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Barefootsies 07-07-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14433174)
I have all those. But instead of "download speeds" we have instant video playback.

Yes Im a webmaster, but lets be frank, I wack it too. Even with Dixie Dash around the house lol. And its me as a "surfer" that prefers streaming. Why do I want to download a full 20 minute scene when to be honest Im probably only going to need 10 minutes of it.

Lets take a poll here. Does anyone really watch a full scene? I doubt the majority do. So not only are you letting your content out into the wild with no control over where it ends up, you are wasting bandwidth to the tune of 50% of all videos viewed. So now you have to spend time chasing down copyright infringers which also cost you money. Then your exclusive content is dilluted by it being out there. No one wins there. So because of the extra financial expenditures due to allowing those great members to download those videos you are unable to shoot more content for the site. At least less than you would be able to do with the extra cash from wasted bandwidth and chasing pirates that is. So in the end the customer suffers too.

But keep worrying about those minority of members that might get pissed, many of whom are probably some of the ones spreading around your hard work for free. :winkwink:

StickyZingerz out!! lol

It's STINKYzingerz the republican bro. Get it right. :winkwink:

fris 07-07-2008 09:42 PM

if its a forum full of cheaters, kaktuz and airkat is probably involved

Barefootsies 07-07-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 14433804)

DaisyMarie18: 645,842 (that's the best he can do for his fiancee's site)

I did not know zingerz dated half way decent women. I thought he was 'toe tappin' republicans in airport bathrooms. :winkwink:

I demand you post toe pix zingerz.

Barefootsies 07-07-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14433174)

Yes Im a webmaster, but lets be frank, I wack it too.

**shudders**


Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 07-07-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam (Post 14427066)
2 letters 2 numbers in the domain?

i know the forum you're talking, it is also full of priate forum webmasters. oh hold on, it's also owned by the illustrious content pirate and gfy member kaktuz. :disgust

marketsmart 07-07-2008 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 14433997)
i know the forum you're talking, it is also full of priate forum webmasters. oh hold on, it's also owned by the illustrious content pirate and gfy member kaktuz. :disgust

can you email me the link please.. marketsmart + gmail.com

stickyfingerz 07-07-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 14433804)
Stickyfingerz likes to act like he's smarter than everyone else, and boast about how well he's doing, but if you look at his site stats, they pretty much suck:

Alexa stats for Sticky's exclusive sites:

DaisyMarie18: 645,842 (that's the best he can do for his fiancee's site)
DixieDash: 789,769

Alexa stats for his Affiliate site:

Stickboxbucks: 1,008,259

Alexa stats from some of his affiliate program sites that appear to be mostly composed of old 3rd party content:

AsianSchoolBabe: 581,880
OnlyAsianModels 536,879
SquirtStars: 5,752.077
Prettyfeetlovers.com has a traffic rank of: 9,152,513
Glowingasses.com has a traffic rank of: 4,378,077
Girlsshagginggirls.com has a traffic rank of: 3,400,402
Onepornkey.com has a traffic rank of: 1,606,094
Boyattitude.com has a traffic rank of: 6,049,813
Asiangayzone.com has a traffic rank of: 2,943,512
Pornmixpass.com has a traffic rank of: 1,292,365

I could go on - but, everyone should get the idea by now...Sticky talks a big act, but the facts don't back up the bluster.

His sites are doing so well that he posted a thread today that he's trying to pick up video editing work on the side. :upsidedow

All I am saying is before making big changes to your program, check out the source/people giving you free advice, and then make your own judgement call...

ADG

Its amazing how much of a clue you do not have. Fiance? Daisy? ok lol

Ill tell you what I do roughly 750,000 uniques a month right now. Ill go with my stats rather than alexa. I currently have 123 domains. I work on traffic to ALL Of them. You have what 7 or 8 domains and a design a 9th grader with notepad and paint could do in about 30 minutes.

Put down the pipe you old hippie. If at any time you want to discuss how h.264 rtmpe streaming can help your bottom line Id be glad to talk more.

How awesome are you for posting alexa stats from a program that just launched in January. Wow so surprising that Im not in the sub 100k club yet lol. Im pretty much a one man show, and am soon to be pushing a million uniques over our network of sites by the end of the year. Im not embarrassed by that at all.

