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the indigo · 06-08-2008, 03:04 PM

This is over the 'line' and should NOT be supported by any adult domain, TGP, etc...

http://teeniediary.com/teenies/jun2008/1/12/

Imagine in 2-3 years when the models will look even more real? This will push the public against this industry again, because of poor moral people who can't make money otherwise.

Seriously, the face look like a 5 years old girl. Anybody masturbating on this is a pedo IMO.

CCBill supports this... come on.

Dirty F · 06-08-2008, 03:06 PM

Fap fap fap

TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 03:07 PM

I'm amazed that is being processed by CCBill

Compdoctor · 06-08-2008, 03:08 PM

That is way over the line for 3d art.

bringer · 06-08-2008, 03:09 PM

haha, tour page two has the terminator

TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 03:17 PM

Don't know where the legalities fall, but this shit is ridiculous

http://www.3dtale.com/

Kevin Marx · 06-08-2008, 03:19 PM

Great artwork... very sketchy .... looks like a bunch of 10-12 year olds.

Kard63 · 06-08-2008, 03:23 PM

Thats fucking sick.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-08-2008, 03:25 PM

if its legal... its legal

Why do people always feels a need to pass judgement on other people?

Thats what we have law for

just like you dont like that site... some people dont feel the exact same way about all porn... some people feel all porn is sick and discusting

stop trying to fucking be the moral police and worry about your own biz

TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyserver

if its legal... its legal

Why do people always feels a need to pass judgement on other people?

Thats what we have law for

just like you dont like that site... some people dont feel the exact same way about all porn... some people feel all porn is sick and discusting

stop trying to fucking be the moral police and worry about your own biz

If its not illegal to create or sell 3D models of kids having sex with old guys then it should be. I reported some of the more blatant ones to ASACP.

Not worrying about things like this is a very bad thing for our industry. This isn't about passing moral judgment on someone.

Deej · 06-08-2008, 03:29 PM

i like the bigger boobs on the top of the gallery, thanks...

payd2purv · 06-08-2008, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the indigo

This is over the 'line' and should NOT be supported by any adult domain, TGP, etc...

http://teeniediary.com/teenies/jun2008/1/12/

Imagine in 2-3 years when the models will look even more real? This will push the public against this industry again, because of poor moral people who can't make money otherwise.

Seriously, the face look like a 5 years old girl. Anybody masturbating on this is a pedo IMO.

CCBill supports this... come on.

2 - 3 years? I got friends that can model photo realistic CP today.

The technology is definitely here...

mrwilson · 06-08-2008, 03:29 PM

These look far to fucking young.
3d character or not its blatantly obviously what type of surfer they are targeting

Robbie · 06-08-2008, 03:29 PM

In case everybody missed the HUGE news a couple of years ago...the Supreme Court Of The United States said that artwork and animated characters are 100% protected by the constitution and it was not illegal to even draw CP. And quite frankly unless you agree with the govt. having mind control over you, that's the way it should be. If you're offended by it, or whatever, then just don't look at it. I looked at it just now for 3 seconds and then moved on. Not my thing. Matter of fact if this post hadn't been made it probably would have never had this kind of recognition. I've always thought that's what happens when Fox News runs some story of gangs doing something in one town...kinda publicizes it in my opinion. Anyway...that is perfectly legal. If you want to make moral judgements then that is your right.
p.s.: What industry? Heh-heh.

TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

In case everybody missed the HUGE news a couple of years ago...the Supreme Court Of The United States said that artwork and animated characters are 100% protected by the constitution and it was not illegal to even draw CP.

Link?

