Anybody remember James Grady? Florida Passes New Law Against Teen Model Sites

[Mutt]

Way back when this guy James Grady was arrested and charged with CP - for shooting and running underage teen NN sites - same type of stuff you see on the popular NN paysites today except the models were < 18 - the government lost the case against him because well there's nothing really illegal about shooting a 16 year old in bikinis and lingerie - pretty much everybody agrees that these sites are 'wrong', but they aren't illegal. Grady became Jimmy Stephens and launched a multi model underage NN site called TrueTeenBabes in Tampa -he's posted here occassionally.

Well now the state of Florida has passed a law against what he does - the law is probably unconstitutional but who is gonna fight for their right in a higher court for their right to sell sexy images of 16 year olds to middle age men?

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/7/2/362036.html

Website featuring girls in lingerie at heart of new law

PINELLAS COUNTY Bay area (Bay News 9) -- A website run locally that features underage girls from 13 to 17 years old in lingerie and g-strings is at the heart of a new law signed by Gov. Charlie Crist Wednesday.

House Bill 559 now makes it a third degree felony "for teen modeling agencies that distribute on the internet pictures of minors in provocative circumstances."

The website, trueteenbabes.com, calls the pictures glamour photographs but lawmakers say the shots are borderline pornography.

Senator Mike Fasano (Fl- R) helped create the law.

According to the website, they have a studio and take pictures of the teens in Clearwater.

Parents have to sign off on it and they pay the girls a $100 an hour.

"We have an obligation to protect those children if their parents aren't going to," Fasano said.

Fasano said the state attorney's office looked at charging the photographer. They found he wasn't violating any current law and that's why Fasano sponsored the bill.

"Taking pictures of a 13-year-old girl in a bathing suit or less than a bathing suit and broadcasting that picture on a website where it's downloaded and purchased by sick pedophiles then I believe that is against our community standards," Fasano said.

"And the person taking that picture should be prosecuted to the fullest. And I believe it will hold up in federal court."

Fasano said he's learned because of his new law the True Teen Babes' photographer said he's now going to leave the state of Florida.

Bay News 9 tried contacting the photographer but he did not return our emails or calls.

Stetson constitutional law professor Michael Allen said he doesn't think the new law will stand up in federal court because in his opinion it infringes on the First Amendment right to freedom of expression.

"It would be extraordinary unlikely that 'True Teen Babes' would be found obscene in a court of law," Allen said. "The law sweeps too broadly and is too vague."

Fasano respectfully disagreed saying he feels it violates community obscenity standards.




"True Teen Babes - that was the one that was brought to our attention," Fasano said.

[jscott]

Damn, FL does any means necessary to bring down any pornographers they want

[pr0]

good maybe they can go after calvin klein now

& setup a "morality" police on the beaches of Florida to ticket the parents of any teenage girl wearing a bikini on the beach

good job Iran....oh wait, this is America.....

i think its fucked up & sick to market 13yo girls in skimpy clothing as a "business"...in fact I'd like to kick that weirdo square in the nuts

but then how are you going to sell young women's clothing in the long run if this kind of stuff holds up?

the way i see it....this is just a step in the direction of once again "overly controlling" women just like during the 1920's & those damn flappers!

[fris]

florida blows goats

[Mutt]

the law is definitely unconstitutional - his content isn't obscene and no judge or jury would find it obscene but nobody's going to stick their neck out and defend what this guy does because it is sleazy - Hollywood, the music and fashion industries, though aren't any better -they have been making sex objects out of 13 year olds forever. This guy is just tackier than they are at going about it.

[Jim_Gunn]

There are enough 18 year olds who arguably look 16 that you don't need to film underage girls! I filmed a girl born in 1990 yesterday who has a tiny body and baby face, Much safer business if the model is actually eighteen.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

There are enough 18 year olds who arguably look 16 that you don't need to film underage girls! I filmed a girl born in 1990 yesterday who has a tiny body and baby face, Much safer business if the model is actually eighteen.

why would you want to shoot girls that look 16? lets be honest, what market are you trying to cater to?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

why would you want to shoot girls that look 16? lets be honest, what market are you trying to cater to?

Um people who like teens. Typically that stereotype very tight yet innocent looking body that has developed and is basically at a point of perfection that will do nothing less than deteriorate with age.

Now to help with your remark, it is not to pedo's ya fuck. They have already lost interest in those that are 15-16. Hell most loose interest in them when they hit 11-12 if not much earlier.

[broke]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

why would you want to shoot girls that look 16? lets be honest, what market are you trying to cater to?

The market that finds post-pubescent women attractive?

* GASP *

[PervertInPueblaMexico]

I just looked at the site, it is still up. Pretty nice looking girls. I didn&#180;t go into the members area, but it looked like it&#180;s tastefully done. I really couldn&#180;t see anything wrong with it...

