic builds and you can start selling ad space or the traffic itself without having to worry about making sales to the very sponsors you are stealing vids from.. But still, I wonder what the profit % is even at that point.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-07-2008, 07:30 PM

Quality over Quantity...

qxm · 07-07-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaysin

Quality over Quantity...

yeap.... this and the "expenses" factor would be the things to consider..... I'd rather start a blog

Iron Fist · 07-07-2008, 07:40 PM

I would love to share the reason why I am building my tube site.. but I don't want to give it all away

haha

jakethedog · 07-07-2008, 07:42 PM

well there is always http://www.tracemyip.org/

SteveLightspeed · 07-07-2008, 08:15 PM

fuzebox · 07-07-2008, 08:42 PM

It seems a lot of people assume that by adding full length videos your traffic will magically grow, which is only a small part of it. Traffic to tube sites has to be acquired and generated just like traffic to any other type of site.

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Sands Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 418194907 Posts: 3,134	Why Shouldn't I Start An Illegal Tube Site? This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money. What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

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beerptrol Confirmed Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Half way between sobriety and fubar. Posts: 12,722	I honestly couldn't give you a reason why you shouldn't. Oh people will bitch and complain about it, but in the end that's all that they will do. There will always be programs that will accept your traffic and might even buy your site. As to alienating your fellow webmasters. they ain't putting money in your pocket or paying your bills. As for me I'll never start or be part of an illegal tube site, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing i'm fucking others over by stealing from them. It would also be a slap in the face to my parents and grandparents who raised me to have some ethics and morals. __________________ “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” -- Ulysses S. Grant

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	start one only using content from programs that themselves use copyrighted material on their tubes.

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SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch. __________________ Abra-cadabra!

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eMonk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,310	build one & find out for yourself.

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sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	How about bandwidth costs vs monies coming in. Is the profit margin worth the risk? Now of course the profit margin will go up as your traffic builds and you can start selling ad space or the traffic itself without having to worry about making sales to the very sponsors you are stealing vids from.. But still, I wonder what the profit % is even at that point. __________________

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Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	I would love to share the reason why I am building my tube site.. but I don't want to give it all away haha

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,137	It seems a lot of people assume that by adding full length videos your traffic will magically grow, which is only a small part of it. Traffic to tube sites has to be acquired and generated just like traffic to any other type of site.