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Libertine 06-25-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GCN (Post 14374786)
rape is still rape, doesnt matter if it's 12, 13 or 15

And statutory "rape" is still statutory. A 19 year old who has sex with his willing 15 year old girlfriend would be considered a child rapist in the courts.

HAPPYPEEKERS 06-25-2008 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S. (Post 14374485)
I totally agree with the court. As I am not totally opposed to the death penalty in certain cases, the inflationary use of capital punishment in this country has to stop. Excessive use of capital punishment is the signature of dictatorships. It should be reserved for the most violent murderers.

I am not saying some rapists don't deserve it, but yet, what's next? Death penalty for site-owners that promote rape? I can name some programs in here that have banners on rape sites.

I am going to assume you dont have kids lol:helpme



or at least I hope the hell you dont!

pocketkangaroo 06-25-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14374814)
Thank your liberal court.

Those damn liberal courts that believe pornography is free speech. Damn them all! :mad:

pornguy 06-25-2008 11:19 AM

The ONLY problem that I have with the death penalty, is the number of people that are wrongly convicted.

Man they better be 1 gazillion percent correct.

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 14374899)
I am going to assume you dont have kids lol:helpme



or at least I hope the hell you dont!


I have. You think people who are against the nazification of the USA and only partially support the death penalty shouldn't have kids? If someone is against the death penalty for a certain offense it doesn't necessarily mean the person supports the offense, you know that, or are you just "smartassing".

C_U_Next_Tuesday 06-25-2008 11:32 AM

I believe the reason for this not becoming the law if the fine line that this area can cross over into.

For example.. an 18 year old boy who has sex with a willing 14 year old girl...and the parents call rape. Technical terms, since he is so many years older than the "victim" , it would be considered "child rape"..should we put that boy to death?...NO.

A young 14 year old in my town was left babysitting his neighbors 9 months old baby.. and 3 year old. The 14 year old anally raped the baby to the point he had to have alot of surgery and barely lived through it. They are trying to figure out if to try this boy as an adult or not. ...Ask yourself.. does this 14 year old deserve to die?... Consider the abuse the 14 year old had to go through to make him even think of doing such a thing to another... still think the 14 year old should die?

There are so many gray areas , its sad but true.

Any rape resulting in a death should have the death penalty...children especially.

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 11:45 AM

Now, with so many in here supporting the death penalty for child molesters, why not take an active role on a small scale in here, before we sent people on the gallows?After all, those who promote rape and child molestation are almost as bad as the rapists, don't you think?
We all can contribute. Let's do some needed self-censorship, and let's clean out the adult industry from scum bags who run ads on rape- and child molestation forums and tubes like this


hxxp://badpinkgirl.com/2769/Grandpa_gets_a_taste_of_a_young_granddaughter_best _friend.html


I propose:

1. Let's create a self commitment to be signed by every reputable webmaster in here, with a pledge that he/she won't support child exploitation and rape, neither actively nor passively with banners and affiliates, and that her/she won't do business with programs that support rape and molestation sites.

THIS MEANS: If big dating programs are found to be supporting it I won't do biz with them any more either.

2. Let's make a sub forum where web masters can post links to sites that promote real torture, rape, the "sick grandpa sneaks into 5th graders room..."-theme, so everybody can see and recognize the problem. Too many in here act as it wasn't there.

3. Let's send program owners, who bluntly display their affiliate banners on such sites, a warning, so they can't claim later they didn't know about it.

3. If they still refuse to take their banners down from such sites, let's ostracize them from the adult community, means, no reputable webmaster in here should do business with them, not even through affiliates.

What do ya all think about that? Anybody wanting to take an active role in fighting child rape? Or is it just talk about "how we should hang and torture child molesters" while we do business with them, at the same time.

Sly 06-25-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by borked (Post 14374768)
I'm not unhappy about the decision. I do not see that the crime, as terrible as it is, warrants death.

Castration, yes. Death no.

Remember, this is for 'rape of a child'. Sex with a young kid is rape nomatter what. But what happens if someone has consenting sex with a 17 yr old and the bitch turns the tables and claims rape. And for whatever reason, it gets upheld. This kind of situation has happened all over the world for consenting adults. Lots of cases where the guy is cleared after years in prison.

Death for rape was thrown out in the supreme court not so long ago for this reason. So why any different for minors? Just castrate all rapists and be done with it.

Castrate all pedos and put them on a lifetime regime of estrogen.

