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GatorB 06-25-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 14375230)
What does age really matter? Rape is rape... I don't think anyone should be showing mercy to any rapists regardless of the victims age.

Are you fucking stupid? Guys get thrown in jail for "rape" for having consensual sex with their girlfriends because they are underage.

That one kid on Georgia spent 2 years in prison because he was 17 and he let a 15 year old suck his dick. She WILLINGLY did it. This kid should have been executed? Hell he only got out because of all the public outrage and involvement by major polticians getting involved.

After Shock Media 06-25-2008 04:20 PM

I am pretty certain the McMartins back in the 80's would of ended well with such penalties.

ronaldo 06-25-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14375367)
This kid will in no way ever be able to recover in any capacity.

I don't know about that. Elizabeth Smart seems to be doing incredibly well. I can't imagine what a rape victim goes through, but I'm sure how well they recover has a great deal to do with the support they receive afterwards. Not that they'll ever forget, but that doesn't mean they can't go on and lead a normal life.

Spunky 06-25-2008 04:30 PM

Being ripped in half by two horses is more appropriate..scum of the earth

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376299)
Listen tard let me explain what's wrong with your post.

A) they don't use the chair anymroe anywhere dipshit. It's all lethal injection now.

B) it take 4 times the more per year to keep someone on death row that it does to put them in genral popualtion. In other words a guy on death row for 15 years uses up as much money as guy spending 60 years in regular prison. And no one lives for 60 years in prison.


im sorry... i dont follow execution procedures, but death is death... you wanna get technical, fuck you. you think child rapists should not be executed? Fuck you.

I piss more dignity then you'll ever have, tard.

Beaver Bob 06-25-2008 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376299)
B) it take 4 times the more per year to keep someone on death row that it does to put them in genral popualtion. In other words a guy on death row for 15 years uses up as much money as guy spending 60 years in regular prison. And no one lives for 60 years in prison.

then don't keep them alive in death row for 15 years. :2 cents:

once the sentence has handed down, execute within 30 days. problem solved.

After Shock Media 06-25-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 14376463)
then don't keep them alive in death row for 15 years. :2 cents:

once the sentence has handed down, execute within 30 days. problem solved.

30 days eh?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...scid=6&did=110

After Shock Media 06-25-2008 05:04 PM

Frank Lee Smith Florida Conviction: 1985, Charges Dismissed: 2000
Frank Lee Smith, who had been convicted of a 1985 rape and murder of an 8-year-old girl, and who died of cancer in January 2000 while still on death row, was cleared of these charges by DNA testing, according to an aide to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. After the trial, the chief eyewitness recanted her testimony. Nevertheless, Smith was scheduled for execution in 1990, but received a stay. Prosecutor Carolyn McCann was told by the FBI lab which conducted the DNA tests that: "He has been excluded. He didn't do it." Another man, who is currently in a psychiatric facility, is now the main suspect. (Washington Post, 12/15/00 (AP) and St. Petersburg Times (Florida) 12/15/00).

On another note, wouldn't more real child rapists (pedophiles) just end up killing all of their victims anyways if there already is a death penalty on the line?

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14376510)
On another note, wouldn't more real child rapists (pedophiles) just end up killing all of their victims anyways if there already is a death penalty on the line?

or maybe death would make them reconsider doing it in the first place.

After Shock Media 06-25-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376520)
or maybe death would make them reconsider doing it in the first place.

Um my guess would be no. They are sick, most can not controll their actions at all. If they had such will power odds are they would not be fucking children to begin with.

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14376530)
Um my guess would be no. They are sick, most can not controll their actions at all. If they had such will power odds are they would not be fucking children to begin with.

o okay, in that case, fuck it. lets just give em a fine.

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 14376463)
then don't keep them alive in death row for 15 years. :2 cents:

once the sentence has handed down, execute within 30 days. problem solved.

it doesn't work that way in REAL life you fucking retard. That what we are talking about REAL life not PRENTEND life. Hell in my state we just had a guy of natural causes at the age of 68 that had been on death row for 30 years. Not only did that equate to a 120 year sentence for a regular prisoner as far as cost it must of been nice him knowing he had a cell to himself, no wories about geting raped or shanked or even beat up. Must have been sweet.

I swear some of you here are ignorant. Yeah execute in 30 days. Real fucking smart. you know how many HUNDREDS of people are being released after spending YEARS or DECADES in prison for crimes, INCLUDING rape, that they did NOT commit.

grow up kid

After Shock Media 06-25-2008 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376535)
o okay, in that case, fuck it. lets just give em a fine.