Why must there always be an asshat that has to try and divert from the discussion at hand? Seriously just fuck off.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 07-08-2008 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14434169)
Its amazing how much of a clue you do not have. Fiance? Daisy? ok lol

Sorry, I confused Dana with Daisy, as to which talent you are currently banging - but you know what I meant.

BTW, your DixieDash (Dana's site) stats are even worse than your DaisyMarie stats, as I correctly cited (and you ignored):

DaisyMarie18: 645,842
DixieDash: 789,769

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14434169)
Ill tell you what I do roughly 750,000 uniques a month right now. Ill go with my stats rather than alexa. I currently have 123 domains. I work on traffic to ALL Of them.

Which site of yours has the highest Alexa rank (and what is the rank)?

Anyway, how is it that Alexa does not cite a single website of yours that I looked up in the top 500,000, if in fact you are drawing the 750,000 visitors to your sites as you claim? That is simply inexplicable.

Among the reasons many people have trouble believing anything you say, is that you make ridiculous claims without providing any proof, besides your word, which has not proven to be worth much based upon previous revelations about you (your last employer called you a liar, a cheat, and a thief).

You protest that you've only had over six months to generate traffic, as to why Alexa's independent site data reveals that your site traffic stats totally suck:

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14434169)
How awesome are you for posting alexa stats from a program that just launched in January. Wow so surprising that Im not in the sub 100k club yet lol. Im pretty much a one man show, and am soon to be pushing a million uniques over our network of sites by the end of the year. Im not embarrassed by that at all.

"Just launched in January", yeah, as in over six months ago (and you were giving away GOLD, as much as $20,000 of it to draw affiliates - yet no affiliate received a single penny worth of gold in your contest).

You are a total bullshitter on GFY, and always have been.

Be glad I have left your trainwreck personal life out of my postings so far... :2 cents:

My comments have been relevent to the thread inasmuch as you carry on as a know-it-all about how to make money in the adult biz, while defending thieves, yet independent stats (and your own past writing) do not reveal that you have achieved any significant level of success in the adult business.

Not long ago, you were asking for work/donations to buy your wife a gift, and just today you were trolling GFY for side video editing work (while trying to maintain the facade that you are making money hand over fist).

Yet you still try to carry on like some bigshot...brown-nosing anyone that will give you the time of the day, and trying to con everyone else.

Gold, Jerry, Gold!!! :1orglaugh

ADG

Agent 488 07-08-2008 12:23 AM

and they're posting in this thread too - funny that.

Jens Van Assterdam 07-08-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14434038)
can you email me the link please.. marketsmart + gmail.com

Did you just msg me on icq? If so, do it again please - audium crashed.

DixieDash 07-08-2008 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 14434293)
Sorry, I confused Dana with Daisy, as to which talent you are currently banging - but you know what I meant.

BTW, your DixieDash (Dana's site) stats are even worse than your DaisyMarie stats, as I correctly cited (and you ignored):

DaisyMarie18: 645,842
DixieDash: 789,769



Which site of yours has the highest Alexa rank (and what is the rank)?

Anyway, how is it that Alexa does not cite a single website of yours that I looked up in the top 500,000, if in fact you are drawing the 750,000 visitors to your sites as you claim? That is simply inexplicable.

Among the reasons many people have trouble believing anything you say, is that you make ridiculous claims without providing any proof, besides your word, which has not proven to be worth much based upon previous revelations about you (your last employer called you a liar, a cheat, and a thief).

You protest that you've only had over six months to generate traffic, as to why Alexa's independent site data reveals that your site traffic stats totally suck:



"Just launched in January", yeah, as in over six months ago (and you were giving away GOLD, as much as $20,000 of it to draw affiliates - yet no affiliate received a single penny worth of gold in your contest).

You are a total bullshitter on GFY, and always have been.

Be glad I have left your trainwreck personal life out of my postings so far... :2 cents:

My comments have been relevent to the thread inasmuch as you carry on as a know-it-all about how to make money in the adult biz, while defending thieves, yet independent stats (and your own past writing) do not reveal that you have achieved any significant level of success in the adult business.

Not long ago, you were asking for work/donations to buy your wife a gift, and just today you were trolling GFY for side video editing work (while trying to maintain the facade that you are making money hand over fist).

