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Oracle Porn 06-11-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14304836)
I just ran May 1 to June 10 2007 and compared to May 1 to June 10 for 2008. We are up 17% in sales this year versus last year.

We are actually enjoying our best year ever. We've worked our ass off to achieve these results. If we would have sat back we'd be nowhere near where we are right now.

Times are tougher. Working harder isn't good enough. You have to sit down and really have a solid forward thinking plan to be successful today and in the future.

how about traffic? are you up %17 in traffic since last year? or %100?

Shap 06-11-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn (Post 14304880)
how about traffic? are you up %17 in traffic since last year? or %100?

Traffic is up about 25%

xmas13 06-11-2008 10:11 AM

Shap, sales up 17%, traffic up 25%.

Your tube sites seem to convert. Good for you. "Hard work" indeed.

Shap 06-11-2008 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 14304954)
Shap, sales up 17%, traffic up 25%.

Your tube sites seem to convert. Good for you. "Hard work" indeed.

This is specifically for Twistys only.

tony286 06-11-2008 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14304836)
I just ran May 1 to June 10 2007 and compared to May 1 to June 10 for 2008. We are up 17% in sales this year versus last year.

We are actually enjoying our best year ever. We've worked our ass off to achieve these results. If we would have sat back we'd be nowhere near where we are right now.

Times are tougher. Working harder isn't good enough. You have to sit down and really have a solid forward thinking plan to be successful today and in the future.

thats great

tony286 06-11-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14304986)
This is specifically for Twistys only.

You mean since you started Twisty's this is your best year?

Shap 06-11-2008 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14305026)
You mean since you started Twisty's this is your best year?

What I meant was the 17% and 25% were Twistys numbers. Not our entire company.

And yes it is our best year.

tony286 06-11-2008 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14305039)
What I meant was the 17% and 25% were Twistys numbers. Not our entire company.

And yes it is our best year.

Then why did you add precheck cross sales? Are they included in those numbers?

Elli 06-11-2008 10:40 AM

From April 2007 to April 2008 was one of my best years ever for my own site, but the highs have been very high and the lows have been some of the worst lows since Jan 08. They're still buying and they're still surfing, but they aren't pulling out their cards quite as easily.

tony286 06-11-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Elli (Post 14305084)
From April 2007 to April 2008 was one of my best years ever for my own site, but the highs have been very high and the lows have been some of the worst lows since Jan 08. They're still buying and they're still surfing, but they aren't pulling out their cards quite as easily.

That's how its been here its like a rollercoster. I hate it lol I miss steady

Shap 06-11-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14305052)
Then why did you add precheck cross sales? Are they included in those numbers?

PreChecked cross sales have nothing to do with Twistys actual sales. Whenever I run Twistys numbers it is strictly 100% Twistys sales. Any cross sales would be tracked separately.

Why did we add prechecked cross sales?
To increase our earnings and be more competitive.

Yngwie 06-11-2008 10:50 AM

with one of my sponsors

2007: 1:353
2008: 1:328 (so far)

Shap 06-11-2008 10:53 AM

The one area I have seen a drop is TGP ratios. Anybody who relies heavily on TGP for their sales will definitely have suffered a huge hit this year. I'd say over the past 18 months TGP ratios have suffered.

Joe BrainCash 06-11-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14305154)
The one area I have seen a drop is TGP ratios. Anybody who relies heavily on TGP for their sales will definitely have suffered a huge hit this year. I'd say over the past 18 months TGP ratios have suffered.

Now imagine submitters that have to pay the same price for partner accounts as past years to get less sales and less exposure ...so less ROI.. difficult times for them too I believe...

SGS 06-11-2008 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14305154)
The one area I have seen a drop is TGP ratios. Anybody who relies heavily on TGP for their sales will definitely have suffered a huge hit this year. I'd say over the past 18 months TGP ratios have suffered.

Yes very true and I think that this is one area hitting certain people very hard.

BVF 06-11-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14303198)
no boy girl and there wont be.You're funny lol

Well then fuck crying about tubes making you work harder.....Your problem is that your site consists of ONE BBW semi-softcore model who ain't fuckin'......How the hell is a tubesite full of HARDCORE VIDEOS dipping into your income when she is barely licking a dildo?

It ain't rocket science......Who's gonna pay for that shit?.....There isn't even any real visa on that muthafucka....

bloggingseo 06-11-2008 11:27 AM

The economy is bad....more free porn available every year.........people want to spend their money on gas and food and look at tube sites for their porn fix. Of course there will always be some people who will always buy porn because they love it and can afford it. These are the people who keep us all in business

TheSenator 06-11-2008 11:28 AM

TGPs are a thing of the past. There ratios must suck ass.

