Machete_

Serge.. IF... if you are the bigshot you say you are, you must at some point have put a price on your ass, to get paid...
What do i have to pay, you to do a Looser/Tranny Photoshoot with Board Whore

Come On.. we know you have a price... And i have the freaking to back it up..... name your prize.. You will get all that attention you are fighting so har to get... and even get a ton of money as a bonus...

[Labret]

That sounded bad, not trying to insinuate that AMP does not work.

Ross

ahhh ok sounds fair enough!
not a way I would spend my time but hey each to their own

as I said I don't know you so I won't say nice guy or asshole!

But if ya enjoy pissing people off then good luck, but from what I have seen you are pissing with the wrong people!

Anyway, once again no offence to anyone, c ya all later!

Serge_Oprano

so,
what we got today is:

1) MOST of the governements today,
including, USA, France, UK, Germany
were started by terrorists, revolutineers, violent overthrow of the previous governmens

2) Israel was LEGALLY created by United Nations, therefore ABSOLUTELLY legal entety


what I don't understand is:
what makes you support Paletinians vs. Israelis?

we both agree on the roots and come to absolutelly different conclusions..

why?

what makes in your opinion, one side is right and another wrong, and vice versa?

Serge_Oprano

I am an asshole, so now you know.

As for "wrong people",
please define what you mean....

yours and mine definition of "wrong people" might be VERY different.

Serge_Oprano

BTW, I've been in Scotland last year, love the country, it's history and it's people. One of the first webmasters I started doing business with were from Edinburgh...the guys who now run FlashCash, very smart and intelligent guys,
and my definition of wrong people to piss with would be Rihno brothers, due to their description above
;-)))

Nysus

I really find that point hilarious - that any law made means it is right. So I guess that would mean you'd with a law sayin no one who's nickname is Serge or ever was Serge is allowed to exist. Yes, it is ludicrous. That's my point.

Oh Serge,

bunk [Short for bunkum]
n.
Empty talk; nonsense.

Cheers,
Matt

Serge_Oprano

Matt,
are you an Anarchist?

Nysus

No, I'm more an advocate for what's right - as opposed to what is wrong, and unjust.

Cheers,
Matt

Serge_Oprano

Matt,
do you know what Democracy is?

Democracy is the the form of the Government where 51% of voters can vote another 49% into slavery.

If you wanna discuss the fine points of casuistic,
I beleive we should start another thread and ask Lens to install additional hard drive

Serge_Oprano

wrong and unjust to whom?

The world we are living in is NOT a just place.

"What is TRUTH"?

(Ponti Pilat, The Holy Bible)

theking

What is right, wrong, just, or unjust are all subects open to subjective interpretation.

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E-Randy

How much "financial aid" money does the U.S. government give to Israel yearly? I forgot the number... Wasn't it like $9 Billion Plus?

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Serge_Oprano

I don't know...but from what I heard on TV, it will take 4 billions a month to run Iraq after we throw Saddam Husein out of power....

Serge_Oprano

D I T T O!

theking

No, it is around 3 billion but we sometimes provide more if the situation calls for it.

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Nysus

Exactly, which is why there is war, and terrorism. Things can be made more equal/fair/"more just" for both sides, as opposed to all for one side.

Cheers,
Matt

Serge_Oprano

Matt,
your suggestion been forwarded to the Kings of:
Saudi Arabia,
Kuwait,
Arab Emirates
Muammar Quadaffi,
Saddam Husein,
and starting tomorrow they will be sending money to Israel, and US will be sending money to Arafat.

will that satisfy your zest for equality?

Ross

At least you admit to being an asshole, and you are correct what is right or wrong in this case....

Just wanted to know why you wanted to piss people off so much and now I know, and what I meant from the wrong people, was that you seem to piss off the people who are very popular around here!

Well thanx for your reply and yes Scotland is a beautiful country but not in winter!!

Anyway, I aint gonna piss no one off so I leave it with you guys

c ya

Serge_Oprano

Ross,
any idiot can beat an unpopular and weak,
every high school bully will tell you that.

I beat on popular and "mighty" because some of them are full of shit. I HATE bullshit.

I like beating the strong opponents, there is no sport in beating
weaklinks...

bhutocracy

I would have thought support for palestinians against the israeli's would be the lefty position.. the right's stance is much more anti-palestinian "terrorism"..