[Porno Dan]

How much longer before all Florida based adult production companies are forced to close shop?

[Socks]

k I think I see nipple at 10109, that's all I'll say.

I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever.... ever promote this site.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

How much longer before all Florida based adult production companies are forced to close shop?

In reality there are more companies filming in FL than ever before just like there are in every part of the US that has producers quietly doing their business. No one is closing shop. Max was a CA producer involved in a Federal case that had nothing to do with FL other than venue shopping. This guy mentioned above was photographing underage models and the COHF guys, well you read the accusations of multiple felonies that had nothing directly to do with filming porn per se. You really seem to have a hard on for this topic Dan, inappropriately.

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

In reality there are more companies filming in FL than ever before just like there are in every part of the US that has producers quietly doing their business. No one is closing shop. Max was a CA producer involved in a Federal case that had nothing to do with FL other than venue shopping. This guy mentioned above was photographing underage models and the COHF guys, well you read the accusations of multiple felonies that had nothing directly to do with filming porn per se. You really seem to have a hard on for this topic Dan, inappropriately.

I am just tyring to warn you. Florida is not a porn friendly State. It is not legal to shoot adult films in Florida, it is a grey area. An area of grey of which the State's attorney said , "We have this [porn] problem statewide,? Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar, who prosecuted the case, told the Pensacola News Journal. ?I hope prosecutors will take our lead and enforce our law.?

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I am just tyring to warn you. Florida is not a porn friendly State. It is not legal to shoot adult films in Florida, it is a grey area. An area of grey of which the State's attorney said , "We have this [porn] problem statewide,? Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar, who prosecuted the case, told the Pensacola News Journal. ?I hope prosecutors will take our lead and enforce our law.?

You made this point over and over again in several threads recently, your talking points are clearly at the ready. Why do you feel so passionately about this issue? And what would you say to big players like BangBros or Nasty Dollars and dozens of others doing business quite openly in FL without issues? You might consider that all those guys who got in trouble recently were over other things other than obscenity and the plight of poor John Stagliano who lives and runs his company in CA. Where does he fall on the spectrum of the gray area? He's supposed to be safe since he's in CA, right? Just trying to present a contradiction. Even if you have a point-and you do to a degree- I don't know why it gives you such pleasure to play chicken little.

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

You made this point over and over again in several threads recently, your talking points are clearly at the ready. Why do you feel so passionately about this issue? And what would you say to big players like BangBros or Nasty Dollars and dozens of others doing business quite openly in FL without issues? You might consider that all those guys who got in trouble recently were over other things other than obscenity and the plight of poor John Stagliano who lives and runs his company in CA. Where does he fall on the spectrum of the gray area? He's supposed to be safe since he's in CA, right? Just trying to present a contradiction. Even if you have a point-and you do to a degree- I don't know why it gives you such pleasure to play chicken little.

I have been advised by my attorney not to shoot in the State of Florida. The reason I have brought this point up were because of the cases that recently happended. I am not being "chicken little". I am merely pointing out the obvious, that the State of Florida does not want porn being shot.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by jscott

Damn, FL does any means necessary to bring down any pornographers they want

Well assuming there are no other uses for this law then I'd be for it. The only issue I'd have with it, is if they tried to use it on legal (18+) sites.


Fuck those underage NN sites that shit is fucked up and you damn sure know who the fuck they are catering too. I remember coming across an entire network of those sites all ran by some fuck off in Melbourne, Florida which is where I used to live.

I later found out one of the girls he had a site for, lived a few streets over from me here in Daytona. From what I understood the girl was about 16 and living with some 20 something guy because her parents were fuck offs.

So fuck that shit. I fully support taking down those kinda sites, that shit isn't free speech, there is nothing beneficial to anyone with that kind of sites. It's damn sure not art it's nothing more than CP.

Fuck offs like those ass holes are what give the rest of us bad names.. We get lumped in and compaired with those assholes and I'm sick of it.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I have been advised by my attorney not to shoot in the State of Florida. The reason I have brought this point up were because of the cases that recently happened. I am not being "chicken little". I am merely pointing out the obvious, that the State of Florida does not want porn being shot.

One could say just as easily say the State of California or the Federal Government itself does not want porn being filmed in California based on John's case or Max's case and many more. Those other recent in-state cases don't really bolster the argument, since they had other issues in play, from underaged girls to drugs and Max of course had to fly 3000 miles from the Chateau du max to go to Tampa to defend himself.

For what it is worth, individual adult industry attorneys will often tell their clients not to do many things that other industry companies actually do, even disagreeing with one another over what those things are. Remember the Cambria list? All you guys filming interracial better watch out! Just saying, what you describe as an obvious conclusion to single one state out as it it was unique doesn't make sense in light of the many other legal pitfalls that befall unfortunate companies in various places including CA itself. The bottom line is that everyone should be careful wherever they are located in the US and hope that they don't attract unwanted attention.

