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[Labret] · 10-21-2002, 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Labret, gotta run,
how is tomorrow morning for you?

9 am Eastern?

is it good?

I cant guarantee anything, I am generally around, but I am night crew so I go to sleep betweem 6 am and noon est.

Serge_Oprano · 10-21-2002, 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth... ngers+crossed

11 pages of me defending my postions on Zionism.

Just so you can brush up first and see where I am coming from.

ok,
than we have a topic:
Zionism, Pro's and con's

do we agree on the format?

dacash · 10-21-2002, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

sure, sure, genios,
what's that?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...o_wdiv/1329692

please enlighten me what Chapter 11 BANCRUPCY proceeding is?

What don't you understand, Bancrupcy and filling for Bancrupcy protection is 2 diferent things....

When a company is in finacial difficulties, they are alowed to go to court, and try to proove to the court that they can turn things around and be able to pay their creditors. If the court agrees they will receive a time frame to turn things around, and the court will give them a period of time to do it. After that they will return to court at the specified date, and if the company is starting to show some changes for the better, the court will allow them more time. Until they are financily stable again.

So this Chapter 11 Bancrupcy thing is just a Paper that says to the creditors to hold on, so they don't go their and start repocessing some stuff.

my

Serge_Oprano · 10-21-2002, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I cant guarantee anything, I am generally around, but I am night crew so I go to sleep betweem 6 am and noon est.

I don't wanna empose on you at the end of your day,
what is the best time for you?

I'll try to accomodate, my schedule is more flexable

quiet · 10-21-2002, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by mika
[B]

I hear you and I hold my point that both Hitler and Nietzsche probably considered themselves superior to other people but had hard time facing the reality..

Mika, you're giving me a headache. so after all your 'i'm not comparing them' - you really were comparing them.

obviously.

and you have not read any Nietzsche.

okay

Serge_Oprano · 10-21-2002, 05:38 AM

What don't you understand, Bancrupcy and filling for Bancrupcy protection is 2 diferent things....
**************************************

sure, sure, spread brain cancer diagnosis and post mortem report are NOT the same....

[Labret] · 10-21-2002, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

ok,
than we have a topic:
Zionism, Pro's and con's

do we agree on the format?

I cant or never say that Zionism should not exist, anyone is free to be a nationalist. I just dont agree with the entire premise behind the existence of Israel.

The entire claim to the land is a 3000 year old story written by a bunch of maniacs, and 3000 years later they sit around and whine about persecution while their own history is nothing but the decimation of other cultures. They complain about terrorism yet their entire nation came about as a result of terrorism. Hypocrites and full of shit.

The early Israelits made the Nazis look like amateurs.

Have at it.

Serge_Oprano · 10-21-2002, 05:41 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I cant or never say that Zionism should not exist, anyone is free to be a nationalist. I just dont agree with the entire premise behind the existence of Israel.

The entire claim to the land is a 3000 year old story written by a bunch of maniacs, and 3000 years later they sit around and whine about persecution while their own history is nothing but the decimation of other cultures. They complain about terrorism yet their entire nation came about as a result of terrorism. Hypocrites and full of shit.

The early Israelits made the Nazis look like amateurs.

Have at it.

please define "early Israelities"

you talking about ones from 3000 years ago or circa 1947?

got to go, see you tomorrow

[Labret] · 10-21-2002, 05:41 AM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

I don't wanna empose on you at the end of your day,
what is the best time for you?

I'll try to accomodate, my schedule is more flexable

The beauty of a threaded message board is that I can go to lunch and come back and reply. I can sleep and the thread will still be here when I wake up. This isnt Netpond.

mika · 10-21-2002, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

Mika, you're giving me a headache. so after all your 'i'm not comparing them' - you really were comparing them.

obviously.

and you have not read any Nietzsche.

okay

Let's forget it you have not answered to any of my main points but you stick with this unenlightening comparison argument

10-21-2002, 05:46 AM

Serge, clarify this for me, would ya ? What's an Umbermench ?

quiet · 10-21-2002, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by mika

Let's forget it you have not answered to any of my main points but you stick with this unenlightening comparison argument

well, you have not said anything about Nietzsche except to compare him Hitler, and (by your own admission) you have not read any Nietzsche. i don't see anything to argue

10-21-2002, 05:50 AM

Let's start talking about Goethe.

ControlThy · 10-21-2002, 05:50 AM

Holding a discussion of substance on GFY?
That is rather funny, I gave up a while back as the only responses you will receive is responses with vulgar wording.

But good luck.

mika · 10-21-2002, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

well, you have not said anything about Nietzsche except to compare him Hitler, and (by your own admission) you have not read any Nietzsche. i don't see anything to argue

I said two points

(and by the way, I said I have read SOME Nietzsche)

How much do you have to read something in order to be able to start talking about that something? I bet I have read 3 or 4 books of Nietzsche which is probably more than 99.9% of the population

Anyways , the 2 points

1. Nietzsche thought he is superior to other people but had hard time facing the reality
2. Nietzsche has't contributed anything to the contemporary philosophy which is taught in most universities -> So he's not much of a PHILOSOPHER

Nietzsche is good for super egoitist people

ControlThy · 10-21-2002, 05:55 AM

Mika,

You should read and gather as much information as possible about a subject and if you feel it will be sufficient to defend your point in a discussion, than you are set. (ofcourse that does not guarantee someone else will not have more knowledge about the subject discussed....)