Many other ways to punish these kinds of crimes imo

The difference is a child, we will say 11 years old, is still developing mentally and physically while a 17-year-old is more mentally developed. A 17-year-old can defend themselves, somewhat, and is more likely to mentally recover than an 11-year-old.

GatorB 06-25-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14374628)
Just a quick question, what difference does it make what colour the inmate who killed him was?

Because most of Dahmer's victims were black.

C_U_Next_Tuesday 06-25-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S. (Post 14375058)
Now, with so many in here supporting the death penalty for child molesters, why not take an active role on a small scale in here, before we sent people on the gallows?After all, those who promote rape and child molestation are almost as bad as the rapists, don't you think?
We all can contribute. Let's do some needed self-censorship, and let's clean out the adult industry from scum bags who run ads on rape- and child molestation forums and tubes like this


hxxp://badpinkgirl.com/2769/Grandpa_gets_a_taste_of_a_young_granddaughter_best _friend.html


I propose:

1. Let's create a self commitment to be signed by every reputable webmaster in here, with a pledge that he/she won't support child exploitation and rape, neither actively nor passively with banners and affiliates, and that her/she won't do business with programs that support rape and molestation sites.

THIS MEANS: If big dating programs are found to be supporting it I won't do biz with them any more either.

2. Let's make a sub forum where web masters can post links to sites that promote real torture, rape, the "sick grandpa sneaks into 5th graders room..."-theme, so everybody can see and recognize the problem. Too many in here act as it wasn't there.

3. Let's send program owners, who bluntly display their affiliate banners on such sites, a warning, so they can't claim later they didn't know about it.

3. If they still refuse to take their banners down from such sites, let's ostracize them from the adult community, means, no reputable webmaster in here should do business with them, not even through affiliates.

What do ya all think about that? Anybody wanting to take an active role in fighting child rape? Or is it just talk about "how we should hang and torture child molesters" while we do business with them, at the same time.


These hot air faggots wont do anything.. most can only spew stupid bullshit
from their computer chair .

There is a huge support for Maxhardcore on this site if that says where some of these dicksucks stand.

Tom_PM 06-25-2008 11:58 AM

I dunno man, I've met some of the 15-18 year old kids in my neighborhood, and I think I could have outwitted them when I was 11 very easily..

GatorB 06-25-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14374814)
Thank your liberal court.

7 of the 9 justices were nominated by REPUBLICANS.

Serious dipshit like sticking a needle in their arm is going to do anything. Most will die of old age before getting put to death and at 4X the cost. Let the general popualtion beat the fuck out of them rape them and kill them. And then we can execute those guys for murder. 2 birds one stone. Think outside the box dude.

TheSenator 06-25-2008 12:01 PM

Death is the easy way out.

Life in jail, beatings, stabbings...mental break downs....for the rest of his life.

GatorB 06-25-2008 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger (Post 14374870)
Death is too easy.

Life in prison is a much worse fate for a child molester. Maybe a better idea would be that everyone in prison has to wear a sign saying what they were convicted of.

Yeah I don't get all these pro-death people that think life is easier than death. Personally If I had to choose I choose death. Either way I'm not getting out unless I'm in a box so why live another 40-50 years without freedom? Why live 50 years in a cell the size of walk-in closet if that. Why live for 50 year always in fear of rape, beatings or getting stabbed. If I'm going to die in prison I'd rather have a needle in my arm than to get shanked.

Ayla_SquareTurtle 06-25-2008 12:04 PM

I would be for the death penalty for all actual rapists (not the 18 year old who had sex with his 15 year old girlfriend) if I trusted the US court system to accurately determine who is and isn't a rapist. Overall they tend to not do a very good job with that, though.

stev0 06-25-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14374600)
Define "rape of a child" please.

Under what age do they consider the victim a child?

I find "children" and "minors" to be two different groups. A minor can be considered all people under the age of 18, but I consider them more 14, 15, 16 and 17 years old. A child to be is 13 and under. Pre-teen age.

I would be in favor of killing anyone who rapes someone under the age of 12 or 13, still a pre-teen.

What does age really matter? Rape is rape... I don't think anyone should be showing mercy to any rapists regardless of the victims age.

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday (Post 14375131)
These hot air faggots wont do anything.. most can only spew stupid bullshit
from their computer chair .

There is a huge support for Maxhardcore on this site if that says where some of these dicksucks stand.