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TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 03:32 PM

If shit like this is legal and Max Hardcore (tho I don't particularly like his content it is consenting adults) isn't, then there are some major issues with a few laws: http://galleries.adult-empire.com/50...1162/index.php

bringer · 06-08-2008, 03:43 PM

i guess the real question is how many 18 year olds wear schoolgirl outfits still or cheerleader uniforms? how many in the sets wearing schoolgirl/cheer outfits are petite, with braces, and look underage? you've never seen a schoolgirl set and thought the model was underage until you saw it was owned by a big company you know is legit? a schoolgirl who btw is sitting at a desk in the front row of a room that looks like an elementary school classroom. the fact is the same "pedos" you point to who love this shit also love the schoolgirl/cheer niches. should we not allow them either? or should we instead focus on keeping people from being victimized? if this was real cp, id do what i could to get the victim help by passing the link to the proper authorities. its a drawing so who the fuck cares? no one was traumatized in the making of these images and the people they cater to love anything that makes the model APPEAR to be underage. just imagine what a jury might think viewing one of those sets. a petite "undeveloped" girl in a schoolgirl outfit blowing a "teacher" while sitting in a desk that no normal sized person could fit in. obscene?

Captain Kawaii · 06-08-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

If its not illegal to create or sell 3D models of kids having sex with old guys then it should be. I reported some of the more blatant ones to ASACP.

Not worrying about things like this is a very bad thing for our industry. This isn't about passing moral judgment on someone.

I agree with you. Not passing judgment either but some internal policing by the industry needs to go on.

In Japan, most of the heads of the censorship organization put together by the studios are former law enforcement or gov officials...
G
ov tends not to get too much involved - but overall it is the industry policing itself...

sysk · 06-08-2008, 03:46 PM

Personally, I'd rather see a pedo jerking off 3d CP then see him wandering around a school's backyard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_sublimation

Robbie · 06-08-2008, 03:49 PM

I don't know of a link to that Supreme Court ruling. I saw it on the news when it happened. I agreed with it. No, I don't agree with screwing kids...but I did agree that once you made drawing children naked illegal and/or writing words about having sex with them..you'd pretty much have to raid the Vatican to destroy classical statues and architecture, and then burn about 3/4 of classic literature.
I didn't look at that link but for a split second...like I said, it's not my thing. But it was just cartoons right? Guys, you can't make what people think illegal, and you can't make what somebody draws on a piece of paper or creates digitally (the moden equivalent) illegal. If you do, you're just handing over the last tiny bits of your freedom to the govt. If you think it's disgusting then don't look at it and don't spend money on it. And hell, don't promote it. Who the fuck knows? Maybe some sick pedo will use that as jack material instead of living out his sick fantasies?
But I'm pretty sure from what I've read that pedo's have no interest in cartoons or even bitches in their 20's dressed up like kids.
I'm also pretty sure they don't spend a whole lot of time on porn sites too.
I have nothing to back any of that up. But from everything I've ever read about them, they seem to be more interested in reality as opposed to virtual stuff, and only use computers to meet real victims in chat rooms and such.
I don't know how far things may or may not go with cartoons depicting shit like that. But then again, I don't really care. I take care of my kids and monitor them carefully. There were plenty of pedos 40 years ago when I was a kid and my parents watched over me carefully too.
Legally, I don't know what that may or may not lead to. I assume that the Supreme Court has spoken for now. Maybe they'll change their minds later. Since I like women in their mid 20's and up, with big titties and big round asses...I guess it's a non-issue what people do about cartoons.
I even wonder if a real CP site has even ever existed that made money? I'm clueless on that one. Hasn't that shit pretty much always existed sort of underground in secret societal circles? I'm unaware that it's ever been a "for profit" thing.
But I could be way off-base.
That's why I don't think they have ever found a true CP person in this industry. Well, that and the fact that we'd all get together and do it the right way...no govt. needed. Just a ride out to the desert.

GetSCORECash · 06-08-2008, 03:49 PM

Guys this is now considered illegal in the UK. So keep that in mind, when promoting this type of content.

IllTestYourGirls · 06-08-2008, 03:49 PM

They totally should start banning shit like this. But lets start with the museums. This sculpture is clearly of an under aged girl.

Cant get more life like than that!