Yet you still try to carry on like some bigshot...brown-nosing anyone that will give you the time of the day, and trying to con everyone else.

Gold, Jerry, Gold!!! :1orglaugh

ADG

First off, my site is new and only soft launched. Thanks for throwing my name in there. Every thread you have posted in that I have posted in I was respectful even tho you have beef with Stickyfingerz. I judge people according how they treat me. So please leave my name out of your posts unless you have a problem with me and I have given you no reason to. Also, the program is fairly new, thus the newer sites stats. Never once has sticky said he makes money hand over fist. You have no right to bring personal stuff into the matter, because if the information you have is completely factual, then you know that would be very low and wrong to go there. So I am asking you nicely and semi respectfully this time to leave my name and me out of it, all together. Thank you :upsidedow

and I'm not his fiancee lol :p

Jens Van Assterdam 07-08-2008 12:56 AM

I wonder if sticky ever had to ship a goldbar in his promo..

stickyfingerz 07-08-2008 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 14434293)
Sorry, I confused Dana with Daisy, as to which talent you are currently banging - but you know what I meant.

BTW, your DixieDash (Dana's site) stats are even worse than your DaisyMarie stats, as I correctly cited (and you ignored):

DaisyMarie18: 645,842
DixieDash: 789,769



Which site of yours has the highest Alexa rank (and what is the rank)?

Anyway, how is it that Alexa does not cite a single website of yours that I looked up in the top 500,000, if in fact you are drawing the 750,000 visitors to your sites as you claim? That is simply inexplicable.

Among the reasons many people have trouble believing anything you say, is that you make ridiculous claims without providing any proof, besides your word, which has not proven to be worth much based upon previous revelations about you (your last employer called you a liar, a cheat, and a thief).

You protest that you've only had over six months to generate traffic, as to why Alexa's independent site data reveals that your site traffic stats totally suck:



"Just launched in January", yeah, as in over six months ago (and you were giving away GOLD, as much as $20,000 of it to draw affiliates - yet no affiliate received a single penny worth of gold in your contest).

You are a total bullshitter on GFY, and always have been.

Be glad I have left your trainwreck personal life out of my postings so far... :2 cents:

My comments have been relevent to the thread inasmuch as you carry on as a know-it-all about how to make money in the adult biz, while defending thieves, yet independent stats (and your own past writing) do not reveal that you have achieved any significant level of success in the adult business.

Not long ago, you were asking for work/donations to buy your wife a gift, and just today you were trolling GFY for side video editing work (while trying to maintain the facade that you are making money hand over fist).

Yet you still try to carry on like some bigshot...brown-nosing anyone that will give you the time of the day, and trying to con everyone else.

Gold, Jerry, Gold!!! :1orglaugh

ADG

Tell you what. Ill give you plenty of opportunity to suck my cock next time I see you lmao. If you can't figure out that 750k going into 123 domains well then... lmao. I have sites at 175,000 on alexa.

Its amazing you have such a bug up your ass about me. Where and when exactly by the way did I claim our program is making money hand over fist? You are a utter fucking moron. And you cite my former "employer" which he never was. I did side work for him helping him keep rent at the motel eight is all. Its also amazing that I start a second biz besides our program now that I have a bit of room to breathe and you call this trolling for work. lmao. Its called hard work and perseverance. ANYONE that says a new program starts rolling in the dough is a liar. Of course its financially difficult. Especially when you dont start out with a 100k budget. You are simply petty and pathetic. Make whatever claims you care to. Ill still be here. You and your gang of sticky haters tried to get rid of me last year over a bunch of bs that I think anyone with a brain can now see was bs. Maybe you missed the little rant about you the other night? Hey but feel free to take that guy that shows up once every 3 or 4 months in a drunken stupors word.

Regardless of what you say, you have no idea what I have going on, and how hard I work everyday. Sure Im not a huge fish now. But I will work until I am. You somehow paint that as a bad thing. Have at it Larry. Your opinion of me and my program makes little difference to me. And I am sorry I dont run fhgs on my domains to increase their alexa. We don't do free hosting period. I work on getting solid traffic. Over all our domains. Its not a overnight process. Btw Dixie only launched last month so I think her alexa is just fine. Ta ta old hippy.

Paul Markham 07-08-2008 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14427492)
There are a lot of members areas out there using streaming h264 rtmpe right now. I wont speak up for them as its not my place. Ours rebills just fine.

