Why Shouldn't I Start An Illegal Tube Site? - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

X

Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#1

Why Shouldn't I Start An Illegal Tube Site?

07-07-2008, 02:13 PM

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.
Tags: None
SteveLightspeed

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2001

Posts: 7940
Share

Post
#2

07-07-2008, 02:14 PM

Something about "biting the hand that feeds?"

Abra-cadabra!
Comment
Dirty F

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Jul 2001

Posts: 59204
Share

Post
#3

07-07-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by SteveLightspeed

Something about "biting the hand that feeds?"

Steve, you look so masculine in that pic.
Comment
gleem

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2001

Posts: 5593
Share

Post
#4

07-07-2008, 02:17 PM

I will sue you!

Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#5

07-07-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by SteveLightspeed

Something about "biting the hand that feeds?"

Ok, good point. It would alienate my fellow webmasters and program owners, but at that point I wouldn't be depending on them for my income. At this point, burning those bridges would be acceptable. Also, if the rumors of big programs "backing" large tube sites is true, and that most people have very short-term memories, then one could argue that any burned bridges could be quickly repaired afterwards... especially if money is involved.
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#6

07-07-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by gleem

I will sue you!

Have you found your content stolen on any tube sites yet, and have you successfully brought a lawsuit against anyone for it?
Comment
Xrated J

Confirmed User

Join Date: Sep 2006

Posts: 4347
Share

Post
#7

07-07-2008, 02:22 PM

cause its not cool, duh!!!
Comment
Domain Diva

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Oct 2007

Posts: 10180
Share

Post
#8

07-07-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Sands

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

1,000,s of tube sites exsist but only a few have huge surfer volumes ,every day new ones start so apart from all the other issues you would im sure struggle to catch up with the players in the market already

Although its not a tube site you could copy the hun in less than 1 day but i doubt you will even get close to his success

Remember this "If you see a bandwagon you have missed it"

Cams-Tube-Dating Domains Available At Trade Prices !
Domains For Sale ICQ:494318698
Comment
gleem

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2001

Posts: 5593
Share

Post
#9

07-07-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Sands

Have you found your content stolen on any tube sites yet, and have you successfully brought a lawsuit against anyone for it?

yep, nope

Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com
Comment
Jens Van Assterdam

The Dupre Pimp

Join Date: Feb 2008

Posts: 6677
Share

Post
#10

07-07-2008, 02:29 PM

Great, lets trade some traffic then

Read TOS for signature rules
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#11

07-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Promo Claire

1,000,s of tube sites exsist but only a few have huge surfer volumes ,every day new ones start so apart from all the other issues you would im sure struggle to catch up with the players in the market already

Although its not a tube site you could copy the hun in less than 1 day but i doubt you will even get close to his success

Remember this "If you see a bandwagon you have missed it"

Ah, another good point. I'm quite aware that I won't reach those numbers that sites like Tube8 and Megarotic, but the traffic I could garner would be considerable. Certainly more considerable than with a small blog network. I never underestimate the draw of "free shit".
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#12

07-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Great, lets trade some traffic then

Awesome, teach me the pimpin' wayz.
Comment
beerptrol

Confirmed Asshole

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12722
Share

Post
#13

07-07-2008, 02:40 PM

I honestly couldn't give you a reason why you shouldn't. Oh people will bitch and complain about it, but in the end that's all that they will do. There will always be programs that will accept your traffic and might even buy your site. As to alienating your fellow webmasters. they ain't putting money in your pocket or paying your bills.
As for me I'll never start or be part of an illegal tube site, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing i'm fucking others over by stealing from them. It would also be a slap in the face to my parents and grandparents who raised me to have some ethics and morals.

“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
-- Ulysses S. Grant
Comment
just a punk

So fuckin' bored

Join Date: Jun 2003

Posts: 32393
Share

Post
#14

07-07-2008, 02:46 PM

Start it and launch your own "illegal tube site empire from scratch project thread"

Obey the Cowgod
Comment
Jens Van Assterdam

The Dupre Pimp

Join Date: Feb 2008

Posts: 6677
Share

Post
#15

07-07-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Start it and launch your own "illegal tube site empire from scratch project thread"

been waiting for this one..

Read TOS for signature rules
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#16

07-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Start it and launch your own "illegal tube site empire from scratch project thread"

Mad threadviews, yo.
Comment
BradM

Confirmed User

Join Date: Dec 2003

Posts: 3397
Share

Post
#17

07-07-2008, 03:03 PM

What are morals? For some reason I edited my host file so I can't research the word, either. Let me know what morals and ethics are before I reply to your question. Thanks.
Comment
Violetta

Affiliate

Join Date: Jul 2004

Posts: 28735
Share

Post
#18

07-07-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Promo Claire

1,000,s of tube sites exsist but only a few have huge surfer volumes ,every day new ones start so apart from all the other issues you would im sure struggle to catch up with the players in the market already

Although its not a tube site you could copy the hun in less than 1 day but i doubt you will even get close to his success

Remember this "If you see a bandwagon you have missed it"

Wise!