Blog/Tube/Current Info/Gossip/ constantly updated at six times a day.... Drop in some hardwork and conversion will follow.

Shap 06-11-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BrainPat (Post 14305252)
Now imagine submitters that have to pay the same price for partner accounts as past years to get less sales and less exposure ...so less ROI.. difficult times for them too I believe...

That is exactly why I said working hard doesn't cut it anymore. You have to sit down and evaluate the marketplace and come up with a plan that will allow you to be successful today and in the future. Just because it worked yesterday doesn't mean it will work tomorrow. If you don't change your business plan and adapt your business then you can't really expect business to continue to do well forever.

The big problem a lot of people have is they are lazy and don't want to adapt. The internet is a fast paced beast. I've said this before, TGPs have made absolutely no changes or improvements to their business model in the last 5+ years. TGP sites were losing traffic way before tubes came around. I actually did a lot of research on it and all tgps started dropping around the same time and it had nothing to do with tubes. You can't sit back and refuse to change and expect to continue to be successful.

Iron Fist 06-11-2008 11:41 AM

100 sales a month lost!

Iron Fist 06-11-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 14305296)
TGPs are a thing of the past. There ratios must suck ass.

Shhh... keep telling everyone that. :thumbsup:thumbsup

aico 06-11-2008 11:44 AM

"Remember when all we had to do was put up a banner, and sales would come?"

Ever think that maybe this is because all there was were banners? There was hardly any free content, and those who had it paid a lot for it.

No one to blame but ourselves, blame tube sites all you want, but the problem started way before they came around.

RogerV 06-11-2008 11:46 AM

soon all the big dogs will launch tube sites and there will be as many online as TGP's
end of the day we are giving away our bread and butter. i dont care what anyone says.

I'm thinking about launching a free dating site and Tube site very soon if i dont see a change in the biz. as I'm sure everyone else will as well, lets just give everything away free fuck it!

the only way we will make big bucks again is if we censor all the free shit no pussy or dick then people will pay and stay longer

tony286 06-11-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 14305412)
soon all the big dogs will launch tube sites and there will be as many online as TGP's
end of the day we are giving away our bread and butter. i dont care what anyone says.

I'm thinking about launching a free dating site and Tube site very soon if i dont see a change in the biz. as I'm sure everyone else will as well, lets just give everything away free fuck it!

the only way we will make big bucks again is if we censor all the free shit no pussy or dick then people will pay and stay longer

dont worry Roger, the government is aware of all that free shit also. They have copa up once again for a fight. So it will be pay to see,if they get it right this time.

cognitos 06-11-2008 01:25 PM

This is the law of diminishing returns.

If you have a program, being sold by one affiliate, and that affiliate makes 30 sales per day; and you add 20 more affiliates and they all make 5 sales per day, then you add 100 more affiliates, and they all make 2 sales per day.

A market goes through a cycle of development, growth, maturity, and then retreat.

When you have hundreds of affiliates all promoting the same product, then they can expect a diminishing return. There are a absolute number of surfers, and if all affiliates provide them the same offerings, then you can expect - as more affiliates join the market - that your slice of the pie will shrink.

Diversification, I think, is the key to success (the same as any market). If you are caught in the maturity stage in a markets cycle then you can expect your sales to remain constant (not good - unless you are growing you are shrinking), if you are in the retreat stage in the cycle, then you can expect your sales to shrink. The maturity stage should forewarn you of the retreat stage; at which time you must diversify your offering to capture the development and growth cycle of the markets next rotation.

Doing any different will spell shrinking $$$.

Persius 06-11-2008 01:28 PM

There is no money in porn. end of story

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-11-2008 02:11 PM

I hope COPA does come around again and pass.
Free porn is dangerous to all sides.

Dennis69 06-11-2008 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14306106)
I hope COPA does come around again and pass.
Free porn is dangerous to all sides.


Agreed... It's a fucking given that we can't police ourselves so we will have to deal whatever hand we are dealt then :Oh crap

SGS 06-11-2008 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis69 (Post 14306154)
Agreed... It's a fucking given that we can't police ourselves so we will have to deal whatever hand we are dealt then :Oh crap

This will be the case I'm afraid.

Hell House Vic 06-11-2008 02:30 PM

the whole US is on a down. a big down. luckily porn is international, and resists recessions and depressions well, like alcohol and tobacco.

Dennis69 your signature is rediculously HOT.

V_RocKs 06-11-2008 02:35 PM

My sales are still fine.

brandonstills 06-11-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14303781)
It's an important topic it think. It's worth having something like this at least once a week.
People are losing money yet traffic remains the same and in some cases traffic is higher yet sales are lower. It is unusual and the drop has been happening pretty fast, faster than usual I think, I only got my little numbers but from what I am seeing in this thread I am not the only guy feeling it.

