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SNRProductions · 06-14-2008, 11:06 AM

imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=AnettaKeys&hewid=GEFDEF

(sorry copy and paste that in your browsers...I'm still too newbie for URL posts)

That's Mia from our camwithher.com site. That is not her on that profile, someone stole her pics/vids from our site and is streaming them to make money on imlive. How the hell do they get 2257 paperwork, and ID on people that don't exist? This pisses me off because it happens a lot...and not just on imlive. Livejasmine does the same stuff. I just don't get how it's possible if they're keeping records of their models.

fris · 06-14-2008, 11:14 AM

I would contact someone from pussycash regarding this

icq: 383055247

s3xnetwork · 06-14-2008, 11:17 AM

why don't you file a lawsuit, go in to discovery and get ahold of all their 2257s.. you could probably make a lot of dough.

SNRProductions · 06-14-2008, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s3xnetwork

why don't you file a lawsuit, go in to discovery and get ahold of all their 2257s.. you could probably make a lot of dough.

I'm considering it now that it's starting to happen more and more.

xentech · 06-14-2008, 11:42 AM

interesting :|

Spunky · 06-14-2008, 11:46 AM

Contact Adam 174167541.I'm sure he will look after it

nosey · 06-14-2008, 12:04 PM

SNRProductions · 06-14-2008, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunky

Contact Adam 174167541.I'm sure he will look after it

Thanks, I will shoot him a message when I see him on.

CDSmith · 06-14-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nosey

Anyone have a better way?

adamneve · 06-14-2008, 12:58 PM

ImLive.com holds 2257 documentation of all their hosts, in case of a complaint or suspicion of inappropriate documentation or stolen images each case is examined carefully.
Following the information given we will check this host as well.

SNRProductions · 06-14-2008, 01:29 PM

Adam messaged me on AIM. He's looking into it. I'm interested to find out how this is possible.

crockett · 06-14-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamneve

ImLive.com holds 2257 documentation of all their hosts, in case of a complaint or suspicion of inappropriate documentation or stolen images each case is examined carefully.
Following the information given we will check this host as well.

How could they possibly have a legit drivers license or passport much less 2257 info if the profile is a fake using stolen content?

Mutt · 06-14-2008, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamneve

ImLive.com holds 2257 documentation of all their hosts, in case of a complaint or suspicion of inappropriate documentation or stolen images each case is examined carefully.
Following the information given we will check this host as well.

haha sell stupid someplace else

if you did have legitimate 2257 documentation on all your hosts than it would have been impossible for whoever opened that account using the content from Camwithher - where would they have gotten the models drivers license or passport from?

your serve - post the 2257 documentation you have for that host

tical · 06-14-2008, 05:08 PM

i dont think imlive even appoves accounts, if i remember right they are already active the minute you sign up as a model

maybe they suspend them later on if they don't receive documentation, but i dont think there is a "waiting to be approved" period

i could be wrong though, but an associate close to me ran several cam studios and told me this as he was adding girls to the site

SNRProductions · 06-14-2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tical

i dont think imlive even appoves accounts, if i remember right they are already active the minute you sign up as a model

maybe they suspend them later on if they don't receive documentation, but i dont think there is a "waiting to be approved" period

i could be wrong though, but an associate close to me ran several cam studios and told me this as he was adding girls to the site

Wow...if that's the case, that's pretty crazy. It would definitely explain the situation. Still curious how they would get away with doing that though.

SNRProductions · 06-15-2008, 12:16 AM

I appreciate the removal of the profile. Still curious about my previous questions however. Adam, can you send me a copy of the paperwork/ID on that account? I'm curious to see how this all works.

SNRProductions · 06-15-2008, 11:44 PM

Here's another one for you Adam: imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=PamyLockHeart

Again, another fake account of Gisele from camwithher.

Still waiting to hear from you regarding their paperwork.

SNRProductions · 06-16-2008, 12:23 AM

and another fake account of gieda from camwithher: imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=Boobs2SuckX

adamneve · 06-16-2008, 03:14 AM

Following the post and the three complaints, we initiated an investigation.

The 3 host accounts in question were checked immediately and we found that all of them uploaded to their gallery a few images of someone else, images that might have been taken from other websites.

