North Korea Says It Has a Program on Nuclear Arms

[Juge]

North Korea Says It Has a Program on Nuclear Arms

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/17/in...ner=ALTAVISTA1

"Confronted by new American intelligence, North Korea has admitted that it has been conducting a major clandestine nuclear-weapons development program for the past several years, the Bush administration said tonight. Officials added that North Korea had also informed them that it has now "nullified" its 1994 agreement with the United States to freeze all nuclear weapons development activity."

[Massivecock]

USA Gave North Korea 2 Nuclear Reactors that you need to make Nuclear Warheads!!!!

Shouldnt be a suprise to Usa that they have nukes!

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Under a 1994 treaty with America, Pyongyang froze its nuclear arms program in exchange for (receiving two nuclear energy reactors.) Is there any evidence that North Korea is keeping its end of the bargain?

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This makes no sense.
- Stop your nuclear arms program.
( Well they never had a nuclear arms program, because you need nuclear energy reactors to make them in the first place!! )
- If you Stop your nuclear arms program. We will give you two nuclear energy reactors.

Tell me folks... Does that make any sense at all?
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Usa is Great at manufacturing its own enemys!
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http://abc.net.au/ra/asiapac/programs/s498066.htm

[Jon]

i think its safe to say that now is a good time to move outta the usa..

[rdunn404]

Ok so now does this mean that Bush has enough 'evidence' to want to go to war with Korea too, or is this going to look really hypocritical?

[eru]

Nuke the gooks*


<font size=-2>I am only referring to the Korean people who hold power in North Korea. I am not referring to any North Korean peasant or any South Korean for that matter.</font>

[Alky]

north korea is stupid enough to launch a nuke at us too.

[kmanrox]

china has nuke capabilities, correct?

[ControlThy]

Crap, now you Americans have 2 countries with nukes aimed at you. (perhaps even more).

[DJRCyberAVS]

Didn't Nostrodamus (if I can spell his name) say that the fire would come from the east.... along with the third anti-christ called Mabus or something....

Wouldn't surprise me now if good ol' George will now change his target and pick a fight with N Korea... and why not, according to the polls he doesn't have the people backing him for Iraq.

Just how realistic is it that North Korea has any bad intentions at all?

[ControlThy]

There are rumors that North-Korea does not have nuclear weapons but is merely using the recent comments regarding its possible nuclear capability to extract funds from the US.

[SleazyDream]

no one is going to launch a nuke at the USA - spy satelites are scaning the coasts very closly for radioactive material. What they might do is set one off in antarctia. It isn't watched as closly. If you do that and melt a substaintial portion of ice caps there you could raise the world's oceans a few feet and destroy about 40% of all costal property - something like 60% of the US population lives at above 15 feet sea level. and not just the USA - europe, japan, austraila, etc.

MOST first world nations would be devestated. And high altitude nations like afganistan wouldn't be effected.

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by DJRCyberAVS

Wouldn't surprise me now if good ol' George will now change his target and pick a fight with N Korea... and why not, according to the polls he doesn't have the people backing him for Iraq.

Bush needs to pick one. North-Korea OR Iraq.
Analysts say that the US will be unable to handle two wars at the moment, though it is possible - it would ask too much of the financial and miltary resources.

[Rochard]

Your melting of the ice cap theory doens't have much merit. Most of Korea has coastline. Iraq wouldn't be able to do that for the same reason.

Even the terrorists wouldn't do it - It would destroy entire countries, including countries they claim they are trying to protect.

Only a mad man would do that.

The US gave them 2 Nuclear Reactors so they can provide power and heat to their country - Not make nuclear bombs.

Take them out.

[coolj]

I came here to learn about starting up my web site, and I read about Visa and North Korea instead. Someone please hold me or help me build a fantasy world which I can comfortably live in indefinately without worrying about the real-world and all its insanity. Oh wait, surfing online porn may fit that bill.