Serge_Oprano

I wouldn't brand it as "lefty".

Does anybody know that King Hussein of Jordan killed MORE palestinians during their coup in 50th than ALL other enteties combined?

I don't see Labret chastising Jordanians...
why, Labret, why?

[Labret]

True.

I think Israel gets attention from both sides. The Republican Christian Right for the obvious theological implications of Israel, but the left as well as they love to champion the cause of the oppressed. If the Nazis hate ya, the lefties love ya.

Most of the people on this board who have responsed to me and called me a nazi for disliking Israel are generally coming from the left. They will be the first ones to call me a klan loving hillbilly neo-nazi. They wont try and argue the politics of it as they cannot. All they know is Israel is where the Jews live, and they do so because everyone wants to kill them, so anyone who doesnt like Israel doesnt like Jews. So you must be a nazi. And those are trademarks of the left. Someone from the right will "generally" try and argue the politics of the region, like Serge. Not just lash out blindly.

I dont know if that made any sense, Im operating off very little sleep.

[Labret]

Jordan, if I remember correctly, was trying to put the smackdown on Islamic militants in their country. I have no problem with that, no despot wants Osama brand Islam in their country. Thats the last thing you want.

I dont care what Israel wants.

Serge_Oprano

Yes, I am more from the right than from left,
I am a Jew and know Jewish and Israeli history,
I lived for 2 years with Palestinians in student hostel
IN THE SAME ROOM,
and know the story well from THEIR point of view,
I understand a little Arabic,
which makes it easier for me navigate thry bullshit and separate facts from fiction.

Labret,
your "heros and oppressed" are not heros.

Israelies WERE terrorists, Palestinians ARE terrorists.

Serge_Oprano

Labret,
those Islamic militants what you call them, were Palestinians
who were trying to overthrow the King.

There were never state in the history of the world called Palestine.

The Palestine Territory was part of Ottoman Empire,
than Jordan Kingdom, than British Protectorat...

long history of the land always ruled by somebody other than palestinians

[Labret]

Yes, I know.

I know the Palestinians are crazy fuckers. Although I understand why they are crazy fuckers. The last thing I would like to see are the current group of Palestinians taking control of Israel. All they would do is shut it down and desecrate and destroy one of the most important places (historically and theologically) in the world. What they did to the Tomb of David made me sick to my stomach. It was like watching the Taliban blow up the Buddhas. Sickening.

But it goes both ways. Israel is not helping the problem and making any friends by closing off access to importat Muslim areas.

Both sides need to be removed from the area and let the academia in to run the place properly.

Because it is the Holy Land. If the Christians were not trying to take it, the Muslims were. Israel is a special place (an undersatement) and has probably traded hands politically more than any other place on earth.

Serge_Oprano

I know the Palestinians are crazy fuckers. Although I understand why they are crazy fuckers. The last thing I would like to see are the current group of Palestinians taking control of Israel. All they would do is shut it down and desecrate and destroy one of the most important places (historically and theologically) in the world. What they did to the Tomb of David made me sick to my stomach. It was like watching the Taliban blow up the Buddhas. Sickening.

But it goes both ways. Israel is not helping the problem and making any friends by closing off access to importat Muslim areas.

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I don't know why Labret was labeled NeoNazi....

I find MORE points I agree with you, Labret,
than not....this is SCARRY
;-))

If I was Israeli Government,
I'd let Palestinians have their own state,
(Israel wouldn't be the first State in history of the World to have hostile neighbors)


If I was USA Government,
I'd support Israel even MORE after Palestinians
have their own state,
'cuz Israel was, is, and always will be the friend of the United States.

I see it happening one day....

FATPad

Because normally he says things like he wishes more Israeli kids would be killed, posts a pic of some fully armed Palestinian whacko and calls the guy his hero, then says he wishes all the Jews would be pushed into the ocean.

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[Labret]

I would love to see you quote me saying that one.

This is precisely what I am talking about.

And you are right, I dont care if Israelis get blown up on a bus. And I do admire someone with enough dedication to a cause to strap a home made bomb to their ass and walk into an SBarro. This is an Israeli conflict, not a Jew conflict. Its roots may lie in theology, but that never even begins to be discussed on here. it is people like you who cannot seperate the two who are truly mental midgets.