IllTestYourGirls · 06-08-2008, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't know of a link to that Supreme Court ruling. I saw it on the news when it happened. I agreed with it. No, I don't agree with screwing kids...but I did agree that once you made drawing children naked illegal and/or writing words about having sex with them..you'd pretty much have to raid the Vatican to destroy classical statues and architecture, and then burn about 3/4 of classic literature.
I didn't look at that link but for a split second...like I said, it's not my thing. But it was just cartoons right? Guys, you can't make what people think illegal, and you can't make what somebody draws on a piece of paper or creates digitally (the moden equivalent) illegal. If you do, you're just handing over the last tiny bits of your freedom to the govt. If you think it's disgusting then don't look at it and don't spend money on it. And hell, don't promote it. Who the fuck knows? Maybe some sick pedo will use that as jack material instead of living out his sick fantasies?
But I'm pretty sure from what I've read that pedo's have no interest in cartoons or even bitches in their 20's dressed up like kids.
I'm also pretty sure they don't spend a whole lot of time on porn sites too.
I have nothing to back any of that up. But from everything I've ever read about them, they seem to be more interested in reality as opposed to virtual stuff, and only use computers to meet real victims in chat rooms and such.
I don't know how far things may or may not go with cartoons depicting shit like that. But then again, I don't really care. I take care of my kids and monitor them carefully. There were plenty of pedos 40 years ago when I was a kid and my parents watched over me carefully too.
Legally, I don't know what that may or may not lead to. I assume that the Supreme Court has spoken for now. Maybe they'll change their minds later. Since I like women in their mid 20's and up, with big titties and big round asses...I guess it's a non-issue what people do about cartoons.
I even wonder if a real CP site has even ever existed that made money? I'm clueless on that one. Hasn't that shit pretty much always existed sort of underground in secret societal circles? I'm unaware that it's ever been a "for profit" thing.
But I could be way off-base.
That's why I don't think they have ever found a true CP person in this industry. Well, that and the fact that we'd all get together and do it the right way...no govt. needed. Just a ride out to the desert.

You would have to destroy the bible. Focus should be on catching real CP and getting those fucking bastards in jail.

Just dont fucking promote it

TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 03:56 PM

I'm on my way out the door so this will have to be short. The comparisons to ancient sculpture/art are completely off. There is a major difference between the sculpture posted above and scenes of penetration, sexual dialog, etc. Show me some art in the Vatican portraying underage people and cumshots and I will say that Yes, that is a problem also. I doubt you'll find it tho. It is a stupid comparison to make.

Intent and purpose have a lot of influence on what something is. Your greek sculpture wasn't created and intended for someone to fulfill the fantasy of having sex with a child.

I wanted to see a link to the supreme court decision as the interpretation of things is often times not the reality of what they are. Lots of speech is protected, as it should be, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions.

Glad to hear the UK has its head on straight.

It isn't going to be the tube sites, government meddling, visa rules, or xsales that will cause this industry long term problems. It will be the total lack of any type of internal policing and the ridiculously low barrier of entry that allows people to jump right in and do things such as this which give us all a bad name.

I have to run, but will be back in a few hours.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 06-08-2008, 04:00 PM

that is not pseudo child porn, IT IS CHILD PORN, regardless of whether or not it is real photography.

IllTestYourGirls · 06-08-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I'm on my way out the door so this will have to be short. The comparisons to ancient sculpture/art are completely off. There is a major difference between the sculpture posted above and scenes of penetration, sexual dialog, etc. Show me some art in the Vatican portraying underage people and cumshots and I will say that Yes, that is a problem also. I doubt you'll find it tho. It is a stupid comparison to make.

Intent and purpose have a lot of influence on what something is. Your greek sculpture wasn't created and intended for someone to fulfill the fantasy of having sex with a child.

I wanted to see a link to the supreme court decision as the interpretation of things is often times not the reality of what they are. Lots of speech is protected, as it should be, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions.

Glad to hear the UK has its head on straight.

It isn't going to be the tube sites, government meddling, visa rules, or xsales that will cause this industry long term problems. It will be the total lack of any type of internal policing and the ridiculously low barrier of entry that allows people to jump right in and do things such as this which give us all a bad name.

I have to run, but will be back in a few hours.

You are right greek sculpture was not created to fulfill the fantasy it was created because it was happening in real life. (I am not trying to defend this) Maybe the example in the OP should be banned (I think it should), its just leading down a very slippery path.