The hosts violated Imlive Terms of Use by uploading, at some later point after being approved, images which do not belong to them. It seems that the hosts in question are connected to one small fraudulent group.

All hosts accounts were suspended as a result.

The 2257 records however, are thoroughly checked upon registration against the webcam performer itself. All 3 hosts records were re-checked now and were found to be perfectly complaint.

Therefore, as we suspected, this violation had nothing to do with 2257 documentations and records keeping.

If you have any further questions you?re welcome to contact me directly.

SNRProductions · 06-16-2008, 03:26 AM

I'm guessing you meant to say compliant and not complaint...but how is it that they are compliant when it's not them? That doesn't make sense to me?

Also here's another: http://imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?h...LovelyBarbie01

That's a fake profile of Nyluh from camwithher.

CyberHustler · 06-16-2008, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNRProductions

I'm guessing you meant to say compliant and not complaint...but how is it that they are compliant when it's not them? That doesn't make sense to me?

Also here's another: http://imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?h...LovelyBarbie01

That's a fake profile of Nyluh from camwithher.

Maybe they registered with proper docs, then decided to steal and stream your shit after they were already approved... kinda like what Adam already said?

Mickey_ · 06-16-2008, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNRProductions

imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=AnettaKeys&hewid=GEFDEF

(sorry copy and paste that in your browsers...I'm still too newbie for URL posts)

That's Mia from our camwithher.com site. That is not her on that profile, someone stole her pics/vids from our site and is streaming them to make money on imlive. How the hell do they get 2257 paperwork, and ID on people that don't exist? This pisses me off because it happens a lot...and not just on imlive. Livejasmine does the same stuff. I just don't get how it's possible if they're keeping records of their models.

You may contact LiveJasmin's support dept. or me directly regarding complaints about models on LiveJasmin. 2257 record holding and verification are of importance to us.

Abbie · 06-16-2008, 06:05 AM

Mickey, I contacted you SEVERAL times about shit. You removed about 20 of the over 100+ accounts we found. You stopped responding to emails and icq's etc. Not only that, but when I hit you up about the substantial copyright violations by your affiliates using our content to promote your sites, you completely ignored that and took NO ACTION at all in regards to those affiliates....and to thise day keep making money on them despite the numerous emails and icq's etc.

I went through this entire cycle with you on more than one occassion. You answer the first couple of times but then when shown what an enormous problem it is (your program is the WORST with this stuff), you bail out of doing anything about it. It wasn't one or two profiles with violations, it was substantial. And your affiliates using the CamWithHer content are in the high numbers as well (just check the youtube, megarotic, myspace, blogs, affiliate domains, etc sites i linked you to). So between the many fake profiles and the affiliates using CWH content, I'm sure AWE is making a nice chunk of money off these violations.

Even though I'm no longer with CWH, I do have every bit of communication and copies of all the lists /info provided to you available to Steven should he need it. But you'd probably do the same thing ... help the first few times w/ fake profiles (you have NEVER helped on the affiliates issue) then bail when seeing just how big the real problem is.

Most cam sites have been extremely helpful in these situations, but AWE has always been the worst. Hope you enjoy the money you have made and are still making off someone else's content via these profiles and affiliates. I am sure it's well into the thousands of dollars. I've also seen issues with SpunkyCash models/content, Phil-Flash models/content, and more on your program and I would encourage other webmasters to check your sites for these violations as well.

SNRProductions · 06-16-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Decker

Maybe they registered with proper docs, then decided to steal and stream your shit after they were already approved... kinda like what Adam already said?

Ah didn't follow it when he said it...thanks. I realize imlive is a large site, but there's gotta be something that can be done and be proactive rather than retroactive. Adam is being great about removing the accounts though. Thanks bud.

SNRProductions · 06-16-2008, 12:05 PM

I also sent our much larger list to Mickey...hopefully this will get the ball rolling with them. I'm aware that Abbie had issues removing in the past so I hope this works.

respect · 06-16-2008, 12:21 PM

Imlive check the hosts documents when account is created and after few days the host is visited online by the chathost representative support for another check. They ask the model that appears on that account to provide info about her, closeup face and also ask info about girl birthday, adress etc.... all this online and live. They do everything posible for the rules to be enforced and respected by the models.