The problem is everyone worried what "might" happen. The error happened long before most of us were in Adult. The model was flawed from the get go.

Jim all I ask is this. And answer honestly. Do you think that a member should be allowed to keep all videos in a members area for the price of renting them?

This needs changed over industry wide. No more video downloads they can keep forever.

Personally I would MUCH prefer to wack it to streaming vids rather than wait for them to download.

Who runs Videobox? Ask them which does better their streaming model, or their download model. They have both available to the member. Shit Im even a member there, and I pick streaming everytime unless there is a vid I really want to see and they dont have that option yet. Who watches the same porn vid more than once and wacks to it again within say even 1 month? Maybe if that was their ONLY video to watch yes, but if they are offered the option to watch a fresh vid they have never seen and looks hot they will choose new over old everytime. So personally I wouldn't want to clog up my hard drive with vids I might never watch again.

Add to that, that a VERY large number of paysite members are husbands that do not want their wife finding their porn. So Im sure MANY would rather have a fast streaming, fully scrubable high quality video solution that isn't saved to their computer, but that they have super easy access to.

Let me ask you another question, do you think that with the current model, and the increasing amount of piracy going on it is a good idea to continue feeding that lurking monster? Its like having a dragon in your basement that is eating your children but you keep sending down sides of beef to it to eat.

Everyone on the planets bandwidth is increasing 10 fold if not now, soon. Everyone will eventually be on fiber pushing 30 megs up and down. That means if I have a vid on my computer I can hit up my buddy who wants to see the video. Its about 700MB so normally that would of taken uploading to a host, waiting a long ass time, then giving them the link. Would require them to pay for some hosting at least. Now its coming where they will be able to hit up that same buddy via say Yahoo messenger, click file send, and that 700MB file will be there in minutes.

This is not going to get better, its going to get worse. No matter of legal wrangling, or just flat out whining is going to stop it. The only way is to cut off the super easy access to the supply. Ok I've got work to do. [/rant] hehe :winkwink:

Great post and needs repeating. The problem is a lot of people running paysites simply don't understand the needs of the consumers. The BS that has been spoken about members shows how little some people know.

Paul Markham 07-08-2008 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Black_Widow (Post 14429066)
That?s because you are a webmaster. If you were some guy with fixation on certain fetish you would watch same shit over and over. I don?t think that some guy that sees long toe nails and loves the girl will be be pocking his clown on videos with grandma. He will be getting off on same video for months.

Absolute cods wallop. That's English slang for rubbish.

99% (OK maybe 95%) of the porn produced in this industry is not worth watching twice. And there is the crux of the problem today. We have produced crap content that is not worth keeping, is not worth paying for and now complaining because some people have brought out sites with free stuff that is not worth keeping and not worth paying for.

mynameisjim has the right idea for some.

Quote:

The model of "All the content you can download and keep for $29.95" seemed to work in the days when there was so much money to be made it didn't matter. But the market is mature now and maybe a new model is needed.
The days of throwing up a site with content anyone can shoot, 40 scenes and sending as much traffic as possible to spend $29.95 are over and every surfer you do get to sign up is another potential Tube user. For 8 years you said traffic was King and content could be got anywhere. Well you proved that right. The Tube sites get the content anywhere and the traffic comes. The problem is they don't charge $30 for it.

The future will belong to the guys who know what the surfer wants, able to produce it and at the price the member's willing to pay for it. If you can't figure it out the Tubes will take your traffic.

The only hope you have is if others with the money and the balls shut down the Tube sites.

The Duck 07-08-2008 01:23 AM

Tube sites will die.

Paul Markham 07-08-2008 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14433009)
A-fucking-MEN. Thank you.

Many people, no offense to stinkyzingerz the republican, talk and think like a fucking webmaster. "What makes it easier for THEM", and "how THEY like to do it", and so on.

I've read this countless times on this, and other, forums. No one gives a fuck how YOU like to do it. It's about how the member, or returning customer likes it. This almost always comes up in the whole pretty website design discussions.

Pretty websites are for webmasters. Not surfers. Surfers want good...