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SifuE · 06-08-2008, 04:03 PM

WTF! That is wrong it still puts images of the wrong thing in mind.. I can't believe CCBill lets them convert this

sysk · 06-08-2008, 04:04 PM

We have a new niche ?

After Shock Media · 06-08-2008, 04:07 PM

Is it really possible to have a crime without a victim?
What level of thought crimes are ok. I mean should I be prosecuted for thinking about pushing someone off of a subway platform just to see if he would bounce of the front of the train or actually splat? If thats ok, if I use computers to make it a fake reality I can share with others then does it become illegal?

bringer · 06-08-2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I wanted to see a link to the supreme court decision as the interpretation of things is often times not the reality of what they are. Lots of speech is protected, as it should be, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions.

Glad to hear the UK has its head on straight.

It isn't going to be the tube sites, government meddling, visa rules, or xsales that will cause this industry long term problems. It will be the total lack of any type of internal policing and the ridiculously low barrier of entry that allows people to jump right in and do things such as this which give us all a bad name.

you're standing on the same moral high ground that people who hate porn stand on, its just located in a different location on the "line". you talk about limits, so why shouldnt the limit be no penetration on screen? because you dont want it drawn there? it works in hollywood, why not here? if i push only single model softcore sites, do i get to say that hardcore makes me look bad? do i get to cry when people say im just as bad? "i only sell women posing for pictures topless, not women getting gangbanged followed with bukkake." why do YOU get to determine where the line is when many think what you enjoy goes too far?

d-null · 06-08-2008, 04:10 PM

didn't see the link, but you have to think that laws regarding this would be unworkable

for example, what if an artist that drew the picture used 18 year old models from which he drew them, does it make it then legal, even if in your interpretation his art style made them look a year younger? what if the artist swears that his drawing is of an 18 year old model, are we to say "no that drawing looks younger than that to us, you are in big trouble and need to be jailed Mr. Artist"

it just really seems unworkable to try to go after drawings and artwork...... should words and stories be punishable by jail as well?

bignasty · 06-08-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

should words and stories be punishable by jail as well?

already happening

sulikk · 06-08-2008, 04:14 PM

i wouldnt promote this kind of content

bringer · 06-08-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sulikk

i wouldnt promote this kind of content

neither would i.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-08-2008, 04:51 PM

Ok I just took a look at the site in question and yes? this is done in very poor taste and definitely smells of CP
?However, laws are made for a reason? either its legal or its illegal

There are people who feel the same way about liquor?about porn? about gays about just about anything you can think of but if its legal who are those people to judge them

The point I am trying make is this? morals and personal opinion cannot stand as the barometer of legality. While I disagree with this I support their right to produce it as along as its legal

IllTestYourGirls · 06-08-2008, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Is it really possible to have a crime without a victim?
What level of thought crimes are ok. I mean should I be prosecuted for thinking about pushing someone off of a subway platform just to see if he would bounce of the front of the train or actually splat? If thats ok, if I use computers to make it a fake reality I can share with others then does it become illegal?

After Shock always has the best posts

Iron Fist · 06-08-2008, 05:23 PM

I wonder where Mutt is with his Private School Jewel site... hmm...

XMaster · 06-08-2008, 05:36 PM

CCBILL does not accept shit like that. Im sure they will stop processing asap.

tony286 · 06-08-2008, 05:38 PM

Noone was defending red rose and she just wrote fucking stories. It was all she crossed the line fuck her, but life like cartoons are ok? Im confused.

Some Guy · 06-08-2008, 05:48 PM

Most of the girls on that site seem to be portrayed as actual women. Huge tits, curves, etc. I only see a few that appear younger. But, come on. Look at all the sites out there CCBill's processing where the model looks 14-years-old.

That being said, this whole new 3D niche is fucking retarded. To each their own.

You'd think they could be sued over the whole Terminator thing, though.

