just received this from ibill - GoFuckYourself.com

quiet · 10-19-2002, 02:13 AM

i probably shouldn't be posting this, with only a single email to go on. i am (of course) a little bit skeptical:

Quote:

Good news. We will be announcing a solution next week that will enable
iBill to process your transactions without incorporating in US. I'll get
with you Monday to discuss.

'amazingly sweet' - would be quite an understatement

anyone else catch wind of this?

[Labret] · 10-19-2002, 02:15 AM

iBill SUCKS!

Shoplifter · 10-19-2002, 02:17 AM

Quiet who sent this, was it Sylvia? I haven't heard a peep.

Can you disclose more of your conversation and what you said to get this reply?

My heart certainly sank when the EU was accepted but not us

Brown Bear · 10-19-2002, 02:17 AM

Is that all they give you? no details? just that?

quiet · 10-19-2002, 02:20 AM

that's all i've got. it's not from a rep. i can't disclose any more than that (not that there is anything more to disclose at this point).

Shoplifter · 10-19-2002, 02:26 AM

Assuming this specifically addresses Canadians it is heartening news. I was actually just filling out the Verotel application....

Hey Labret do you use Verotel? How are the rebills?

Thanks very much for the post Quiet.

quiet · 10-19-2002, 02:29 AM

no problem. i wouldn't base any decisions on it though. i'm still working through an alternate plan. i only got that message an hour ago.

Calvinguy · 10-19-2002, 02:35 AM

I got an email too, see:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=83458

Mr.Fiction · 10-19-2002, 02:36 AM

quiet, man, don't let us down. I thought you were in on the Visa boycott. It's not about the money anymore, we're doing it for the cause. Don't sell out, bro.

Ask yourself this question: What would Jesus do?

The answer is obvious, he'd boycott Visa. In fact, in his lifetime, he did just that!

quiet · 10-19-2002, 02:39 AM

Calvinguy - the difference is that i'm Canadian.

Calvinguy · 10-19-2002, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
Calvinguy - the difference is that i'm Canadian.

ahhh... missed that...

Master_Yoba · 10-19-2002, 03:32 AM

I've got the same from another Ibill rep. Just sitting and waiting their Monday initiatives

quiet · 10-19-2002, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba
I've got the same from another Ibill rep. Just sitting and waiting their Monday initiatives

today? any information beyond what i posted?

Theo · 10-19-2002, 03:42 AM

i'm sending emails to paysite owners in order to give them fake hopes

markusborger · 10-19-2002, 04:01 AM

yes....

IBILL & CCBILL can suck dickies

newbie · 10-19-2002, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i'm sending emails to paysite owners in order to give them fake hopes

markusborger · 10-19-2002, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by markusborger
yes....

IBILL & CCBILL can suck dickies

utch.... i forgot PAYPAL and VEROTEL

d00t · 10-19-2002, 08:26 AM

fantastic.. while all us non-us webmasters are frantically trying to setup us companies, spending all this money could be for nothing...

trust them to leave it to the last minute

on another note.. take a read of the joint epoch/ibill/ccbill email.. it mentions 'more mastercard infomation will come through soon'
im guessing thats the $1000 hit

Shoplifter · 10-19-2002, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by d00t
fantastic.. while all us non-us webmasters are frantically trying to setup us companies, spending all this money could be for nothing...

Yah I have paid for the family vacations of several guys in Nevada at this point. I was due to make another payment today but I will wait it out until Tuesday.

So what might Ibill be up to? An AC Pay type scheme? Or will they just do Canadians in another region until someone tells them not to like Globill and the others?

quiet · 10-19-2002, 08:54 PM

bump. any other Canadian companies hear about this?

playa · 10-19-2002, 08:58 PM

this is really amazing,,
why can't they get their shit together

SleazyDream · 10-19-2002, 09:05 PM

after discussing it with my account and lawyer I'm just sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I was lucky enough to get a us tax number when in flordia for internext (for other reasons) I would suggest you get a US tax # IMMEDIATLY quiet - just in case. So worst case scenario I just open a US corp. I really don't think I'll have to though, I just can't see them locking us canadians out. There are too many other international businesses at stake as well that fall under similar guildlines in canada. (drug companies in particular) - my lawyer represents a few in wpg and none of us are really all that worried.

quiet · 10-19-2002, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
after discussing it with my account and lawyer I'm just sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I was lucky enough to get a us tax number when in flordia for internext (for other reasons) I would suggest you get a US tax # IMMEDIATLY quiet - just in case. So worst case scenario I just open a US corp. I really don't think I'll have to though, I just can't see them locking us canadians out. There are too many other international businesses at stake as well that fall under similar guildlines in canada. (drug companies in particular) - my lawyer represents a few in wpg and none of us are really all that worried.

i already have an alternate plan ready to go.

this would be much, much sweeter however - for many reasons. i should hear from my ibill source on Monday, and then i'll go one route or the other based on that...

Shoplifter · 10-19-2002, 09:20 PM

Even though I haven't heard anything supporting Quiet's email
I am thinking we will very soon see some sort of solution that allows non USA sites to process and evade the fees as well.

If they don't find a way they will be kissing away a huge portion of their existing business and almost all of their newbie business to billers that for whatever reason are not involved with these requirements. Who on earth would sign up with Ibill as long as Globill or Verotel etc are in operation. They must solve this problem.