[Juge]

Originally posted by DJRCyberAVS
Didn't Nostrodamus (if I can spell his name) say that the fire would come from the east.... along with the third anti-christ called Mabus or something....

Wouldn't surprise me now if good ol' George will now change his target and pick a fight with N Korea... and why not, according to the polls he doesn't have the people backing him for Iraq.

Just how realistic is it that North Korea has any bad intentions at all?

Nostradamus' predictions are so vague that they could mean anything. The one you mention was one everyone thought would happen during the 2000 switch, because of Y2K. Eventually something will happen that will be close enough to fit it, and everyone will be happen that he predicted it so many years ago.

[Juge]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
no one is going to launch a nuke at the USA - spy satelites are scaning the coasts very closly for radioactive material. What they might do is set one off in antarctia. It isn't watched as closly. If you do that and melt a substaintial portion of ice caps there you could raise the world's oceans a few feet and destroy about 40% of all costal property - something like 60% of the US population lives at above 15 feet sea level. and not just the USA - europe, japan, austraila, etc.

MOST first world nations would be devestated. And high altitude nations like afganistan wouldn't be effected.

Also, with the sensitive earthquake measuring equipment, we would know if they are doing any underground testing.

[hjnet]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
no one is going to launch a nuke at the USA - spy satelites are scaning the coasts very closly for radioactive material. What they might do is set one off in antarctia. It isn't watched as closly. If you do that and melt a substaintial portion of ice caps there you could raise the world's oceans a few feet and destroy about 40% of all costal property - something like 60% of the US population lives at above 15 feet sea level. and not just the USA - europe, japan, austraila, etc.

MOST first world nations would be devestated. And high altitude nations like afganistan wouldn't be effected.

Melting polar ice caps with nukes??

[.:Frog:.]

Originally posted by kmanrox
china has nuke capabilities, correct?

Yes, they are capable of hitting the US with nukes. However they don't have very many that can reach the US from China.

China has chemical & biological weapons as well, but those are easy to make. Building a missle to carry the nuke/chemial/bio weapon around the world is the hard part.

If N.Korea has built a nuke, it doesn't mean they could launch it and reach the US.

[.:Frog:.]

At one point in time, only 5 countries were supposed to own nukes:
USA, England, France, Russia, China
That plan went to hell.

[jas1552]

Guess which administration gave North Korea the nuclear reactors.

[Mr.Fiction]

Einstein said that every country will eventually have nuclear weapons.

Anyone who doubts that is fucking stupid.

Bush's "plan" of pissing off the world in a feeble attempt to delay a couple of people from getting nukes will ultimately fail. In fact, it may just make more enemies, most of which will ultimately have nukes themselves.

Some of our own allies (along with China probably) are the ones helping North Korea work on nukes. If China decides that North Korea, or any country, should have nukes, there is nothing the U.S. can do. Nothing.

If you look at the reality of a world where everyone has nukes, then you need to figure out how you can exist in such a world. The Soviet Union and the United States were enemies for many years, and they both had nukes, and yet not one was used other than during the second world war.

Time to face the truth and figure out what to do about it. If not for your generation, then for your kids or grandkids.

[.:Frog:.]

I agree Mr. Fiction, most countries see N.Korea making nukes and they don't care. They have no problem with N. Korea, and N.Korea has no problem with them. But Bush makes his threats and whatnot, and suddenly America has another ememy.

Basically America has problems because they make enemies. Most countries don't look for trouble, and they don't receive any trouble either.

[darksoft]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
What they might do is set one off in antarctia. It isn't watched as closly. If you do that and melt a substaintial portion of ice caps there you could raise the world's oceans a few feet and destroy about 40% of all costal property - something like 60% of the US population lives at above 15 feet sea level. and not just the USA - europe, japan, austraila, etc.

Melting the ice up North will do absolutely nothing to the current level of the world's oceans. The ice is already in the water, and the displacement of the water by the ice is replaced by the water from the ice when it is melted.