1. Content.
2. Navigation.
3. Download speeds.
4. Consistent updates.
5. Support. Interaction.

:disgust

Spot on. But what do you expect when webmasters open paysites? How often do we see people here say they do not buy porn, consume porn or even like porn? Being a vegetarian would not look good on a butchers CV.

We talk about members as if they are the problem not the solution. Trust me the surfer is the solution, we need to stop catering to affiliates and sending more traffic to more sites that piss off the consumer and start producing a product and service people will pay for.

Problem is some sponsors don't have a clue what I'm talking about. To them porn is easy to shoot and any girl naked is hot!!!

nextri 07-08-2008 01:37 AM

There is no adult webmaster forum worse than GFY... The amount of bullshit, and ignorant newbies on this forums is just amazing..
The simple fact that the main forum is called Fucking Around AND Program Discussion is a good sign that this is not a place for business.
Would be so much better if those two were split into two subforums. One for Fucking Around like 95% of the people here do, and one for Program Discussion and business for the other 5%

Paul Markham 07-08-2008 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 14433804)
All I am saying is before making big changes to your program, check out the source/people giving you free advice, and then make your own judgement call...

ADG

This industry has been taking advice from the wrong people for 8 years. It's this advice that has got us into the situation we find ourselves in today. Or are you saying the advice was right?

For 8 years it's GENERALLY been the same approach. The surfer is a scammer who wants to download your complete server and then cancel or even charge back. He's also someone you can use pre clicked boxes to sell him something he does not want, sign him up for free and in truth charge him as much as you can, sign him up to a site that's full of crap that's not worth the money. Will not even go into all the other shit things we do to him.

Basically rip him off so you can pay an affiliates as much money as possible. GOD FORBID you should ever treat an affiliate as badly as you treat a member or surfer. That will get you exposed as a scammer, shaver and down right nasty person on every board possible.

So what has changed that makes it different today? Tube sites rip off us and give the surfer what they want. And fuck me if the surfer does not prefer them to our paysites. What a wonder that is.

If you want the surfer to come back what do you think will make him come back? Because none of you have a hope in hell of closing Tube sites.

Barefootsies 07-08-2008 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 14434450)
For 8 years it's GENERALLY been the same approach. The surfer is a scammer who wants to download your complete server and then cancel or even charge back. He's also someone you can use pre clicked boxes to sell him something he does not want, sign him up for free and in truth charge him as much as you can, sign him up to a site that's full of crap that's not worth the money. Will not even go into all the other shit things we do to him.

Basically rip him off so you can pay an affiliates as much money as possible. GOD FORBID you should ever treat an affiliate as badly as you treat a member or surfer. That will get you exposed as a scammer, shaver and down right nasty person on every board possible.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

FightThisPatent 07-08-2008 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 14427454)
Sticky, DRM/encrypted streams that do not allow the surfer to download the videos sound like a good idea in principle, but it really has to affect rebilling and customer satisfaction, no? If you are running sites using it now, tell the truth, don't you receive angry emails from members asking why they can't save the videos to their hard drives? I mean, it may work to keep your content from being reposted but at what cost? I simply can't believe that your customers are okay with this and are happy to keep paying to not be able to save the videos.


why not make the silent license last for like a year after they quit.. then you pop them with a message to join again.

the failure of DRM was initially the implementation, webmasters cut people off the moment they quit the site. then review sites started to track who was using DRM videos..

DRM is easily stripped anyways (fairuse4WM), so only takes one clever kid to strip it out and share it with the world through P2P and tube type sites.

best bet is to watermark.

for those ultra-paranoid about ppl cropping the video to take out the watermark, make it rotate positions on the top and bottom to prevent clipping.

Fight the sharing!

FightThisPatent 07-08-2008 06:18 AM

Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.

Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore.

illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it.

so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer.

Fight the preaching!

Paul Markham 07-08-2008 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 14435126)
Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.

Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore.

illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it.

so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer.

Fight the preaching!

Good plan. I wonder why so many did not follow it from day one?

Let me think about it for 2 seconds.

Yes most of the people who came into Internet porn back in 1998 were programmers. Few had a clue about porn, they had less of a clue on the buyer and why he bought porn. Most thought it was something to get rich quick on, which in the beginning it was. The pioneers made it largely because it was so fucking easy anyone could do it. They then thought the way these people succeeded was the way to succeed. Most of those copying were clueless why a site sold.

