Judge Orders YouTube to Give All User Histories to Viacom

[D Ghost]

Google will have to turn over every record of every video watched by YouTube users, including users' names and IP addresses, to Viacom, which is suing Google for allowing clips of its copyright videos to appear on YouTube, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Viacom wants the data to prove that infringing material is more popular than user-created videos, which could be used to increase Google's liability if it is found guilty of contributory infringement.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...orders-yo.html

[nosey]

fuck google

[ADL Eddie]

"we have no records" - Google

[CIVMatt]

What are they going to do sue a bazillion people?

[media]

Heh thats some funny shit right there... they'll need a whole staff of 100+ people to review those logs..

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by nosey

fuck google

yeah, cause its googles fault that viacom are douchebags

[payd2purv]

Originally Posted by deejne

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...orders-yo.html

All I can do is laugh...

[D Ghost]

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has already reacted, calling the order a violation of the Video Privacy Protection act that "threatens to expose deeply private information."

Google correctly argued that ?the data should not be disclosed because of the users? privacy concerns,? citing the VPPA, 18 U.S.C. § 2710. However, the Court dismissed this argument with no analysis, stating ?defendants cite no authority barring them from disclosing such information in civil discovery proceedings, and their privacy concerns are speculative.?

[d-null]

that is obviously a money grabbing technique

but to really deter copyright infringement, shouldn't the scare be put into those that uploaded the videos? If people start getting sued big for "sharing" videos under the whole "user submitted" website model, it could really put a dent in the piracy thing.

it worked a little bit for music, I think, don't know why they didn't continue with it?

[nosey]

Originally Posted by Jaysin

yeah, cause its googles fault that viacom are douchebags

fuck viacom too

[DateDoc]

Nice dream but they will never get it.

[payd2purv]

What if they don't even want this information to sue.

What if they want it for their own marketing?

What if it's all a big conspiracy to sell us products and movies we want without us knowing?!?!

FUck.. I'm scared.. this could be bigger than George Bush and 9/11

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by media

Heh thats some funny shit right there... they'll need a whole staff of 100+ people to review those logs..

Wow, I wonder if the largest media corporation in the world would be able to afford to hire 100+ people.

[Pnk XXX]

pretty fucking shady

[D Ghost]

"Viacom also requested YouTube's source code, the code for identifying repeat copyright infringement uploads, copies of all videos marked private, and Google's advertising database schema.

Those requests were denied in whole, except that Google will have to turn over data about how often each private video has been watched and by how many persons."

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

What are they going to do sue a bazillion people?

There are only 6.7 billion people on the planet, and only 300+ million of them are here in America.

[payd2purv]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

There are only 6.7 billion people on the planet, and only 300+ million of them are here in America.

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by deejne

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...orders-yo.html

Google needs to tell them "we'll get back to you" and continue to look at records for the next 100 years as there are so many records

[Scott McD]

That could take a while methinks...

[commonsense]

They way everyone pines for them you'd thing it was Googles big ol' tits they were suckling on as children. Don't be so heartbroken

[Tom_PM]

Each video includes # of views in plain site for anyone to see. Maybe google can just release it's counter source code.

$views=+1;

[czarina]

Originally Posted by nosey

fuck google

Actually, fuck the judge!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Youtube was a poison pill to google.
I said it before the sale and I said so after the sale

I am going to go so far as to predict that Google shuts Youtube down while it is modified with better copyright filters or Google closes Youtube entirelly which may be to drastic but I definatly see YoutTube going down for a while.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

PS: Youtube is truly one of the biggest violations of copyright in american history.

Historically there never has been such an operation of flagrant and vast copyright theft. The news and media outlets will be saying that soon.

[Sly]

It's funny seeing people talk about YouTube and then porn tube sites.

[Tom_PM]

Always has seemed to me that what they need is uploaders certifying that they have legal rights to distribute the material, then digitally sign it. Doesnt seem hard(?)

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by czarina

Actually, fuck the judge!

lol

[tony286]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

PS: Youtube is truly one of the biggest violations of copyright in american history.