I have a friend who is a host on imlive and her account got suspended twice, becouse she didint looked like the person in her profile. She changed the look but not the pics .
I think it's just a case of hosts stealing pics from another model.
Since the imlive pics aproval process is automated, this situations may appear.

As for awempire sites, they added a new feature few months back wich prevent performers to add pics of other models. But this only prevent the future attmepts.

They are really trying guys !

Abbie · 06-16-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNRProductions

I also sent our much larger list to Mickey...hopefully this will get the ball rolling with them. I'm aware that Abbie had issues removing in the past so I hope this works.

Why don't you supply mickey the list of the affiliate offenders. AWE is banking on that shit.

aico · 06-16-2008, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbie

Mickey, I contacted you SEVERAL times about shit. You removed about 20 of the over 100+ accounts we found. You stopped responding to emails and icq's etc. Not only that, but when I hit you up about the substantial copyright violations by your affiliates using our content to promote your sites, you completely ignored that and took NO ACTION at all in regards to those affiliates....and to thise day keep making money on them despite the numerous emails and icq's etc.

I went through this entire cycle with you on more than one occassion. You answer the first couple of times but then when shown what an enormous problem it is (your program is the WORST with this stuff), you bail out of doing anything about it. It wasn't one or two profiles with violations, it was substantial. And your affiliates using the CamWithHer content are in the high numbers as well (just check the youtube, megarotic, myspace, blogs, affiliate domains, etc sites i linked you to). So between the many fake profiles and the affiliates using CWH content, I'm sure AWE is making a nice chunk of money off these violations.

Even though I'm no longer with CWH, I do have every bit of communication and copies of all the lists /info provided to you available to Steven should he need it. But you'd probably do the same thing ... help the first few times w/ fake profiles (you have NEVER helped on the affiliates issue) then bail when seeing just how big the real problem is.

Most cam sites have been extremely helpful in these situations, but AWE has always been the worst. Hope you enjoy the money you have made and are still making off someone else's content via these profiles and affiliates. I am sure it's well into the thousands of dollars. I've also seen issues with SpunkyCash models/content, Phil-Flash models/content, and more on your program and I would encourage other webmasters to check your sites for these violations as well.

He didn't by any chance stop responding after 15 days did he?

Abbie · 06-16-2008, 12:39 PM

hehehe it did kinda work out like their cookies come to think of it!

Kevsh · 06-16-2008, 12:43 PM

I'm not speaking for webcam sites, but models typically show photo ID to register and often have to go through a few more hoops.

Using photos of another model (whether a cam girl, porn star, lingerie model, etc.) happens all the time and is really hard to monitor: Should the web sites approve all images before they are added to a performer's gallery? Sounds good, but we're talking hundreds - thousands of performers and some add LOTS of photos, and daily.

And even if you check each photo, it's not always guaranteed to work - How is someone going to judge if the photo submitted is the same person based on a photo ID or a few existing photos in their gallery?

But overall, I see this happening a lot less on the majority of cam sites and in my experience Imlive seems to be a lot better than some.

Kevsh · 06-16-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbie

Why don't you supply mickey the list of the affiliate offenders. AWE is banking on that shit.

The reality is, you really have to go after the affiliates yourselves. I have not inside knowledge on your issues with AWE so I can't comment, but speaking *generally* how many programs are going to email affiliates (or god forbid, suspend or terminate their account) for using another program's promo?

It's not realistic. You should know affiliates (yes I am one) are a very flaky sort, they will shit all over a company on the boards, icq, etc. for even the slightest dispute or snub. And we all know that many programs will take a complaint about an affiliate (spamming, whatever) and first look to see if he/she is making money. He is? "We'll look into it". He isn't? "We've looked into it and warned the affiliate". You know the game.

As for photos on the site, fair enough, but for affiliate sites contact the hosting company if they don't respond and/or file a DMCA (some hosts will require this). For "stolen" content, I have no experience but it is a copyright issue so I'd expect this would work.

tranza · 06-16-2008, 12:57 PM

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Mickey_ · 06-16-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbie

Why don't you supply mickey the list of the affiliate offenders. AWE is banking on that shit.