Ten years on we have the industry WE created. Yes WE created the mess we are in. We listened to people who if they had known what they were talking about the surfers would not be rushing to get their thrills from a Tube site.

That is the reason it's so tough today. The product most of us sell does not COMPETE with Pornotube and Redtube and all most can do is dream they will disappear. I'm planning to bring out a site none of you can copy the porn it will contain, that will put me apart from most. Then I will be reviving the $5 idea and selling porn at a price surfers will buy at.

Now you can all bleat that you won't send traffic to it. So keep sending traffic to sites that rip off the surfer. Because that's the bottom line and the reason we are in the shit. For 10 years you have been more than happy to send traffic to sites that made a lot of surfers think Tube sites were a better deal.

Barefootsies you can quote this and add some smilies, does not make any useful contribution except to show you don't have anything constructive to say.

chodadog 07-08-2008 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14427598)
You seem to be confirming what I am saying about Streaming vs. Download though correct? Streaming is the more popular choice if given the option?

You're living in a fantasy world. Surfers want downloadable DRM free videos.

http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=2880
http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=1164
http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=1163
http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=9018

bizarrejan 07-08-2008 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eriic (Post 14429060)
She or he or it is to busy sucking my rock hard old cock to help you.:warning


you wish??

Barefootsies 07-08-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 14435253)
Barefootsies you can quote this and add some smilies, does not make any useful contribution except to show you don't have anything constructive to say.

You are overly defensive toots. I was not slamming you, or your remarks in my previous reply. It was laugh out loud funny, and I agreed with it.

You need to cool it chief on thinking everyone's out to bash you. Save it for your fan club.

stickyfingerz 07-08-2008 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 14435377)

apparently so many want downloadable videos they took that site down.

"cannot connect to mysql"

DarkJedi 07-08-2008 09:27 AM

Serious business.

tony286 07-08-2008 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 14435126)
Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.

Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore.

illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it.

so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer.

Fight the preaching!

Disabled the right click in 2000 lost half my members in two days. Brandon you're a smart guy, people have been use to one way for a long time now.They aren't just going to accept now you only get to see it as long as your paying for it. Now Sticky is starting from nothing so that's the way he does it great for him. Im not starting from zero and there more sites in my niche that you can download the video than not.
Also whats not spoken about you want to do only flash and you have more than 5 members. You need some heavy duty server power.

nation-x 07-08-2008 09:31 AM

I think that most of you sound like idiots... of course the surfer will tell you they want to keep it... but Paul is right... if your content is on point then it doesn't matter because they will still buy memberships to wack it to the girl/scene that makes them hot. Videobox and AEBN are perfect examples of programs that do it right and make more money the most of your programs combined.

lol @ alexa... I have tgps that have a way higher alexa then those... hehe.

raven1083 07-08-2008 09:33 AM

seems interesting!

stickyfingerz 07-08-2008 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14435776)
Disabled the right click in 2000 lost half my members in two days. Brandon you're a smart guy, people have been use to one way for a long time now.They aren't just going to accept now you only get to see it as long as your paying for it. Now Sticky is starting from nothing so that's the way he does it great for him. Im not starting from zero and there more sites in my niche that you can download the video than not.
Also whats not spoken about you want to do only flash and you have more than 5 members. You need some heavy duty server power.

So not to offend, but what you are saying is. You want to stop content theft, piracy, etc, but you don't want to take any personal risk to help the industry overall. Because in 2000 8 years ago people got mad about disabling right click and saving images. I mean come on that is what it comes down to here. The industry is being attacked and no one wants to really goto war. Everyone wants to sit compliantly and let someone else take the risk. And since "joe smo site owner" might not jump in on the cause everyone has to stay at the status quo. Isn't that partly how all this mess started? Webmaster B saw that webmaster A was giving away more on their free site, tgp, whatever, so webmaster B started giving away more than A to try to take back their marketshare. Then Webmaster A saw B is giving away more now, and Webmaster C was giving away twice that, so Webmaster A went and bought (or stole) a shit load more content and doubled what C was doing.

Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology?