Is your world really that black and white? Where in the hell do you even get the idea of just giving them a fine.

Lock them up, do not release with some very damn valid sex offender exceptions built in to protect some really stupid shit from going down as not all sex offenders are pedophiles.

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376520)
or maybe death would make them reconsider doing it in the first place.

If the death penalty was deterant there would not be any crime. Texas executes all the time. Still has more murders than most states. When someone is so fucked in the head they commit rape and/or murder they aren't even using logic so why would the death penalty be a thought in thier mind?

Like I said anyone who think life in prison is better than death is fucking retard of preposterous dimensions

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376544)
it doesn't work that way in REAL life you fucking retard. That what we are talking about REAL life not PRENTEND life. Hell in my state we just had a guy of natural causes at the age of 68 that had been on death row for 30 years. Not only did that equate to a 120 year sentence for a regular prisoner as far as cost it must of been nice him knowing he had a cell to himself, no wories about geting raped or shanked or even beat up. Must have been sweet.

I swear some of you here are ignorant. Yeah execute in 30 days. Real fucking smart. you know how many HUNDREDS of people are being released after spending YEARS or DECADES in prison for crimes, INCLUDING rape, that they did NOT commit.

grow up kid


you're a quick one to call names arnt you? your posts sound like a 15 year olds. I dont think you are very young tho. Could be wrong. Either way, nothing coming out of you in that manner will be remotely entertained.

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14376496)


hey that's how China, Iran and N Korea do it. We should emulate these countries.:thumbsup

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376569)
you're a quick one to call names arnt you? your posts sound like a 15 year olds. I dont think you are very young tho. Could be wrong. Either way, nothing coming out of you in that manner will be remotely entertained.

listen guy we are talking baout a serious topic and this turd comes up with insults and "once the sentence has handed down, execute within 30 days. problem solved.". Now unless he is actually retarded he should know it doesn't work that way nor should it.

Robbie 06-25-2008 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14374600)
Define "rape of a child" please.

Under what age do they consider the victim a child?

I find "children" and "minors" to be two different groups. A minor can be considered all people under the age of 18, but I consider them more 14, 15, 16 and 17 years old. A child to be is 13 and under. Pre-teen age.

I would be in favor of killing anyone who rapes someone under the age of 12 or 13, still a pre-teen.

You just hit on the reason that I am so glad they didn't pass that. Seems the government keeps changing the defintions of words. Remember when nuclear weapons became "weapons of mass destruction" and then they changed that defintion to mean chemical weapons too?
Or how about this: Pedo's used to mean someone who liked sex with small children. Now they apply it to guys who fuck a 16 year old! And they brand them for life as sex offenders!
Hell, I was watching the news during the Girls Gone Wild shit, and the "reporters" on Fox News were wondering out loud where the parents of the 18 year old "children" were and why they didn't control these 18 year old women better so they wouldn't be filmed like that.
Or how about Britney Spears? She's in her 20's. And if you put all the "crazy" shit she's ever done in her whole life together it probably wouldn't equal ONE night for Steven Tyler of Aerosmith in the mid-1970's. Yet the government gave her father complete control of all of her money and property and her very life!
It's all bullshit power grabs.
And if that had passed they would have just used whatever definition of "child" suited their purposes at any given time.
Did I mention I hate the fucking government?
I also watched that story today.
The guy that did it is a big 6'4", 250 pound black guy. He raped a little 8 year old black girl.
But that was then and this is now.
She is now in college. He's still in prison.
Sounds about right.
What he did is unfathomable to me. But the govt. proves over and over that they will rape every goddamn one of us if given the chance. So I'm glad they didn't let the death penalty be applicable for rape.

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14376551)
Is your world really that black and white? Where in the hell do you even get the idea of just giving them a fine.

Lock them up, do not release with some very damn valid sex offender exceptions built in to protect some really stupid shit from going down as not all sex offenders are pedophiles.

hey, at least you're not calling names when someone disagrees with you. thanks for that.

Examples. I believe people need to be made examples of.

Hope. Every criminal hopes not to get caught. I have to believe that hope grows greater with greater suggested punishment. Even in the minds of sick, sick people... theres something there, its not all empty. Make the sickos afraid. If you say they are so sick there is no fear... how do you discourage future incidents? Just give up? Say to ourselves "they are sick, fear or not, they will do it."?

I cant agree with that.

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376614)
listen guy we are talking baout a serious topic and this turd comes up with insults and "once the sentence has handed down, execute within 30 days. problem solved.". Now unless he is actually retarded he should know it doesn't work that way nor should it.