I just ordered Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time".
Anyone read it?

quiet · 10-21-2002, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by mika
Let's forget it you have not answered to any of my main points but you stick with this unenlightening comparison argument

also, i've got to say - that majority of our argument was that you were not neccesarily comparing them. after i showed that you were actuallycomparing the two (pretty obvious from the start) - you then question why i haven't refuted why they are (or are not) similar.

you must see this - i hope.

along with the complete admission that you know nothing of Nietzsche at all.

not anyway to argue imo.

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No. Honestly, I haven't read much Nietzze. I read some during my teens, read something that I thought was cool, back then.

clearly does not project a grasp of Nietzsche philosophy.

mika · 10-21-2002, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

after i showed that you were actually were comparing the two (pretty obviousl from the start) - you then question why i haven't refuted why they are (or are not) similar.

you must see this - i hope.

No. I listed them in the same sentence. That wasn't meant to compare the two.

The same way I say "quiet, Serge, and Labret post at GFY"

We can still discuss about quiet's posts individually. My intention was not the comparison between quíet, Serge and Labret, but rather the FACT that they do post there, which could lead to a more enlightening discussion

But to you it seems, that anytime two persons are mentioned in the same sentence, they become affiliated with each other and you couldn't talk about one without the other.

I cannot see why my statement made it impossible to talk about Nietzsche without talking about Hitler, too

mika · 10-21-2002, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

clearly does not project a grasp of Nietzsche philosophy.

Gotta love these late edits.

Anyway, I told you in one of the posts that I would be enlightened if you could correct me but you seem to be more interested in showing your cleverness and wit than correcting me, so we are both wasting our time

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by mika

No. I listed them in the same sentence. That wasn't meant to compare the two.

The same way I say "quiet, Serge, and Labret post at GFY"

We can still discuss about quiet's posts individually. My intention was not the comparison between quíet, Serge and Labret, but rather the FACT that they do post there, which could lead to a more enlightening discussion

But to you it seems, that anytime two persons are mentioned in the same sentence, they become affiliated with each other and you couldn't talk about one without the other.

I cannot see why my statement made it impossible to talk about Nietzsche without talking about Hitler, too

If you know nothing of Neitzsche (which is very obvious) don't debate Nietzsche.

Nietzsche has nothing to do with Hitler. they never met. Nietzsche hated the nazis. his sister took his writings and twisted them. Nietzsche was against anti-semitism. the more you post, the more stupid you look.

"It is an irony of history that Nietzsche's outspoken hatred of racism in genral, and anti-Semitism in particular, should have been so effectively suppressed by his greatest proponents - the Nazis."

- Laurence Gane and Kitty Chan.

good night.

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by mika

Gotta love these late edits.

Anyway, I told you in one of the posts that I would be enlightened if you could correct me but you seem to be more interested in showing your cleverness and wit than correcting me, so we are both wasting our time

you yap on and on. so, are you now admitting that you were comparing Hitler and Nietzsche. Yes or no.

we spent most of this thread debating this point.

and it seems i've won. pretty clear. yes or no?

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:20 AM

simple question. yes or no?

or would you rather keep avoiding it? especially when you've already said you weren't comparing them. then later admitted you were.

*shrug*

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:21 AM

i can pull up each quote if you like.

[Labret] · 10-21-2002, 06:23 AM

How is Hitler like Nietzsche? I can see how some aspects of national socialism would be able to accommodate some of what Nietzsche was trying to get across with will to power and overmen etc, but I think anyone could incorporate his ideas into any number of other belief systems.

Now we should compare Wagner to Hitler cause Hitler loved him.

mika · 10-21-2002, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

Nietzsche has nothing to do with Hitler. they never met. Nietzsche hated the nazis. his sister took his writings and twisted them. Nietzsche was against anti-semitism. the more you post, the more stupid you look.

You gotta love it when people get so provoked as you do. I knew from the beginning that connecting Hitler to Nietzsche is a common misconception. I knew that you like Nietzsche. What I didn't know was, whether you want to rather prove your cleverness and wit than correct people with their misconceptions. Now I got an answer to that question

Take it easy, try to get objective, browse back a page and see me saying:

"I hear you and I hold my point that both Hitler and Nietzsche probably considered themselves superior to other people but had hard time facing the reality..

This was the meaning of my original post. I would be enlightened if you can correct me, since that could change my beliefs about Hitler and Nietzsche. "

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Wagner to Hitler cause Hitler loved him

this is exactly my point.