As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs*

And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction.

tony286 07-08-2008 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14435823)
So not to offend, but what you are saying is. You want to stop content theft, piracy, etc, but you don't want to take any personal risk to help the industry overall. Because in 2000 8 years ago people got mad about disabling right click and saving images. I mean come on that is what it comes down to here. The industry is being attacked and no one wants to really goto war. Everyone wants to sit compliantly and let someone else take the risk. And since "joe smo site owner" might not jump in on the cause everyone has to stay at the status quo. Isn't that partly how all this mess started? Webmaster B saw that webmaster A was giving away more on their free site, tgp, whatever, so webmaster B started giving away more than A to try to take back their marketshare. Then Webmaster A saw B is giving away more now, and Webmaster C was giving away twice that, so Webmaster A went and bought (or stole) a shit load more content and doubled what C was doing.

Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology?

As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs*

And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction.

I didnt call you any names but its easier when you are starting from zero. Im not I have a mortgage to pay so I cant be ground breaking and I have competitors. Also when you have been around as long as me without depending on anyone else with a day job then you can belittle my experience. I hired remove your content and they have done a great job so dont put words in my mouth about doing nothing.

webbom 07-08-2008 09:58 AM

Sorry for the newbie question but why are the sites illegal?

notoldschool 07-08-2008 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14435823)
So not to offend, but what you are saying is. You want to stop content theft, piracy, etc, but you don't want to take any personal risk to help the industry overall. Because in 2000 8 years ago people got mad about disabling right click and saving images. I mean come on that is what it comes down to here. The industry is being attacked and no one wants to really goto war. Everyone wants to sit compliantly and let someone else take the risk. And since "joe smo site owner" might not jump in on the cause everyone has to stay at the status quo. Isn't that partly how all this mess started? Webmaster B saw that webmaster A was giving away more on their free site, tgp, whatever, so webmaster B started giving away more than A to try to take back their marketshare. Then Webmaster A saw B is giving away more now, and Webmaster C was giving away twice that, so Webmaster A went and bought (or stole) a shit load more content and doubled what C was doing.

Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology?

As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs*

And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction.


Dude you should stop posting about shit you have no clue about. Leave it to someone who gets absolutly NO TRAFFIC to tell people what members want. THe more you speak the more clear you make it that YOU have no clue. Members want to download the movies period. I had more members in 03 than you will have in the next 5 years. How can you stand there and protest to know what members want? Alexa is off, but it doesnt matter if you use Alexa, compete, or your very own stats, any proggie owner worth a sale knows you do less than a couple sales a day. Fact.

shadowsdrop 07-08-2008 10:13 AM

This is interesting. links?

stickyfingerz 07-08-2008 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14435928)
Dude you should stop posting about shit you have no clue about. Leave it to someone who gets absolutly NO TRAFFIC to tell people what members want. THe more you speak the more clear you make it that YOU have no clue. Members want to download the movies period. I had more members in 03 than you will have in the next 5 years. How can you stand there and protest to know what members want? Alexa is off, but it doesnt matter if you use Alexa, compete, or your very own stats, any proggie owner worth a sale knows you do less than a couple sales a day. Fact.

Mr Fake nick again making claims he wont back up. Name your program, name one site you have otherwise gtfo. Just as I said in comes someone saying I am wrong, when the writing is already on the wall. Believe as you will have at it, it wont stop what is happening.

Everyone talks about conversions being bad now? Just wait for fiber to replace the current broadband model. Anyone remember direct connect? Watch something similar to that come out but work via instant messengers. [sarcasm]Everyone stay right where you are, no need to change. Everything will be just fine... [/sarcasm] keep telling yourselves that lol.

Barefootsies 07-08-2008 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14436006)
Everyone talks about conversions being bad now?

Who is, "everyone"?

See sig nig.
:winkwink:

ultimatebbwdotcom 07-08-2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14435880)
I didnt call you any names but its easier when you are starting from zero. Im not I have a mortgage to pay so I cant be ground breaking and I have competitors. Also when you have been around as long as me without depending on anyone else with a day job then you can belittle my experience. I hired remove your content and they have done a great job so dont put words in my mouth about doing nothing.

Seriously Tony, you can phase this in.

tony286 07-08-2008 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom (Post 14436194)
Seriously Tony, you can phase this in.

To each his own :) Right to go thru the great expense to do it right.Its not worth it currently to me also would rather use the dollars to book shoots.Not one customer to date has asked me for flash but I still do get the guy on win 3.1 or the box too old to watch videos or webtv.


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