I dont recall insulting you whatsoever. As a matter of fact, i hadnt even quoted you in my first post in this thread when you posted this as a response...

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376299)
Listen tard let me explain what's wrong with your post.


you seem pretty opinionated about the topic. thats cool, i like people with passion for something. But people that are not in favor of your opinion are not necessarily retarded.

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376635)
hey, at least you're not calling names when someone disagrees with you. thanks for that.

Examples. I believe people need to be made examples of.

Hope. Every criminal hopes not to get caught. I have to believe that hope grows greater with greater suggested punishment. Even in the minds of sick, sick people... theres something there, its not all empty. Make the sickos afraid. If you say they are so sick there is no fear... how do you discourage future incidents? Just give up? Say to ourselves "they are sick, fear or not, they will do it."?

I cant agree with that.


You can not discourage murder or rape they have been going on forever. To think there is some magic potion that will stop it 100% or even close to 100% is naive. Of course you still punish the offenders. Some guy today in KY just shot up his fellow co-workers and the offed himself. Do you think he gave a rats ass about the death penalty before committing mass murder?

Mr Pheer 06-25-2008 05:43 PM

I think lethal injection is a joke.

Death penalty should be slow, painful, and brutal. Then it would truly be a deterrent to violent crimes. Right now its no big deal... just drift off peacefully to sleep. Our country and our society has become far too soft and PC these days.

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376672)
You can not discourage murder or rape they have been going on forever. To think there is some magic potion that will stop it 100% or even close to 100% is naive. Of course you still punish the offenders. Some guy today in KY just shot up his fellow co-workers and the offed himself. Do you think he gave a rats ass about the death penalty before committing mass murder?

100% is not realistic so no, i dont believe in a solution which will result in 100% success rate.

And no, the guy who shot his co-workers and then himself did not care about the death sentence. So... lets judge the rest of the worlds criminals by the same standards that this guy acted on? I dont agree.

Some give a shit, some dont. Lets get rid of that portion that DOES care about getting the death sentence by killing child rapists. I mean, like asm said... the worlds not black and white.

With death as a price to pay, you annihilate future rape of children from rapists who care about dying more then raping. Im not saying child rape wont happen any more, but you will get rid of the guys that will rape who DONT fear jail but DO fear death.

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376729)
With death as a price to pay, you annihilate future rape of children from rapists who care about dying more then raping. Im not saying child rape wont happen any more, but you will get rid of the guys that will rape who DONT fear jail but DO fear death.

and that portion you do intimidate from raping... however big or small it may be, is worth it. Its definitely worth it.

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376671)
I dont recall insulting you whatsoever. As a matter of fact, i hadnt even quoted you in my first post in this thread when you posted this as a response...


you seem pretty opinionated about the topic. thats cool, i like people with passion for something. But people that are not in favor of your opinion are not necessarily retarded.


You are a retard because your facts are totally incorrect therefor illgocial. So perhaps maybe I should have called you ignorant rather than retarded. Is that better.

Shall we go over this again

"in prison for life = my tax money feeding and housing a child rapist = Fuck you, no good"

First you complain about your tax $ being wasted keeping these guys alive when it's a PROVEN FACT that keeping them on death row is VASTLY more expensive. You can't call for LESS tax money to be spent on them then advocate they be housed in the most expensive way. That by definition is retarded. That would be like me going out and buying a Hummer then bitching about how much it costs me in gas ever week.

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in electric chair = death and thats that. i dont wanna pay to keep your rotten child raping ass alive. Die die die"
As you can read below no one will be electrocuted ever again unless they CHOOSE to be.

"Electrocution is currently an optional form of execution in the U.S. states of Alabama, Florida, South Carolina and Virginia, though allow the prisoner to choose lethal injection as an alternative method. In the states of Kentucky and Tennessee, the electric chair has been retired except for those whose capital crimes were committed prior to legislated dates in 1998 [Kentucky March 31, 1998, Tennessee December 31, 1998] and who choose electrocution. In both states, inmates who do not choose electrocution or inmates who committed their crimes after the designated date are put to death by lethal injection. The electric chair is an alternate form of execution approved for potential use in Illinois and Oklahoma if other forms of execution are found unconstitutional in the state at the time of execution. In Florida, the condemned may choose death by electrocution, but the default is lethal injection."

GatorB 06-25-2008 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376729)
With death as a price to pay, you annihilate future rape of children from rapists who care about dying more then raping. Im not saying child rape wont happen any more, but you will get rid of the guys that will rape who DONT fear jail but DO fear death.