How that turns me into an anti-semite, I will never know.

FATPad

If you say so. If no one understands what you're saying, perhaps it's your fault for not communicating effectively? Nah...it's everyone else's fault that you talk in circles.

I hate Israel, the Jews 3000 years ago did something, blow up all the israeli kids, I love Palestinian suicide bombers, this all started because of what the evil jews did eons ago, quote the Torah....

You love trying to prove how smart you are, but doubletalk yourself in circles until you feel like trying to prove how fair and reasonable you are. It's kinda funny.

But whatever you say, Labret. I'm impressed by all your degrees and you must be right...everyone else is dumb.

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[Labret]

All I can say is, thank you.

FATPad

My pleasure.

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quiet

how long until i get to make my judgement?

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Serge_Oprano

I understand....you also admire Israelis who blew British hotels, British installations in Palestine,
you admire american soldies in Vietnam who were so much dedicated to the cause that they eradicated entire civilian villages,
you admire nazis who almost eradicated entire Jewish population in Europe,
cause their dedication to the cause was even bigger than the cause,
you admire Pol Pot who killed 1/2 of his own country man because his cause was bigger than their cause.

nice.........

Serge_Oprano

you can render it at any time,
you are the judge...you do what you want and I'll obide

Serge_Oprano

I wouldn't say EVERYONE,
but 80% of GFY are...which is of course MY opinion ONLY.

[Labret]

nah, I am pretty much narrowing my focus down to suicide bombers. Regardless of religious or political belief. Although I do have a weakness for people who committ such acts in the name of God. Each one of one of those examples above I would need to address individually.

s9ann0

serge loser

Serge_Oprano

Got it. You are fascinated by people who overcame their natural self preservation instincts.

You admire psychopats and deviates from norm of civilized behavior.

Interesting fascination...we all have our fetishes.

IOW,
I see it more as a fetish on your part than a political statement, am I right?

[Labret]

I dont think it necessarily makes a person a psychopath. I think in some cases these people have more control over their metal faculties than most of the people on this board. They tend to look at the big picture. Regardless of how kooky the big picture may seem to us.

Deviants? Yes. Anyone who strays from the norm is a deviant. Serge, you are a deviant. I am a deviant. And I am not so sure I would call it a fascination, our society has always been fascinated by martyrs. All our war heros, political martyrs, our Martin Luthers Kings, our Jesus Christs.

Ross

Ok I understand that but who determines if they are full of bullshit or not? YOU?

Its called having an opinion!! well at least I think its still called that these days!

Well if thats what you like to do in your spare time then fine and you are allowed to have an opinion as well, but thats all it is, its not right its not wrong!!

Got work to do, c ya

quiet

(in an obscure sense) the will to power.

[Labret]

Precisely.

Serge_Oprano

Labret, I wouldn't call BRAIN WASHING as
"control of their mental faculties"
SOMEBODY IS IN CONTROL of their faculties, but it ain't them

My life experience in Soviet Union, showed me the apparatus of brain washing, where the almost entire country was brain washed 'till USSR collapse.

Brain IS controllable,
therefore I do not agree with above,
even though the part about this board makes TOTAL sense
;_)))

mika

I saw where this was going. Labret trying to collect sympathy from a judge that knowingly likes Nietzsche. It's obvious. Labret's talk about martyrs, deviants, big picture

I hope the judge can stay objective

Serge_Oprano

agree 100%, no exceptions taken

Serge_Oprano

yeap, good 'ole buddy Nietzche all the way.

We saw in 1945 how one of his followers ended up...
I call Nietzche's writings as
"bancrupt philosophy", but Mika,
this thread is NOT about Nietzche, it's about Israel and Palestine,
and I HOPE Palestinians and their leaders won't end up as their predecessors armed with similar philosophy...

World doesn't need more bloodshed.

Serge_Oprano

Mika,
ALL judgements are SUBJECTIVE but..
I'll accept any outcome.

[Labret]

I dont know exactly what was being judged. As far as Serge was concerned yesterday he was coming in to "crush the anti-semite cretin" (or something to that effect).

The only things we really disagree on are minor points. And I would say we agree more than we disagree.