M&A Queen
Comment
qxm

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2006

Posts: 5970
Share

Post
#19

07-07-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Sands

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

seriously... can't think of a single good reason........ the big guys don't seem to care as they are not taking any fucking step to kill these lechers and webmasters with midsize-small operations are the ones who complain but don't have much resources to act........so I'd say go ahead...... fuck them.......fuck the ones who don't give a shit about their content being stolen and posted all over the web...... then monetize with AFF or some cam proggy...

ICQ: 266990876
Comment
Jens Van Assterdam

The Dupre Pimp

Join Date: Feb 2008

Posts: 6677
Share

Post
#20

07-07-2008, 03:13 PM

Because you dont know where to find a nulled tubescript, to make a illegal tubesite!

Read TOS for signature rules
Comment
WiredGuy

Pounding Googlebot

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 34512
Share

Post
#21

07-07-2008, 03:14 PM

I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it.
WG

I play with Google.
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#22

07-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by beerptrol

I honestly couldn't give you a reason why you shouldn't. Oh people will bitch and complain about it, but in the end that's all that they will do. There will always be programs that will accept your traffic and might even buy your site. As to alienating your fellow webmasters. they ain't putting money in your pocket or paying your bills.
As for me I'll never start or be part of an illegal tube site, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing i'm fucking others over by stealing from them. It would also be a slap in the face to my parents and grandparents who raised me to have some ethics and morals.

I have this sneaking suspicion that it's easier to sleep at night with money under your bed rather than bills on your mind. I could be wrong, and the anguish of stealing money from my Internet compatriots could tear my soul apart... but I doubt it. Maybe I'm becoming a bit too jaded.

Originally posted by BradM

What are morals? For some reason I edited my host file so I can't research the word, either. Let me know what morals and ethics are before I reply to your question. Thanks.

The tiger roars at midnight...

Originally posted by qxm

seriously... can't think of a single good reason........ the big guys don't seem to care as they are not taking any fucking step to kill these lechers and webmasters with midsize-small operations are the ones who complain but don't have much resources to act........so I'd say go ahead...... fuck them.......fuck the ones who don't give a shit about their content being stolen and posted all over the web...... then monetize with AFF or some cam proggy...

Looks like we've got +1 in the "go for it" column. Boom.
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#23

07-07-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it.
WG

That does seem to be the formula for success:

1) Use pirated content.
2) Build a massive user base and make bank with upsells.
3) Reinvest your revenue and license content.
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#24

07-07-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Because you dont know where to find a nulled tubescript, to make a illegal tubesite!

I can make something custom, homeslice.
Comment
yahoo-xxx-girls.com

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2006

Posts: 3143
Share

Post
#25

07-07-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Sands

This is a genuine question. Why shouldn't I? What are the _good_ reasons for not creating one of my own? And I'm not looking for those answers that involve ethics because it's more than obvious that moral behavior rarely meshes with making money.

What should stop myself, and others, from starting one? I'm curious to know.

Well... perhaps you should not start one because it might be Illegal... If not illegal they go for it...

sig too big
Comment
After Shock Media

It's coming look busy

Join Date: Mar 2001

Posts: 35299
Share

Post
#26

07-07-2008, 03:23 PM

Can not give you a non moral/ethics reason why you should not do it.

I can however say that you better know how to cover your tracks and hide your identity, specially if you heist my shit.

[email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#27

07-07-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Balalsubturfyooj

Well... perhaps you should not start one because it might be Illegal... If not illegal they go for it...

True, but having a tube site that doesn't actively monitor user uploads doesn't seem to be illegal as long as the site complies with DMCA regulations. I could be wrong, of course.

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Can not give you a non moral/ethics reason why you should not do it.

I can however say that you better know how to cover your tracks and hide your identity, specially if you heist my shit.

Psh, I was going to start with all of your stuff, ASM.
Comment
marketsmart

HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER

Join Date: Dec 2004

Posts: 20419
Share

Post
#28

07-07-2008, 03:43 PM

you should go for it..
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#29

07-07-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

you should go for it..

+2

Resources?
Comment
sandman!

Icq: 14420613

Join Date: Mar 2001

Posts: 15431
Share

Post
#30

07-07-2008, 03:45 PM

low margins ?

better use of time ?

Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#31

07-07-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by sandman!

low margins ?

better use of time ?

How would I better use my time than creating a tube site that's automatically updated with fresh full length videos day in and day out by loyal anti-copyright users and uses inexpensive outsourced webmaster labor to handle the DMCA complaints?
Comment
Agent 488

Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2006

Posts: 22511
Share

Post
#32

07-07-2008, 03:47 PM

start one only using content from programs that themselves use copyrighted material on their tubes.
Comment
SteveLightspeed

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2001

Posts: 7940
Share

Post
#33

07-07-2008, 04:00 PM

There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch.

Abra-cadabra!
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#34

07-07-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by SteveLightspeed

There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch.