Feel free to submit them to us and we'll have them investigated.

SNRProductions · 06-18-2008, 12:44 AM

Just wanted to give kudos to Adam and his crew at ImLive for taking action proactively. He sent this bulletin to the models:

Quote:

Important Compliance Announcement!

Recently, it has come to our attention that there have been a few cases of Hosts uploading images into their galleries that have been taken from other websites. Not only is this type of activity extremely dishonest, it is also a serious violation of the Terms of Use of ImLive.com.

Be warned that such activity will not be tolerated and as such, Imlive.com will take further action, including the possible termination of the host account and forfeiture of all earnings, against hosts that are found to be guilty of this severe and deceitful violation.

Furthermore, due to the serious nature of this infraction, legal action may be taken into consideration against hosts who are caught uploading copyrighted images into their galleries

Much appreciated.

Take notes LiveJasmine ;)

06-14-2008, 11:06 AM	#1
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	How does ImLive screen their models? imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=AnettaKeys&hewid=GEFDEF (sorry copy and paste that in your browsers...I'm still too newbie for URL posts) That's Mia from our camwithher.com site. That is not her on that profile, someone stole her pics/vids from our site and is streaming them to make money on imlive. How the hell do they get 2257 paperwork, and ID on people that don't exist? This pisses me off because it happens a lot...and not just on imlive. Livejasmine does the same stuff. I just don't get how it's possible if they're keeping records of their models. __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-14-2008, 11:14 AM	#2
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adamneve LIVING LA VITA LOCA Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Internet Posts: 13,324	ImLive.com holds 2257 documentation of all their hosts, in case of a complaint or suspicion of inappropriate documentation or stolen images each case is examined carefully. Following the information given we will check this host as well. __________________ MetArtMoney.com - #1 Nude Affiliate Program MetArt CCbill Affiliate Tools 4K, HD, UP TO 50 MEGAPIXEL Mobile & Tablet Support Daily Updates HTML5 Tools skype: adamneve8 ICQ# 174167541 AIM: adineve YahooM: adineve

06-14-2008, 11:17 AM	#3
s3xnetwork Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 201	why don't you file a lawsuit, go in to discovery and get ahold of all their 2257s.. you could probably make a lot of dough.

06-14-2008, 11:42 AM	#5
xentech Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,405	interesting :\|

06-14-2008, 01:29 PM	#11
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	Adam messaged me on AIM. He's looking into it. I'm interested to find out how this is possible. __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-14-2008, 05:08 PM	#14
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	i dont think imlive even appoves accounts, if i remember right they are already active the minute you sign up as a model maybe they suspend them later on if they don't receive documentation, but i dont think there is a "waiting to be approved" period i could be wrong though, but an associate close to me ran several cam studios and told me this as he was adding girls to the site __________________ 112.020.756

06-15-2008, 12:16 AM	#16
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	I appreciate the removal of the profile. Still curious about my previous questions however. Adam, can you send me a copy of the paperwork/ID on that account? I'm curious to see how this all works. __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-15-2008, 11:44 PM	#17
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	Here's another one for you Adam: imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=PamyLockHeart Again, another fake account of Gisele from camwithher. Still waiting to hear from you regarding their paperwork. __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-16-2008, 12:23 AM	#18
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	and another fake account of gieda from camwithher: imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?hostnick=Boobs2SuckX __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-16-2008, 03:14 AM	#19
adamneve LIVING LA VITA LOCA Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Internet Posts: 13,324	Following the post and the three complaints, we initiated an investigation. The 3 host accounts in question were checked immediately and we found that all of them uploaded to their gallery a few images of someone else, images that might have been taken from other websites. The hosts violated Imlive Terms of Use by uploading, at some later point after being approved, images which do not belong to them. It seems that the hosts in question are connected to one small fraudulent group. All hosts accounts were suspended as a result. The 2257 records however, are thoroughly checked upon registration against the webcam performer itself. All 3 hosts records were re-checked now and were found to be perfectly complaint. Therefore, as we suspected, this violation had nothing to do with 2257 documentations and records keeping. If you have any further questions you?re welcome to contact me directly. __________________ MetArtMoney.com - #1 Nude Affiliate Program MetArt CCbill Affiliate Tools 4K, HD, UP TO 50 MEGAPIXEL Mobile & Tablet Support Daily Updates HTML5 Tools skype: adamneve8 ICQ# 174167541 AIM: adineve YahooM: adineve