I am amazed. Yea, let's hang all child rapists, as long as we can still do biz with those who clearly promote child rape on the internet.

Fuck it! Talk smack and bag the cash.

Disgusting.

DWB 06-25-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 14375230)
What does age really matter? Rape is rape... I don't think anyone should be showing mercy to any rapists regardless of the victims age.

Again, you can't just kill rapists. If that were the case, there would be a LOT of dead 18 year old guys who got caught banging their 17 year old girlfriends.

borked 06-25-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 14375101)
The difference is a child, we will say 11 years old, is still developing mentally and physically while a 17-year-old is more mentally developed. A 17-year-old can defend themselves, somewhat, and is more likely to mentally recover than an 11-year-old.

exactly my point - the proposed law would have covered the 4, 11 and 17 year old equally. :warning

/edit, unless the law for consenting sex in the US is 16 - no idea

Deej 06-25-2008 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday (Post 14374992)
I believe the reason for this not becoming the law if the fine line that this area can cross over into.

For example.. an 18 year old boy who has sex with a willing 14 year old girl...and the parents call rape. Technical terms, since he is so many years older than the "victim" , it would be considered "child rape"..should we put that boy to death?...NO.

A young 14 year old in my town was left babysitting his neighbors 9 months old baby.. and 3 year old. The 14 year old anally raped the baby to the point he had to have alot of surgery and barely lived through it. They are trying to figure out if to try this boy as an adult or not. ...Ask yourself.. does this 14 year old deserve to die?... Consider the abuse the 14 year old had to go through to make him even think of doing such a thing to another... still think the 14 year old should die?

There are so many gray areas , its sad but true.

Any rape resulting in a death should have the death penalty...children especially.

so what, the kid is bad goods, kill him...

in that case, yes, shoot the little fucker in the head. quick, easy, 50cents for a shell.

its too late for him.

I love the fact that i was born into the time and country that i was. for most parts of it i am thankful, BUT, i do feel we as a country are far too easy on some convicts.

THeres a reason why some dictatorships have their people in order. They are afriad to commit such offenses.

That kid there, yes he has issues that are most likely brought on by his parents or uncle or whoever raping him... they should ALSO be shot.

the only flaw with my thinking is how would we go through and make sure all the proper penalties were inflicted according to the offense at hand.

50% of the people that are guilty in prison deserve to die. period...

the country and world as a whole would be a lot better off...

this WOULD deter quite a bit of crime

it WOULD deter feeding criminals better food than what others that deservedly need, for life!!

it would deter perpetuating these behaviors

sure, my outlook has a couple flaws... but they only need refined...

im against dictatorship... BUT, when it comes to max criminals... i think its time for their rights to be abolished...

perhaps an island :winkwink:

_Richard_ 06-25-2008 12:38 PM

this is what judges are for..

HAPPYPEEKERS 06-25-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S. (Post 14374937)
I have. You think people who are against the nazification of the USA and only partially support the death penalty shouldn't have kids? If someone is against the death penalty for a certain offense it doesn't necessarily mean the person supports the offense, you know that, or are you just "smartassing".

Ok Ms. Jenny,


Lets say you have a very young boy or girl and they are violently raped up the ass by a grown man

A child rapist is not into just raping / molesting 1 child .. they do it through out their lives, as much as they can get away with it.

They are attracted to fucking little kids

what do you personally think the punishment should be ???

:helpme

ps.. and yes you are right.. i am a smartass when it comes to raping children:Oh crap

HAPPYPEEKERS 06-25-2008 12:44 PM

double post :-)

BradM 06-25-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14374499)
Death is too good for them. They make it so sanitary and painless. Therefore, it's not proportionate.

To be proportionate, they should be made to suffer for a very long time.

An eye for an eye. But not much can compare to destroying the life of a child. This kid will in no way ever be able to recover in any capacity.

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 14375348)
Ok Ms. Jenny,


Lets say you have a very young boy or girl and they are violently raped up the ass by a grown man

A child rapist is not into just raping / molesting 1 child .. they do it through out their lives, as much as they can get away with it.

They are attracted to fucking little kids

what do you personally think the punishment should be ???

:helpme

ps.. and yes you are right.. i am a smartass when it comes to raping children:Oh crap


I did have boys and girls, which are now grown, and I probably would have shot anybody who would have attempted to rape them. That would have been and understandable reaction of a mother, but it shouldn't be basis for creating laws. The death penalty is not the solution for solving the child molestation problem in this country.