[TheSenator]

Rolling Stones is gonna be in trouble for this one.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

One could say just as easily say the State of California or the Federal Government itself does not want porn being filmed in California based on John's case or Max's case and many more. Those other recent in-state cases don't really bolster the argument, since they had other issues in play, from underaged girls to drugs and Max of course had to fly 3000 miles from the Chateau du max to go to Tampa to defend himself.

For what it is worth, individual adult industry attorneys will often tell their clients not to do many things that other industry companies actually do, even disagreeing with one another over what those things are. Remember the Cambria list? All you guys filming interracial better watch out! Just saying, what you describe as an obvious conclusion to single one state out as it it was unique doesn't make sense in light of the many other legal pitfalls that befall unfortunate companies in various places including CA itself. The bottom line is that everyone should be careful wherever they are located in the US and hope that they don't attract unwanted attention.

jim, porno dan is trying get rid of your competition for ya and you're arguing with him

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Now to help with your remark, it is not to pedo's ya fuck. They have already lost interest in those that are 15-16. Hell most loose interest in them when they hit 11-12 if not much earlier.

As a teen promoter myself, thanks for clarifying that.. too many people being warriors on here and calling anything that looks "young" is catering to pedos...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by sharphead

As a teen promoter myself, thanks for clarifying that.. too many people being warriors on here and calling anything that looks "young" is catering to pedos...

I promote "legal" teens as well, but I damn sure will not support these fuck offs that shoot NN underage girls. That shit is BS and it's why "we" as legal teen promoters always get lumped in with these scumbags.

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by crockett

I promote "legal" teens as well, but I damn sure will not support these fuck offs that shoot NN underage girls. That shit is BS and it's why "we" as legal teen promoters always get lumped in with these scumbags.

Preaching to the choir on that one.... i'm with you. It's a double edged sword for sure... we want to promote girls that are 18+ but look 16 and they promote girls that are underage and look 16... kinda fucked up.

Were both promoting the same thing in the surfers eyes.

[tranza]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Rolling Stones is gonna be in trouble for this one.

For sure man!

[NikKay]

You see underage girls in similar outfits/poses in Hollywood films/magazines/commercials. This is being targeted because it's a web-based operation not protected by a billion dollar industry. Period. Sure, it's distasteful to some... I find many Hollywood movies/magazines/commercials distasteful. But should it be illegal?

I remember a company called Playtoy Entertainment that did this same thing... but with girls aged 10 and under. There is clearly a distinction between taking these types of pictures of post-prepubescent girls versus taking them of prepubescent girls. But where is the line drawn and how do you write a law around it?

Interesting article: http://www.redherring.com/Home/19972

[CIVMatt]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I have been advised by my attorney not to shoot in the State of Florida. The reason I have brought this point up were because of the cases that recently happended. I am not being "chicken little". I am merely pointing out the obvious, that the State of Florida does not want porn being shot.

I have taken pictures of Dan's penis in Florida... we are all going to hell

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

One could say just as easily say the State of California or the Federal Government itself does not want porn being filmed in California based on John's case or Max's case and many more. Those other recent in-state cases don't really bolster the argument, since they had other issues in play, from underaged girls to drugs and Max of course had to fly 3000 miles from the Chateau du max to go to Tampa to defend himself.

For what it is worth, individual adult industry attorneys will often tell their clients not to do many things that other industry companies actually do, even disagreeing with one another over what those things are. Remember the Cambria list? All you guys filming interracial better watch out! Just saying, what you describe as an obvious conclusion to single one state out as it it was unique doesn't make sense in light of the many other legal pitfalls that befall unfortunate companies in various places including CA itself. The bottom line is that everyone should be careful wherever they are located in the US and hope that they don't attract unwanted attention.

I am in agreement with you that everyone in the adult industry should be careful. I know this is not something that most people want to hear, but it would almost be better to have a government review board than regulates adult video production than the system we have now.

What seperates Florida from California is that there have been two convictions there in the last month. Max was tired before in California and was found not guility.

[Kevsh]

When people like James get arrested it gives ammunition to all those that oppose the adult industry as a whole. I never saw his sites but if he was using <18 year olds or using models that appear underage, then I totally agree it was wrong, legally or not.

When people push the envelope to make a few bucks, everyone in adult suffers. There are hundreds of niches and ways to make a living in adult without creating controversy and/or inviting criminal prosecution. So I have no sympathy for someone like him who chose to push the limits.

And In my .02 the Florida law is a good thing, and I hope other states follow suit. There's absolutely no justified reason for pushing "teen" in a way that is obviously an attempt to make the girls look younger.