At least 2257 had us spooked about content, this is about bottom dollar for affiliates. I'd rather fret about 2257 issues than lose a cent honestly...

It's similar to TV advertising. Disruptive technologies like Tivo make it hard to sell ads now because the people buying ads know a much smaller % of people actually see them. That and people are so immune to ads now even if they see them it doesn't have any effect on them. A similar change is happen in our industry right now.

brandonstills 06-11-2008 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexy Rex (Post 14304224)
Well, we're going up. We're giving a kickass product for free, users get a new girl dancing on their desktop every day for free and they can buy for as low as $2 if they want to see her naked. We show the whole member's area, don't fuck them (no adware/spyware/xsells) and guess what? They come back and buy more.

I'm not saying Desktop Strippers are the answer to the problems of the industry, we convert extremely well on traffic that suits us (up to $0.20 cents per click sent, check all our affiliates detailed statistics here: http://www2.totemcash.com/free/statistics.php) but this is not where I'm going. I believe the dominant business model in this industry (recuring membership, PPS for affiliates) should change. We're doing way more money today charging users per girl and building trust than before trying to sell membership. I guess it was a close call before between the two models, but it's not anymore with all the tube sites around. I personaly believe the next model revolves around tube site selling scenes in HD pay per view/download. Once the user found the niche he wants to jerk off on, it's the best time to provide him with the best video on that niche, in good quality for a very low price. Of course you won't be able to advertise for $35 per free trial with that, but maybe one day affiliates will start looking at how much they do per click...

my 2 cents, bash away :)

http://cbanners.virtuagirlhd.com/cus...banner/526.gif

Hardly a bash. Very well put. Actually I've seen the desktop stripper thing for ages and never really looked into it. I'm surprised it would be that popular, most people's computers aren't entirely private and some stripper randomly showing up on the desktop could lead to some embarrassing situations. No doubt I'm sure you've addressed that concern somehow.

You mentioned the word trust. Consumer confidence would be another term for it. I think you're right about the standard pay site model but I think subscription, at least in other forms will still work but not with pay sites. More like an unlimited VOD while you are a member.

I was at a talk by Paul Graham at Stanford a while back and he was talking about how Google was successful because they are basically good.

http://www.paulgraham.com/good.html

Some good stuff there.

The Duck 06-11-2008 03:08 PM

For the three years I have been in adult I have a slowly rising revenue stram

brandonstills 06-11-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 14305299)
That is exactly why I said working hard doesn't cut it anymore. You have to sit down and evaluate the marketplace and come up with a plan that will allow you to be successful today and in the future. Just because it worked yesterday doesn't mean it will work tomorrow. If you don't change your business plan and adapt your business then you can't really expect business to continue to do well forever.

The big problem a lot of people have is they are lazy and don't want to adapt. The internet is a fast paced beast. I've said this before, TGPs have made absolutely no changes or improvements to their business model in the last 5+ years. TGP sites were losing traffic way before tubes came around. I actually did a lot of research on it and all tgps started dropping around the same time and it had nothing to do with tubes. You can't sit back and refuse to change and expect to continue to be successful.

Very well put. What are you guys doing differently than TGP's and what are some of the ways you have adapted?

brandonstills 06-11-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14305470)
dont worry Roger, the government is aware of all that free shit also. They have copa up once again for a fight. So it will be pay to see,if they get it right this time.

What's copa?

BSleazy 06-11-2008 03:38 PM

Why hasn't anyone sued any of these big tube sites with illegal copyrighted movies???

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-11-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BCyber (Post 14306464)
Why hasn't anyone sued any of these big tube sites with illegal copyrighted movies???

Most companies are to leveraged finanacially to do anything.
Translation meaning they are to broke to go after them and to couple it with the futility of pursuit is known. Ya kill one 5 more pop up. It becomes a game of wack a mole.

brandonstills 06-11-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14306563)
Most companies are to leveraged finanacially to do anything.
Translation meaning they are to broke to go after them and to couple it with the futility of pursuit is known. Ya kill one 5 more pop up. It becomes a game of wack a mole.

Only they become super resistant moles. Think DDT. Look what happened after they closed Napster.

BSleazy 06-11-2008 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14306563)
Most companies are to leveraged finanacially to do anything.
Translation meaning they are to broke to go after them and to couple it with the futility of pursuit is known. Ya kill one 5 more pop up. It becomes a game of wack a mole.

I think the word would spread quick if these illegal tube sites were getting slapped with lawsuits left and right. But ya you are right about the money thing. The tube owners would just avoid putting up videos from companies that would sue and stick with those that wouldn't.


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