Some Guy · 06-08-2008, 05:51 PM

This is such an interesting debate and something I've never really thought about. What does happen when these virual models get so realistic looking you can't tell them apart from the real thing? How does one define an age for a character that's not even real, and at what point does it become illegal, if ever? You could create a model of a 14-year-old and just say she's 18. Who would know? Wow.

TMM_John · 06-08-2008, 06:18 PM

The fact that people on this board are sitting here defending pictures that are obviously meant to portray children having sex is simply astounding.

It isn't drawing a line or comparing it to people who want all porn banned. It is child porn. I don't think there is much else to say here

Some Guy · 06-08-2008, 06:23 PM

Who's to say the artist intentionally made them look younger on purpose? Some, if not most, of the girls on that site look old enough.

Either way, it's fucking stupid and nothing I'd ever promote anyway.

Deej · 06-08-2008, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

They totally should start banning shit like this. But lets start with the museums. This sculpture is clearly of an under aged girl.

Cant get more life like than that!

im not sure what its supposed to be, (under aged or not) but it does not appear off hand to me to be under aged...

thats my perception... the face of all things looks 30 or so...

the body, it could be any female young or old...

loopholing CP is a whole different thing...

xentech · 06-08-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Is it really possible to have a crime without a victim?
What level of thought crimes are ok. I mean should I be prosecuted for thinking about pushing someone off of a subway platform just to see if he would bounce of the front of the train or actually splat? If thats ok, if I use computers to make it a fake reality I can share with others then does it become illegal?

I'm not defending this shit, but it is alot better than them looking at real child porn.

Deej · 06-08-2008, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

The fact that people on this board are sitting here defending pictures that are obviously meant to portray children having sex is simply astounding.

It isn't drawing a line or comparing it to people who want all porn banned. It is child porn. I don't think there is much else to say here

i hear that, although they ARE arguing a point, its the wrong point...

they are arguing freedom of speech... which im sure we all agree with

but their arguement is fine n dandy but were not talking about america or anyone rights of hosting this...

were calling for a blacklist or a shut down of it within our community/industry... which im sure we all agree on as well...

our industry and processing is NOT held under the limitations of peoples rights, fuckin shut it down... theres is only one thing it caters to...

well two... perverts and pockets...

people can talk freedom of speech and shit like that all they want... but in the end... were an industry - not a democracy... something that we need to protect and not tarnish where we can help it...

Sands · 06-08-2008, 06:35 PM

pocketkangaroo · 06-08-2008, 06:37 PM

I guess I'm more shocked that CCBill is processing for this site. Maybe times are tough and they're really stretching their limits for what they will process. I believe we've seen a few questionable sites now being billed through CCBill that would have never passed the test years ago.

I think this stuff is disgusting regardless of legality. My question though is if this is any different than the sites who take a legal age girl, dress her up to look 13, put her in a child's room, and build a real site around that? There is a lot of that going on right now and I consider that just as disgusting.

corvette · 06-08-2008, 07:11 PM

thanks tony for pointing this thread out.

we will get that site reviewed to make sure it follows our aup and policies, if you guys see anything else you think deserves attention, please email [email protected] or [email protected]

thanks

Malicious Biz · 06-08-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I wanted to see a link to the supreme court decision as the interpretation of things is often times not the reality of what they are. Lots of speech is protected, as it should be, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/...al.child.porn/

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the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	This should be banned from this industry NOW. This is over the 'line' and should NOT be supported by any adult domain, TGP, etc... http://teeniediary.com/teenies/jun2008/1/12/ Imagine in 2-3 years when the models will look even more real? This will push the public against this industry again, because of poor moral people who can't make money otherwise. Seriously, the face look like a 5 years old girl. Anybody masturbating on this is a pedo IMO. CCBill supports this... come on. __________________ "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. Thompson Last edited by the indigo; 06-08-2008 at 03:07 PM..

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Kevin Marx Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,888	Great artwork... very sketchy .... looks like a bunch of 10-12 year olds.