Ted · 10-21-2002, 06:29 AM

I skipped from page one of this thread straight to page four and a discussion on bodyart turned into a discussion on hitler.

neat trick

Serge has used it a thousand times before

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by mika

You gotta love it when people get so provoked as you do. I knew from the beginning that connecting Hitler to Nietzsche is a common misconception. I knew that you like Nietzsche. What I didn't know was, whether you want to rather prove your cleverness and wit than correct people with their misconceptions. Now I got an answer to that question

Take it easy, try to get objective, browse back a page and see me saying:

"I hear you and I hold my point that both Hitler and Nietzsche probably considered themselves superior to other people but had hard time facing the reality..

This was the meaning of my original post. I would be enlightened if you can correct me, since that could change my beliefs about Hitler and Nietzsche. "

i don't think i'm provoked. this is gfy. you've lost each argument (if you can call them that) you put forth.

and you ignore most of my posts, only picking up on a few - but reading this, i understand you're probably just fucking with me. but i still love you

mika · 10-21-2002, 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Now we should compare Wagner to Hitler cause Hitler loved him.

I think you had to be spacedog in order to NOT to understand this point. And that was quiet's point. Maybe we're all bunch of spacedogs to him??

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:38 AM

had to bring back my old sig....

jimmyf · 10-21-2002, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
Mika,

You should read and gather as much information as possible about a subject and if you feel it will be sufficient to defend your point in a discussion, than you are set. (ofcourse that does not guarantee someone else will not have more knowledge about the subject discussed....)

I just ordered Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time".
Anyone read it?

Yip years ago. Just got it out and going to read it again. Kind of hard for this 5th grade drop out though.

quiet · 10-21-2002, 06:55 AM

sorry, but i just saw this:

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2. Nietzsche has't contributed anything to the contemporary philosophy which is taught in most universities -> So he's not much of a PHILOSOPHER

uh, have you heard of something called existentialism? post-modernism? cyber-philosophy?

i'm going into a masters (Phil) next fall. i'm truly blown away by your statement. i will be working on Nietzsche heavily - my professors must be crazy (like me). but i'm amazing by your Nietzsche knowledge. wow. no one studies that fool lol.

mika · 10-21-2002, 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
sorry, but i just saw this:

uh, have you heard of something called existentialism? post-modernism? cyber-philosophy?

i'm going into a masters (Phil) next fall. i'm truly blown away by your statement. i will be working on Nietzsche heavily - my professors must be crazy (like me). but i'm amazing by your Nietzsche knowledge. wow. no one studies that fool lol.

Yeah yeah Nietzsche is the Father and Creator of existentialism. For Christ's sake...don't hink so.. hehe

Good luck with your work, though
Remember my view that Nietzsche was just an egoitist

You may quote me freely in your paper

ControlThy · 10-21-2002, 07:11 AM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Yip years ago. Just got it out and going to read it again. Kind of hard for this 5th grade drop out though.

Actually there is a "simplified" version of his book, alot of people thought it was "heavy reading".

Its called "The Universe in a Nutshell".

ADL Colin · 10-21-2002, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by mika

How much do you have to read something in order to be able to start talking about that something?

NONE! :-)

quiet · 10-21-2002, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

NONE! :-)

lol

jimmyf · 10-21-2002, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

Actually there is a "simplified" version of his book, alot of people thought it was "heavy reading".

Its called "The Universe in a Nutshell".

I was fucking with you

10-21-2002, 06:20 AM	#172
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	simple question. yes or no? or would you rather keep avoiding it? especially when you've already said you weren't comparing them. then later admitted you were. shrug __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-21-2002, 06:21 AM	#173
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i can pull up each quote if you like. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-21-2002, 06:23 AM	#174
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	How is Hitler like Nietzsche? I can see how some aspects of national socialism would be able to accommodate some of what Nietzsche was trying to get across with will to power and overmen etc, but I think anyone could incorporate his ideas into any number of other belief systems. Now we should compare Wagner to Hitler cause Hitler loved him. Last edited by [Labret]; 10-21-2002 at 06:24 AM..

10-21-2002, 06:38 AM	#180
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	had to bring back my old sig.... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-21-2002, 05:38 AM	#156
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	What don't you understand, Bancrupcy and filling for Bancrupcy protection is 2 diferent things.... ************************************** sure, sure, spread brain cancer diagnosis and post mortem report are NOT the same....

10-21-2002, 05:46 AM	#161
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Serge, clarify this for me, would ya ? What's an Umbermench ?

10-21-2002, 05:50 AM	#163
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Let's start talking about Goethe.

10-21-2002, 05:50 AM	#164
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	Holding a discussion of substance on GFY? That is rather funny, I gave up a while back as the only responses you will receive is responses with vulgar wording. But good luck.

10-21-2002, 05:55 AM	#166
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	Mika, You should read and gather as much information as possible about a subject and if you feel it will be sufficient to defend your point in a discussion, than you are set. (ofcourse that does not guarantee someone else will not have more knowledge about the subject discussed....) I just ordered Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time". Anyone read it?

10-21-2002, 06:29 AM	#177
Ted Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 830	I skipped from page one of this thread straight to page four and a discussion on bodyart turned into a discussion on hitler. neat trick Serge has used it a thousand times before