Historically there never has been such an operation of flagrant and vast copyright theft. The news and media outlets will be saying that soon.

your right

[gideongallery]

this is total bs

as a canadian who post to youtube, releasing my information would be a violation of peipeda

the canadian government is the authority that prevents such a release

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by deejne

Google correctly argued that ?the data should not be disclosed because of the users? privacy concerns,? citing the VPPA, 18 U.S.C. § 2710. However, the Court dismissed this argument with no analysis, stating ?defendants cite no authority barring them from disclosing such information in civil discovery proceedings, and their privacy concerns are speculative.?

usual bullshit then

[Mr Pheer]

google should print the records out on paper and then send truckloads of records to Viacom

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

google should print the records out on paper and then send truckloads of records to Viacom

hahahahaha lmao

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

google should print the records out on paper and then send truckloads of records to Viacom

[born2blog]

what a joke

[Kevin Marx]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

this is total bs

as a canadian who post to youtube, releasing my information would be a violation of peipeda

the canadian government is the authority that prevents such a release

I was waiting to see when you would chime in on this. You forgot to add your schtick about Fair Usage rights and timeshifting as well.

All the world is free game and copyright infringement is a fairy tale.

Good for Viacom. There needs to be some serious steps in controlling copyright infringement.

Get the systems first, get the users second. If there is no system to share under, the users will have to go back to sharing one on one. It's beyond impossible to shut down sharing when it's one seeder and 20 million sharers.

[seeric]

they gonna try to sue users for watching clips or try to tally what youtube owes them in royalties for people watching the clips?

[pornask]

Originally Posted by deejne

Google correctly argued that ?the data should not be disclosed because of the users? privacy concerns,? citing the VPPA, 18 U.S.C. § 2710. However, the Court dismissed this argument with no analysis, stating ?defendants cite no authority barring them from disclosing such information in civil discovery proceedings, and their privacy concerns are speculative.?

What a joke. Google is in the forefront of privacy violations, even worse than facebook. They collect everything about your behavior on line and erase none of it. Emails you delete from your gmail acocunt are not deleted, only their record in your inbox ir removed. Google sets a cookie with unique ID on your machine and everything you do is store in their ever growing database of your on line activities and they are assigned to your unique identifies. Ever wandered why it is you can't use any of google's services when you disable cookies? What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Redrob]

This will be interesting to see how it plays out...and who wins.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Sly

It's funny seeing people talk about YouTube and then porn tube sites.

EXACTLY!!

I'm behind Viacom on this one. They are doing what is needed to bring down illegal Tube sites and P2P. Seems some here support piracy and some hate it and some hate it and love depending on whether they are using it on YouTube or fighting it on Redtube.

We should use this decision and sue the buggers illegally uploading porn.

As for privacy matters. If you break the law you should not have any rights of privacy. The answer is simple, don't pirate or support them and you will stay private.

[Snake Doctor]

This is good news for those of us who want to see illegal tube sites shut down. If youtube can be found guilty of contributory infringement then it's game on for all of the copycats.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

This is good news for those of us who want to see illegal tube sites shut down. If youtube can be found guilty of contributory infringement then it's game on for all of the copycats.

It also sends a warning to people. Upload content you don't own and you might get a knock on your door from a man with a summons.

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Google should print the records out on paper and then send truckloads of records to Viacom

If Wicked sue Redtube should Redtube do the same?

Doing this after the judge told them to go buy some hard drives might just piss off the judge.

There is another side to this that no one has seen yet. Look on the big porn Tube sites and see the people uploading, some are clearly the owners uploading clips for advertising, some are from people doing a couple and a lot are from people who seem to have nothing better to do than upload hour after hour. Maybe an auto uploader or maybe the owner of the site ripping a members area and using it as uploaded.

To claim it was an independent surfer the owner of the Tube site has to able and ready to prove it was a surfer. Then the copyright holder can sue the uploader. I'm cynical and don't see members up loading hours after hours of porn.

[kane]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

they gonna try to sue users for watching clips or try to tally what youtube owes them in royalties for people watching the clips?