More good points, but let me ask you... how many tube site owners do you know of who've gotten "visits" from angry content producers or webmasters? I've noticed there are an awful lot of paper tigers in these parts. That's not to say this isn't a possibility, but if there are a lot of people who won't even go through the hassle of filing DMCA complaints, then I have serious doubts they'll go through the process of tracking me down and then conspiring a blatantly illegal attack.

That second part is much more reasonable, though, and would probably be the foremost reason for myself to not do it.
Comment
ucv.karl

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2006

Posts: 498
Share

Post
#35

07-07-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I hate to say it but it seems the way to build a successful tube site these days is to steal all the vids and once you have enough users to clean up shop and sell adspace on it.
WG

That's for the info Captain Obvious.

Also, breaking news... Water is wet.

It's better when you can Switch.
ICQ: 263079754
Comment
stev0

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 6801
Share

Post
#36

07-07-2008, 05:39 PM

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?
Comment
eMonk

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 2310
Share

Post
#37

07-07-2008, 05:49 PM

build one & find out for yourself.
Comment
Jarmusch

Join Date: May 2003

Posts: 12479
Share

Post
#38

07-07-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by stev0

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

Who says he shouldn't?
Comment
marketsmart

HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER

Join Date: Dec 2004

Posts: 20419
Share

Post
#39

07-07-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by SteveLightspeed

There is always the worry of the baseball bat to the knees by pissed-off sponsors and content producers.... And the fear that once the law changes, it will be retroactive, like they did with CAN-SPAM. Then you need to worry about bieing BUBBA's prison bitch.

it would be great if those kind of scare tactics work, but they don't...

even if they take away the safe harbor provision, people are still going to run tubes..

you let me know when you find out who's running the top 10 illegal tube sites...

finally, content is so cheap right now i dont need to be illegal to give away full length scenes...
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#40

07-07-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by stev0

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

Why answer a question with a question?
Comment
Sands

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 3134
Share

Post
#41

07-07-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

it would be great if those kind of scare tactics work, but they don't...

even if they take away the safe harbor provision, people are still going to run tubes..

you let me know when you find out who's running the top 10 illegal tube sites...

finally, content is so cheap right now i dont need to be illegal to give away full length scenes...

Interesting... very interesting.
Comment
Nysus

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 7817
Share

Post
#42

07-07-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Sands

Ah, another good point. I'm quite aware that I won't reach those numbers that sites like Tube8 and Megarotic, but the traffic I could garner would be considerable. Certainly more considerable than with a small blog network. I never underestimate the draw of "free shit".

You could easily reach those numbers of you had the money to pay for bandwidth for 8+ minute long movies, I was about to say clips, but really they're shortened movies.

What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645
Comment
qxm

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2006

Posts: 5970
Share

Post
#43

07-07-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by stev0

Why shouldn't you rob a bank?

TOTALLY different situation, if you were to rob a bank you better be sure you are gonna get ass raped by the cops... and even if you get away you'll be constantly moving as it is a federal offense and there will be people behind your ass........

On the other hand, if you were to steal content and make your own tube site everybody would look at your domain and talk.... "ohh my g-d this guy is stealing content, OH NOO .. the adult industry is coming to an end!" ... and that's about it .. no one would go after you (see redtube and other tubes which are still around for references) .. at least I haven't seen any SERIOUS movement from the big bros which indicates they are moving away from tubes....everybody talks but the people at the top (program owners and producers) don't seem give a fuck

ICQ: 266990876
Comment
sicone

Retired

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 18453
Share

Post
#44

07-07-2008, 06:15 PM

How about bandwidth costs vs monies coming in. Is the profit margin worth the risk?

Now of course the profit margin will go up as your traffic builds and you can start selling ad space or the traffic itself without having to worry about making sales to the very sponsors you are stealing vids from.. But still, I wonder what the profit % is even at that point.
Comment
Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE

MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 16502
Share

Post
#45

07-07-2008, 06:30 PM

Quality over Quantity...
Comment
qxm

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2006

Posts: 5970
Share

Post
#46

07-07-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Jaysin

Quality over Quantity...

yeap.... this and the "expenses" factor would be the things to consider..... I'd rather start a blog

ICQ: 266990876
Comment
Iron Fist

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Dec 2006

Posts: 23400
Share

Post
#47

07-07-2008, 06:40 PM

I would love to share the reason why I am building my tube site.. but I don't want to give it all away haha

i like waffles
Comment
jakethedog

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2004

Posts: 2497
Share

Post
#48

07-07-2008, 06:42 PM

well there is always http://www.tracemyip.org/

No sig .. just me
Comment
SteveLightspeed

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2001

Posts: 7940
Share

Post
#49

07-07-2008, 07:15 PM

Abra-cadabra!
Comment
fuzebox

making it rain

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 22353
Share

Post
#50

07-07-2008, 07:42 PM

It seems a lot of people assume that by adding full length videos your traffic will magically grow, which is only a small part of it. Traffic to tube sites has to be acquired and generated just like traffic to any other type of site.
Comment

Previous 1 2 template Next

Working...