Fact is, only 25% of child molestation and rape is committed by outsiders. So who are the other 75%? Family, neighbors, friends, etc. right? Only a small percentage of these cases ever end up in court, so it's a primarily hypothetical question if we'd kill child molesters.

Tough laws haven't solved the problem so far, and the death penalty won't either. Also, too many have gotten life in this country, and had to be released after 20 years in prison, because they were found innocent. Can't do that with the death penalty.


What about my suggestion?

Let's start in here, right now and oust and ostracize those who support child molestation on the Internet. This is where it starts. People who run rape blogs, even if it's only fictional, should be ostracized, and those who sponsor them through their programs should be too. May be it helps if we educate about it, and show everybody that we will not accept it?


Anybody with me?

Tom_PM 06-25-2008 01:27 PM

I know nobody needs a pact or agreement to report any criminal images or content they find online. I've done it before and I'll certainly do it again if I happen to come across anything.

There is no business in the world with a more compelling reason to get all sick fucks out of here. With media lumping ALL "porn" together whether it's legal or not (pisses me right the fuck off), it's doubly important to be vigilant and proactive in getting the sicko's put in prison.

It's just a given. So really when you ask is anybody with me, I think thats a given too. If some banner is on some site that clearly violates TOS or law, just report it to the program (and legal if it's seriously sick).

payd2purv 06-25-2008 01:33 PM

With how fucked up the legal system is the death penalty should not exist.

We end up murdering innocent people.

If the person has been convicted of the crime more than once than it's a given you got the right person so I think than you could give them the death penalty..

I say if you kill a convicted pedophile you should be given a pardon for it tho :P

Sly 06-25-2008 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenny S. (Post 14375412)
I did have boys and girls, which are now grown, and I probably would have shot anybody who would have attempted to rape them. That would have been and understandable reaction of a mother, but it shouldn't be basis for creating laws. The death penalty is not the solution for solving the child molestation problem in this country.

Fact is, only 25% of child molestation and rape is committed by outsiders. So who are the other 75%? Family, neighbors, friends, etc. right? Only a small percentage of these cases ever end up in court, so it's a primarily hypothetical question if we'd kill child molesters.

Tough laws haven't solved the problem so far, and the death penalty won't either. Also, too many have gotten life in this country, and had to be released after 20 years in prison, because they were found innocent. Can't do that with the death penalty.


What about my suggestion?

Let's start in here, right now and oust and ostracize those who support child molestation on the Internet. This is where it starts. People who run rape blogs, even if it's only fictional, should be ostracized, and those who sponsor them through their programs should be too. May be it helps if we educate about it, and show everybody that we will not accept it?


Anybody with me?

Your request to go after the Internet community still does not address what should be done with these people.

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14375545)
I know nobody needs a pact or agreement to report any criminal images or content they find online. I've done it before and I'll certainly do it again if I happen to come across anything.

There is no business in the world with a more compelling reason to get all sick fucks out of here. With media lumping ALL "porn" together whether it's legal or not (pisses me right the fuck off), it's doubly important to be vigilant and proactive in getting the sicko's put in prison.

It's just a given. So really when you ask is anybody with me, I think thats a given too. If some banner is on some site that clearly violates TOS or law, just report it to the program (and legal if it's seriously sick).

I think we do need an agreement. Badly. Not just to get rid of this shit on the Internet, also to make a point and let everybody know that thee is a conscience, even in the porn industry. Reporting? Where? These sites are often run from abroad.


Fact is, in the past 12 months a shitload of tube and share site promoting rape, KP, torture and other sick stuff have popped up. These sites can only survive because major sponsors have their banners on there. No billing company in the world would ever directly accept such scum bags as customers.

This means: Have programs remove their banners from those sites and the sites will go away.

It's in our hands. We can do something RIGHT NOW. If we don't have an agreement there will always be fly-y-nighters- who'll profit. Only if the asswipes know that they'll be shunned they'll drop it.

So don't leave it up to the feds, do something now.

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 14375586)
Your request to go after the Internet community still does not address what should be done with these people.


I don't want to go after the internet community, I just with there was a consensus about where to draw the line.

What should be done with criminal rapists is to sentence them and lock them away.

Capital punishment is not the right way, because the borderline between rape and consensual sex is often not clearly defined. There were cases where 14 year old girls accused their stepfather of rape, and the guy went in, only to find out later that he was innocent. You can only support the death penalty for child rape if you believe in the 100% correctness of our legal system.