06-16-2008, 03:26 AM	#20
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	I'm guessing you meant to say compliant and not complaint...but how is it that they are compliant when it's not them? That doesn't make sense to me? Also here's another: http://imlive.com/waitingroom1.asp?h...LovelyBarbie01 That's a fake profile of Nyluh from camwithher. __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-16-2008, 06:05 AM	#23
Abbie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,004	Mickey, I contacted you SEVERAL times about shit. You removed about 20 of the over 100+ accounts we found. You stopped responding to emails and icq's etc. Not only that, but when I hit you up about the substantial copyright violations by your affiliates using our content to promote your sites, you completely ignored that and took NO ACTION at all in regards to those affiliates....and to thise day keep making money on them despite the numerous emails and icq's etc. I went through this entire cycle with you on more than one occassion. You answer the first couple of times but then when shown what an enormous problem it is (your program is the WORST with this stuff), you bail out of doing anything about it. It wasn't one or two profiles with violations, it was substantial. And your affiliates using the CamWithHer content are in the high numbers as well (just check the youtube, megarotic, myspace, blogs, affiliate domains, etc sites i linked you to). So between the many fake profiles and the affiliates using CWH content, I'm sure AWE is making a nice chunk of money off these violations. Even though I'm no longer with CWH, I do have every bit of communication and copies of all the lists /info provided to you available to Steven should he need it. But you'd probably do the same thing ... help the first few times w/ fake profiles (you have NEVER helped on the affiliates issue) then bail when seeing just how big the real problem is. Most cam sites have been extremely helpful in these situations, but AWE has always been the worst. Hope you enjoy the money you have made and are still making off someone else's content via these profiles and affiliates. I am sure it's well into the thousands of dollars. I've also seen issues with SpunkyCash models/content, Phil-Flash models/content, and more on your program and I would encourage other webmasters to check your sites for these violations as well.

06-16-2008, 12:05 PM	#25
SNRProductions President SNRProductions Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 702	I also sent our much larger list to Mickey...hopefully this will get the ball rolling with them. I'm aware that Abbie had issues removing in the past so I hope this works. __________________ Popular gay blog with a 40 DA, quality US-based traffic: GayBodyBlog Tabs, links, posts, all available. Get free traffic: DudeDump and FemaleUpdate

06-16-2008, 12:21 PM	#26
respect Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18,399	Imlive check the hosts documents when account is created and after few days the host is visited online by the chathost representative support for another check. They ask the model that appears on that account to provide info about her, closeup face and also ask info about girl birthday, adress etc.... all this online and live. They do everything posible for the rules to be enforced and respected by the models. I have a friend who is a host on imlive and her account got suspended twice, becouse she didint looked like the person in her profile. She changed the look but not the pics . I think it's just a case of hosts stealing pics from another model. Since the imlive pics aproval process is automated, this situations may appear. As for awempire sites, they added a new feature few months back wich prevent performers to add pics of other models. But this only prevent the future attmepts. They are really trying guys ! Last edited by respect; 06-16-2008 at 12:23 PM..

06-16-2008, 12:39 PM	#29
Abbie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,004	hehehe it did kinda work out like their cookies come to think of it!

06-16-2008, 12:43 PM	#30
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	I'm not speaking for webcam sites, but models typically show photo ID to register and often have to go through a few more hoops. Using photos of another model (whether a cam girl, porn star, lingerie model, etc.) happens all the time and is really hard to monitor: Should the web sites approve all images before they are added to a performer's gallery? Sounds good, but we're talking hundreds - thousands of performers and some add LOTS of photos, and daily. And even if you check each photo, it's not always guaranteed to work - How is someone going to judge if the photo submitted is the same person based on a photo ID or a few existing photos in their gallery? But overall, I see this happening a lot less on the majority of cam sites and in my experience Imlive seems to be a lot better than some.

06-16-2008, 12:57 PM	#32
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