Melting the ice at the South Pole, however, is another story.

[candidpublishinginc]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
I agree Mr. Fiction, most countries see N.Korea making nukes and they don't care. They have no problem with N. Korea, and N.Korea has no problem with them. But Bush makes his threats and whatnot, and suddenly America has another ememy.

Basically America has problems because they make enemies. Most countries don't look for trouble, and they don't receive any trouble either.

North Korea is run by a bunch of ultra hardcore communists who are happily starving their people so they could make 1 or 2 nukes.

I am not pleased that we gave them any sort of economic aid so they could "stop" their nuclear program. N. Korea has shown that they will lie their asses off.

We should have never given them any sort of aid in the first place and let things run their course unless they started to bully South Korea.

[dickblast]

but but but

he asked for madeline albright's email address! he wanted 2 write her! he cant be all bad

[theking]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
I agree Mr. Fiction, most countries see N.Korea making nukes and they don't care. They have no problem with N. Korea, and N.Korea has no problem with them. But Bush makes his threats and whatnot, and suddenly America has another ememy.

Basically America has problems because they make enemies. Most countries don't look for trouble, and they don't receive any trouble either.

Bush did not make an enemy out of North Korea.

North Korea is and has been a threat to South Korea since the end of armed conflict in 1953. There is only a cease fire in effect (a truce). We have an alliance with South Korea and have our troops placed in forward positions so that any attack by the North on the South will in fact be an attack upon the US.

By the way the last computer model run by the Army that I was aware of, when I was on active duty (been 10 years ago), the North would once again initially overun the South including our forward positioned forces. There has not been any change in our military stance, over the last 10 years, that I am aware of, that would change this scenario. If one wonders why our troops are forward positioned instead of in a supporting role for the ROK forces, it is so the United States can legitimately claim that US forces have been attacked and respond with whatever force is deemed necessary.

[theking]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Einstein said that every country will eventually have nuclear weapons.

Anyone who doubts that is fucking stupid.

Bush's "plan" of pissing off the world in a feeble attempt to delay a couple of people from getting nukes will ultimately fail. In fact, it may just make more enemies, most of which will ultimately have nukes themselves.

Some of our own allies (along with China probably) are the ones helping North Korea work on nukes. If China decides that North Korea, or any country, should have nukes, there is nothing the U.S. can do. Nothing.

If you look at the reality of a world where everyone has nukes, then you need to figure out how you can exist in such a world. The Soviet Union and the United States were enemies for many years, and they both had nukes, and yet not one was used other than during the second world war.

Time to face the truth and figure out what to do about it. If not for your generation, then for your kids or grandkids.

"Einstein said that every country will eventually have nuclear weapons." Provide a source please?

"If China decides that North Korea, or any country, should have nukes, there is nothing the U.S. can do. Nothing." Wrong, many things can be done and would be done.

[Manga1]

Every country wants to have nukes because it ensures their diplomatic independence. This is why the US will not have direct confrontations with countries like Russia or China. Instead they have indirect conflicts through non-nuclear countries. If Iraq had nukes right now the US would think twice about invading.

[theking]

Originally posted by Manga1
Every country wants to have nukes because it ensures their diplomatic independence. This is why the US will not have direct confrontations with countries like Russia or China. Instead they have indirect conflicts through non-nuclear countries. If Iraq had nukes right now the US would think twice about invading.

That is, of course, one of the primary reasons to invade, before he can obtain the nukes that he is seeking to aquire.

[Yassi]

Who gives a fuck about North Korea anyway

[theking]

Originally posted by Yassi
Who gives a fuck about North Korea anyway

North Koreans?

[candidpublishinginc]

South Koreans maybe? South Korea from an economic standpoint is pretty important.

[Juge]

Originally posted by Manga1
Every country wants to have nukes because it ensures their diplomatic independence. This is why the US will not have direct confrontations with countries like Russia or China. Instead they have indirect conflicts through non-nuclear countries. If Iraq had nukes right now the US would think twice about invading.