Mark Cuban actually just wrote about this on his blog. Basically he says what Viacom is looking for is proof that Youtube controls the content of their site on their end. they may use porn as this proof. Right now Youtube claims the site is policed by its users. If they find out through these records that Youtube has controlled content by killing porn videos before they even hit then this could cause Youtube to lose its DMCA and they would be fucked.

Also they want this info to prove that copyrighted material is more popular than user created material.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

this is total bs

as a canadian who post to youtube, releasing my information would be a violation of peipeda

the canadian government is the authority that prevents such a release

Did you own the content you posted to YouTube?

If your information is on the database and you were violating copyright laws your right of privacy ended right there. Ended by you making the decision to break the law. Privacy laws were never meant to protect criminals. Yes the records contain people who were not viewing or sharing copyright material and these will be ignored. So if you were uploading content you own then you have nothing to worry about.

Must do a search and see what you think of porn Tube sites and the people who upload to them.

[Tickler]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

What are they going to do sue a bazillion people?

Do the math.

Legal liability for YouTube viewers
Users of YouTube and other video-sharing sites could face $750 per clip penalties if they have watched a video that was uploaded without the copyright holder's permission.

Copyright infringement in the United States strict liability offense. What this means, is that users are liable when they illegally copy works, even if they're not aware that this is wrong, or that the work is protected by copyright.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-993...l?tag=blogFeed

[d-null]

that is pretty extreme to be unworkable... how about if someone uploads a photo to a forum that happens to be copywritten, would all people that open the thread be liable to pay?

[woj]

Originally Posted by Tickler

Do the math.

Legal liability for YouTube viewers
Users of YouTube and other video-sharing sites could face $750 per clip penalties if they have watched a video that was uploaded without the copyright holder's permission.

Copyright infringement in the United States strict liability offense. What this means, is that users are liable when they illegally copy works, even if they're not aware that this is wrong, or that the work is protected by copyright.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-993...l?tag=blogFeed

That's pretty stupid, a user has no way of knowing who uploaded the content or if the clips are legit or not, for all they know the clips were uploaded by legit copyright holders... .maybe on stolen-copyrighted-videos.com something like that will stick, but certainly not on a mainstream site like youtube...

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Youtube was a poison pill to google.
I said it before the sale and I said so after the sale

I am going to go so far as to predict that Google shuts Youtube down while it is modified with better copyright filters or Google closes Youtube entirelly which may be to drastic but I definatly see YoutTube going down for a while.

hahah you're fucking nuts

Rarely have I seen a person as clueless as you.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did you own the content you posted to YouTube?

If your information is on the database and you were violating copyright laws your right of privacy ended right there. Ended by you making the decision to break the law. Privacy laws were never meant to protect criminals. Yes the records contain people who were not viewing or sharing copyright material and these will be ignored. So if you were uploading content you own then you have nothing to worry about.

Must do a search and see what you think of porn Tube sites and the people who upload to them.

1. The court system in BOTH CANADA and the US is based on the concept of innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

2. they are not asking for the information of people who are guilty, they are asking for ALL information.

Read the question they are trying to make the arguement between user CREATED content and copyright content.

fair use does in fact mean that user DERIVED content is also NOT a copyright infringement, the question is predisposed that any use of copyright content is an infringement which it is not.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If Wicked sue Redtube should Redtube do the same?

I dont know, I've never been to RedTube. But I go to YouTube quite a bit, mostly checking out guitar videos that people make of themselves playing. Amazing how much you can learn like that.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

1. The court system in BOTH CANADA and the US is based on the concept of innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

2. they are not asking for the information of people who are guilty, they are asking for ALL information.

Read the question they are trying to make the arguement between user CREATED content and copyright content.

fair use does in fact mean that user DERIVED content is also NOT a copyright infringement, the question is predisposed that any use of copyright content is an infringement which it is not.

Taking the records of people does not imply any guilt. They need these records to find out whose guilty and whose innocent. But it's good to know you want to make catching and stopping copyright infringer's as hard as possible. Must go see what you post in threads about stopping pirates.