Life without parole keep the rapist from raping kids. Also the odds of the rapist not only dying but dying in very painful manner which you seems to relish is MUCH more likely to happen if he is in fact sentenced to life. I'm 100% sure Jeffrey Dahmer would have much preferred lethal injection as his method of death over "steel rod to the face 100X"

qxm 06-25-2008 05:56 PM

OK ... this thread is abit too long to read in 2 mins but I gotta say, the right punishment for someone who rapes a child is not the death penalty... I agree ... but as I recall... the correct way to punish this people is to BUTT RAPE THEM WITH A BASEBALL BAT and make them feel like a helpless lil child... .. I think that a few months ago I read a story of a guy who did just that to a guy who raped his son ....

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14376752)
You are a retard because your facts are totally incorrect therefor illgocial.


i might as well post "i fucked your mother" since anything disagreeing with you gets the same response.

btw, boneprone fucked her too

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 06:08 PM

So we conclude... child rapists dont fear death and proper punishment should be left up to inmates and other criminals.

clap clap

sysk 06-25-2008 06:19 PM

just cut their dicks :D

GatorB 06-25-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376835)
So we conclude... child rapists dont fear death and proper punishment should be left up to inmates and other criminals.

clap clap

well most states use lethal injection. it's teh same way you put a beloved pet to sleep if he had cancer. Now what about that is going to strike fear into anyone? Seriously anyone here that says they'd choose life in prison over the seath penalty is stupid. Pure and simple. I'd fear getting stabbed more than I'd fear lethal injection.

Pics Traffic 06-25-2008 06:33 PM

They should have those guys wear some kind of a tag saying what they did, so everyone in jail can take turns at raping them with a broom.

GatorB 06-25-2008 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 14376712)
I think lethal injection is a joke.

Death penalty should be slow, painful, and brutal. Then it would truly be a deterrent to violent crimes. Right now its no big deal... just drift off peacefully to sleep. Our country and our society has become far too soft and PC these days.


Bullshit. they public hung people all teh time in the old west they also had more crime. Hmmmmm.

In the middle east and africa they fucking kill people in all sorts of brutal ways for "crimes" doesn't stop people from continuing to commit those crimes. You need to tweek that theory.

By the way who are you going to hire to perform these slow brutal acts? I'd have to question the mental stabily of someone that would volunteer for that job and enjoy it and peform it without hesitation. Would YOU do it? Of course not. You'd puss out.

tony286 06-25-2008 06:43 PM

I was listening to the news and one of the reasons they did give is a death penalty would cause. Many to never come forward considering a large number are family.

GetSCORECash 06-25-2008 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 14375143)
Death is the easy way out.

Life in jail, beatings, stabbings...mental break downs....for the rest of his life.

I agrea with what you are getting at, but can you quarantee that they will get a beatings, stabbings, or be raped by big fat guy over and over while they are in prison?

These child molesters are placed outside of the general population so that nothing happens to them. Allowing them to live and then letting them out for good behavior, so that they can go back to rapeing another kid... just isn't right.

SomeCreep 06-25-2008 07:08 PM

I think life in prison with no possibility of parole is worse than the death penalty. Especially if the man convicted is a child molestor. He will have to live his entire life in fear of being killed by other inmates.

HAPPYPEEKERS 06-25-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 14377068)
I think life in prison with no possibility of parole is worse than the death penalty. Especially if the man convicted is a child molestor. He will have to live his entire life in fear of being killed by other inmates.

I DO think they deserve life in prison with constant harrasment forever..

BUT.. I dont want to pay for it if there is 100% proof the person is a child rapist :2 cents:

SilentKnight 06-25-2008 08:15 PM

I agree with the judge - the death penalty is definitely not a proportional punishment for child rape.

Instead, put the bastard in with the prison general population and let nature take its course.

An eye-for-an-eye justice would then be served, sparing the taxpayers further expense.

XoXo Cash 06-25-2008 08:54 PM

i have always believed in "an eye for an eye"...but its simply unrealistic & will never happen.
the closest thing to it is the torture that continuously happens in the prisons, particularly to child molesters. this is common knowledge, and people in the general public are aware of what this entails...yet these consequences obviously aren't enough to keep these ppl from doing the sick things that they do. so where does it go from here if there is no fear??

SmokeyTheBear 06-25-2008 09:05 PM

I think many people are under some false impression that child rapists get tortured everyday from the other inmates. Truth is much of the time they are take to their own protected area where only other child rapists and snitches are, infact free from many of the hardships of prison life. Lots of the beatings and such happen pre-trial and i'm sure from time to time some of them have a shitty time , but certainly not "eye for an eye" type justice many people believe.


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