The USA incorporation is -absolutely- last ditch stuff, and I think that most webmasters who would be forced to do it would only do it for so long as to secure their rebills and figure out a way to
slowly extricate their businesses from the USA.

quiet · 10-19-2002, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter
most webmasters who would be forced to do it would only do it for so long as to secure their rebills and figure out a way to slowly extricate their businesses from the USA.

i agree.

SleazyDream · 10-19-2002, 09:29 PM

not just for billing reasons either - fucking americans will sue you for looking at them the wrong way. And then there's those political moral majority bozo's like ashhahahahaha..........Just safer in general to have as much as possible outside of the USA

interesting - GFY automatically changes the name of our fav aut gen to hahahahaha..... probally to keep the n s a away

quiet · 10-21-2002, 07:01 PM

just checked my email, and received this from ibill:

Quote:

xxxx,

The solution is for Canadian based AND European based webmasters.....We'll
still need you fill out the form (which will probably need some
modification)........... xxxxx will be glad to work with you on that piece.

tried to call him but he's off work.

now come on, the cat must be out of the bag by now. or am i still the only one hearing that Canadians have an ibill solution - beyond US incorporation, taxation, etc, etc?

m0rph3us · 10-21-2002, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
just checked my email, and received this from ibill:

tried to call him but he's off work.

now come on, the cat must be out of the bag by now. or am i still the only one hearing that Canadians have an ibill solution - beyond US incorporation, taxation, etc, etc?

their letters look very formal

10-19-2002, 02:17 AM	#4
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10-19-2002, 02:20 AM	#5
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	that's all i've got. it's not from a rep. i can't disclose any more than that (not that there is anything more to disclose at this point). __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-19-2002, 02:29 AM	#7
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	no problem. i wouldn't base any decisions on it though. i'm still working through an alternate plan. i only got that message an hour ago. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-19-2002, 02:39 AM	#10
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	Calvinguy - the difference is that i'm Canadian. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-19-2002, 03:32 AM	#12
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10-19-2002, 02:15 AM	#2
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	iBill SUCKS!

10-19-2002, 02:17 AM	#3
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Quiet who sent this, was it Sylvia? I haven't heard a peep. Can you disclose more of your conversation and what you said to get this reply? My heart certainly sank when the EU was accepted but not us

10-19-2002, 02:26 AM	#6
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Assuming this specifically addresses Canadians it is heartening news. I was actually just filling out the Verotel application.... Hey Labret do you use Verotel? How are the rebills? Thanks very much for the post Quiet.

10-19-2002, 02:35 AM	#8
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	I got an email too, see: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=83458

10-19-2002, 02:36 AM	#9
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	quiet, man, don't let us down. I thought you were in on the Visa boycott. It's not about the money anymore, we're doing it for the cause. Don't sell out, bro. Ask yourself this question: What would Jesus do? The answer is obvious, he'd boycott Visa. In fact, in his lifetime, he did just that!

10-19-2002, 03:42 AM	#14
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i'm sending emails to paysite owners in order to give them fake hopes

10-19-2002, 04:01 AM	#15
markusborger So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 145	yes.... IBILL & CCBILL can suck dickies

10-19-2002, 08:26 AM	#18
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	fantastic.. while all us non-us webmasters are frantically trying to setup us companies, spending all this money could be for nothing... trust them to leave it to the last minute on another note.. take a read of the joint epoch/ibill/ccbill email.. it mentions 'more mastercard infomation will come through soon' im guessing thats the $1000 hit

10-19-2002, 08:54 PM	#20
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	bump. any other Canadian companies hear about this? __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-19-2002, 08:58 PM	#21
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	this is really amazing,, why can't they get their shit together

10-19-2002, 09:05 PM	#22
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	after discussing it with my account and lawyer I'm just sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I was lucky enough to get a us tax number when in flordia for internext (for other reasons) I would suggest you get a US tax # IMMEDIATLY quiet - just in case. So worst case scenario I just open a US corp. I really don't think I'll have to though, I just can't see them locking us canadians out. There are too many other international businesses at stake as well that fall under similar guildlines in canada. (drug companies in particular) - my lawyer represents a few in wpg and none of us are really all that worried. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

10-19-2002, 09:20 PM	#24
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Even though I haven't heard anything supporting Quiet's email I am thinking we will very soon see some sort of solution that allows non USA sites to process and evade the fees as well. If they don't find a way they will be kissing away a huge portion of their existing business and almost all of their newbie business to billers that for whatever reason are not involved with these requirements. Who on earth would sign up with Ibill as long as Globill or Verotel etc are in operation. They must solve this problem. The USA incorporation is -absolutely- last ditch stuff, and I think that most webmasters who would be forced to do it would only do it for so long as to secure their rebills and figure out a way to slowly extricate their businesses from the USA. Last edited by Shoplifter; 10-19-2002 at 09:23 PM..

10-19-2002, 09:29 PM	#26
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	not just for billing reasons either - fucking americans will sue you for looking at them the wrong way. And then there's those political moral majority bozo's like ashhahahahaha..........Just safer in general to have as much as possible outside of the USA interesting - GFY automatically changes the name of our fav aut gen to hahahahaha..... probally to keep the n s a away __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog. Last edited by SleazyDream; 10-19-2002 at 09:30 PM..