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pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	if its legal... its legal Why do people always feels a need to pass judgement on other people? Thats what we have law for just like you dont like that site... some people dont feel the exact same way about all porn... some people feel all porn is sick and discusting stop trying to fucking be the moral police and worry about your own biz

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	In case everybody missed the HUGE news a couple of years ago...the Supreme Court Of The United States said that artwork and animated characters are 100% protected by the constitution and it was not illegal to even draw CP. And quite frankly unless you agree with the govt. having mind control over you, that's the way it should be. If you're offended by it, or whatever, then just don't look at it. I looked at it just now for 3 seconds and then moved on. Not my thing. Matter of fact if this post hadn't been made it probably would have never had this kind of recognition. I've always thought that's what happens when Fox News runs some story of gangs doing something in one town...kinda publicizes it in my opinion. Anyway...that is perfectly legal. If you want to make moral judgements then that is your right. p.s.: What industry? Heh-heh. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	If shit like this is legal and Max Hardcore (tho I don't particularly like his content it is consenting adults) isn't, then there are some major issues with a few laws: http://galleries.adult-empire.com/50...1162/index.php __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS! Last edited by TMM_John; 06-08-2008 at 03:33 PM..

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bringer i have man boobies Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: van down by the river Posts: 13,082	i guess the real question is how many 18 year olds wear schoolgirl outfits still or cheerleader uniforms? how many in the sets wearing schoolgirl/cheer outfits are petite, with braces, and look underage? you've never seen a schoolgirl set and thought the model was underage until you saw it was owned by a big company you know is legit? a schoolgirl who btw is sitting at a desk in the front row of a room that looks like an elementary school classroom. the fact is the same "pedos" you point to who love this shit also love the schoolgirl/cheer niches. should we not allow them either? or should we instead focus on keeping people from being victimized? if this was real cp, id do what i could to get the victim help by passing the link to the proper authorities. its a drawing so who the fuck cares? no one was traumatized in the making of these images and the people they cater to love anything that makes the model APPEAR to be underage. just imagine what a jury might think viewing one of those sets. a petite "undeveloped" girl in a schoolgirl outfit blowing a "teacher" while sitting in a desk that no normal sized person could fit in. obscene? __________________ 333-765-551

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sysk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,005	Personally, I'd rather see a pedo jerking off 3d CP then see him wandering around a school's backyard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_sublimation __________________ icq: 612510168 / email: [email protected] / php ninja 4 hire

06-08-2008, 03:49 PM	#20
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I don't know of a link to that Supreme Court ruling. I saw it on the news when it happened. I agreed with it. No, I don't agree with screwing kids...but I did agree that once you made drawing children naked illegal and/or writing words about having sex with them..you'd pretty much have to raid the Vatican to destroy classical statues and architecture, and then burn about 3/4 of classic literature. I didn't look at that link but for a split second...like I said, it's not my thing. But it was just cartoons right? Guys, you can't make what people think illegal, and you can't make what somebody draws on a piece of paper or creates digitally (the moden equivalent) illegal. If you do, you're just handing over the last tiny bits of your freedom to the govt. If you think it's disgusting then don't look at it and don't spend money on it. And hell, don't promote it. Who the fuck knows? Maybe some sick pedo will use that as jack material instead of living out his sick fantasies? But I'm pretty sure from what I've read that pedo's have no interest in cartoons or even bitches in their 20's dressed up like kids. I'm also pretty sure they don't spend a whole lot of time on porn sites too. I have nothing to back any of that up. But from everything I've ever read about them, they seem to be more interested in reality as opposed to virtual stuff, and only use computers to meet real victims in chat rooms and such. I don't know how far things may or may not go with cartoons depicting shit like that. But then again, I don't really care. I take care of my kids and monitor them carefully. There were plenty of pedos 40 years ago when I was a kid and my parents watched over me carefully too. Legally, I don't know what that may or may not lead to. I assume that the Supreme Court has spoken for now. Maybe they'll change their minds later. Since I like women in their mid 20's and up, with big titties and big round asses...I guess it's a non-issue what people do about cartoons. I even wonder if a real CP site has even ever existed that made money? I'm clueless on that one. Hasn't that shit pretty much always existed sort of underground in secret societal circles? I'm unaware that it's ever been a "for profit" thing. But I could be way off-base. That's why I don't think they have ever found a true CP person in this industry. Well, that and the fact that we'd all get together and do it the right way...no govt. needed. Just a ride out to the desert. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-08-2008, 03:49 PM	#21
GetSCORECash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 5,527	Guys this is now considered illegal in the UK. So keep that in mind, when promoting this type of content. __________________ \| skype: getscorecash \| ICQ: 59-271-063 \| New Sites: \| SCORELAND2 \| Roku Channel SCORETV.TV \| 60PLUSMILFS \| \| Big Tit Hooker \| Tits And Tugs \| Big Boobs POV \| Karla James \| \| Naughty Foot Jobs \| Linsey's World \| Busty Arianna Sinn \| Get SCORE Cash \|