Yes, for sure. You have to think about the stupidity of the other country, as well. They may or may not realize the consequences of their own actions.

[Dom]

Originally posted by Massivecock
USA Gave North Korea 2 Nuclear Reactors that you need to make Nuclear Warheads!!!!

Shouldnt be a suprise to Usa that they have nukes!

Massive Cock, you are a freak paranoid mongoloid

[theking]

Originally posted by Dom



Massive Cock, you are a freak paranoid mongoloid

Can you prove that his statement is wrong?

[.:Frog:.]

Originally posted by Manga1
Every country wants to have nukes because it ensures their diplomatic independence. This is why the US will not have direct confrontations with countries like Russia or China. Instead they have indirect conflicts through non-nuclear countries. If Iraq had nukes right now the US would think twice about invading.

Have you ever met a guy who has no problems picking a fight with someone half his size, but is scared to fight anyone close to his own size? And what do you think of such a person?

[Juge]

Nuclear war is a bit more extreme that a normal war. It could mean the end of civilization for the countries at war. Decisions are a bit more delicate. Take a look at the cuban missile crisis - there's a movie made about it called '13 Days'. It's a pretty amazing story.

[<IMX>]

Juge--
Exactly, it is absolutely amazing we did not blow-up the world by sheer ignorance and miscommunication. Anyone who thinks other wise should look at how far each side was willing to go to avert war; yet, how many blunders were made.

China has had atomic capability since 1969 I believe. I do not know if they have thermonuclear capability. I do not know if they have the Long Range Missile technology capable of delivering a nuclear weapon at a US target. Probably why they are actively working on their space technology.

theking--
MANY nuclear physicists wanted most countries to share the allied research of the Manhattan Project. Remember it was started because of the belief the Nazis had a similar program. That is why so many international scientists came to the states to help the effort. It is also why scientists like Klaus Fuchs and Ted Wohl GAVE the Russians (Our allies, who were actually excluded from the secret effort) much of the information they needed to develop the bomb.

Russia did develop the atomic bomb 4 years after the Anglo-American effort. Then the Russians actually beat the United States, Canada and Britian to the development Thermo Nuclear weapons.

I'm sure when _Colin_ comes in he will expound on how relatively simple the construction of atomic weaponry is, with Nuclear Physicists probably trained in American schools, using unclassified American research, and old intelligence as a base.

< / I M X >

[Juge]

Originally posted by <IMX>
Juge--
Exactly, it is absolutely amazing we did not blow-up the world by sheer ignorance and miscommunication. Anyone who thinks other wise should look at how far each side was willing to go to avert war; yet, how many blunders were made.

China has had atomic capability since 1969 I believe. I do not know if they have thermonuclear capability. I do not know if they have the Long Range Missile technology capable of delivering a nuclear weapon at a US target. Probably why they are actively working on their space technology.

< / I M X >

Yes, it is simply amazing that a war did not start from miscommunication alone. It is incredible. And I imagine there's a lot more shit that went on that we don't even know about.

[dimonka]

So what are they going to do with these kind of weapons ???

[<IMX>]

dimonka--
Mainly it is a sign of development of Industrial capability. I know quite a bit is needed to refine the uranium and what not. Interesting, that N. Korea was never able to gain the technology from China, and had to develop their own program.

Who knows what N. Korea will do with it.
Perhaps they will threaten S. Korea?

Ironic, given we had the chance to use atomic weapons during the Korean War on Chinese Forces, but we fought to avoid a potential Sino-Soviet-U.N. war, instead of fighting to win.

History is filled with Irony!

[ReFresh]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
Bush makes his threats and whatnot, and suddenly America has another ememy.

Basically America has problems because they make enemies. Most countries don't look for trouble, and they don't receive any trouble either.

Bush is an idiot. He doesn't make any decisions. He just says what he's told to say.

Fuck it. I'm going to go get a pizza, if we aren't vaporized first...