Death penalty for serial killers (like Dahmer, Gien, Bundy, etc.): yes. But that's about how far I'd go with it.

madfuck 06-25-2008 01:49 PM

bump this shit!!!!!

Beaver Bob 06-25-2008 01:50 PM

if you rape a child, you should die. no questions asked.

Tom_PM 06-25-2008 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S. (Post 14375600)
I think we do need an agreement. Badly. Not just to get rid of this shit on the Internet, also to make a point and let everybody know that thee is a conscience, even in the porn industry. Reporting? Where? These sites are often run from abroad.


Fact is, in the past 12 months a shitload of tube and share site promoting rape, KP, torture and other sick stuff have popped up. These sites can only survive because major sponsors have their banners on there. No billing company in the world would ever directly accept such scum bags as customers.

This means: Have programs remove their banners from those sites and the sites will go away.

It's in our hands. We can do something RIGHT NOW. If we don't have an agreement there will always be fly-y-nighters- who'll profit. Only if the asswipes know that they'll be shunned they'll drop it.

So don't leave it up to the feds, do something now.

Report it to the sponsor program. Check out the terms of service on a program who's banner you see on such a site, email them and send the link and how it violates their terms. People report things every day. And programs dont automagically know that an affiliate is sending traffic from a horrible website unless it comes to their attention. One email is all it's going to take to review the site and take appropriate action.

FelixFlow 06-25-2008 01:55 PM

if they knew they could get the death penalty if the child were to tell on them, it would encourage child-rapists to murder their victims


THAT is why it didn't pass

Rochard 06-25-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14374466)
dude is in prison, he isn't getting out and will most likely to be killed in prison by another inmate than die of old age. You want him put to sleep like you would do to a beloved pet that has cancer. I think getting shanked in the throat is more appropriate but we'll agree to disagree.

I agree. Killing him is an easy way out. Put him in prison for the rest of his life, let him get gang raped every day - they love his kind is prison! - and then let him get killed without warning with a shank in a nice violent way.

CyberHustler 06-25-2008 02:19 PM

"Thou shall not kill" - your God said it, not me...

Jenny S. 06-25-2008 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14375651)
Report it to the sponsor program. Check out the terms of service on a program who's banner you see on such a site, email them and send the link and how it violates their terms. People report things every day. And programs dont automagically know that an affiliate is sending traffic from a horrible website unless it comes to their attention. One email is all it's going to take to review the site and take appropriate action.


You gotta believe in Santa if you think that the big sponsors with emplyoees and staff don't know where their banners are.

Anyway, I give you the benefit of the doubt. Tonight I will email a sponsor whose banner appears on a board whith topics like:

"War Rape"
"Cunts to rape and abuse. Be as brutal as you want"
"Mother and daughter rape"

I will take screenshots and notify him. I am not going to say which one right now, just in case they read this. In a couple of days I'll get back and report how it worked.

If it doesn't work, would that convince you to do something?

I'm Looking For A... 06-25-2008 03:28 PM

first off, i agree... death penalty is not proportional, these assholes need to be skinned alive and pissed on BEFORE they are fried on the chair.

Second...

in prison for life = my tax money feeding and housing a child rapist = Fuck you, no good

in electric chair = death and thats that. i dont wanna pay to keep your rotten child raping ass alive. Die die die

That concludes my feelings.

After Shock Media 06-25-2008 03:32 PM

Death penalty and the court system as a whole is still very flawed and like it or not to damn many innocent people get sentenced still. Until that is fixed and justice becomes not only equal for all and not just those with good attorneys, but one that can guarantee with 100% accuracy that no innocent person could be put to death for something that they did not do.

GatorB 06-25-2008 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I'm Looking For A... (Post 14376132)
first off, i agree... death penalty is not proportional, these assholes need to be skinned alive and pissed on BEFORE they are fried on the chair.

Second...

in prison for life = my tax money feeding and housing a child rapist = Fuck you, no good

in electric chair = death and thats that. i dont wanna pay to keep your rotten child raping ass alive. Die die die

That concludes my feelings.

Listen tard let me explain what's wrong with your post.

A) they don't use the chair anymroe anywhere dipshit. It's all lethal injection now.

B) it take 4 times the more per year to keep someone on death row that it does to put them in genral popualtion. In other words a guy on death row for 15 years uses up as much money as guy spending 60 years in regular prison. And no one lives for 60 years in prison.


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