06-08-2008, 03:49 PM	#22
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	They totally should start banning shit like this. But lets start with the museums. This sculpture is clearly of an under aged girl. Cant get more life like than that! __________________

06-08-2008, 03:56 PM	#24
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	I'm on my way out the door so this will have to be short. The comparisons to ancient sculpture/art are completely off. There is a major difference between the sculpture posted above and scenes of penetration, sexual dialog, etc. Show me some art in the Vatican portraying underage people and cumshots and I will say that Yes, that is a problem also. I doubt you'll find it tho. It is a stupid comparison to make. Intent and purpose have a lot of influence on what something is. Your greek sculpture wasn't created and intended for someone to fulfill the fantasy of having sex with a child. I wanted to see a link to the supreme court decision as the interpretation of things is often times not the reality of what they are. Lots of speech is protected, as it should be, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. Glad to hear the UK has its head on straight. It isn't going to be the tube sites, government meddling, visa rules, or xsales that will cause this industry long term problems. It will be the total lack of any type of internal policing and the ridiculously low barrier of entry that allows people to jump right in and do things such as this which give us all a bad name. I have to run, but will be back in a few hours. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

06-08-2008, 04:00 PM	#25
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	that is not pseudo child porn, IT IS CHILD PORN, regardless of whether or not it is real photography.

06-08-2008, 04:03 PM	#27
SifuE Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 877	WTF! That is wrong it still puts images of the wrong thing in mind.. I can't believe CCBill lets them convert this __________________ I.C.Q 360-553-673

06-08-2008, 04:04 PM	#28
sysk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,005	We have a new niche ? __________________ icq: 612510168 / email: [email protected] / php ninja 4 hire

06-08-2008, 04:07 PM	#29
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Is it really possible to have a crime without a victim? What level of thought crimes are ok. I mean should I be prosecuted for thinking about pushing someone off of a subway platform just to see if he would bounce of the front of the train or actually splat? If thats ok, if I use computers to make it a fake reality I can share with others then does it become illegal? __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

06-08-2008, 04:10 PM	#31
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	didn't see the link, but you have to think that laws regarding this would be unworkable for example, what if an artist that drew the picture used 18 year old models from which he drew them, does it make it then legal, even if in your interpretation his art style made them look a year younger? what if the artist swears that his drawing is of an 18 year old model, are we to say "no that drawing looks younger than that to us, you are in big trouble and need to be jailed Mr. Artist" it just really seems unworkable to try to go after drawings and artwork...... should words and stories be punishable by jail as well?

06-08-2008, 04:14 PM	#33
sulikk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 66	i wouldnt promote this kind of content

06-08-2008, 04:51 PM	#35
pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I convert perverts like catholic church! Posts: 5,133	Ok I just took a look at the site in question and yes? this is done in very poor taste and definitely smells of CP ?However, laws are made for a reason? either its legal or its illegal There are people who feel the same way about liquor?about porn? about gays about just about anything you can think of but if its legal who are those people to judge them The point I am trying make is this? morals and personal opinion cannot stand as the barometer of legality. While I disagree with this I support their right to produce it as along as its legal

06-08-2008, 05:23 PM	#37
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	I wonder where Mutt is with his Private School Jewel site... hmm... __________________ i like waffles

06-08-2008, 05:36 PM	#38
XMaster Poker Player Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,945	CCBILL does not accept shit like that. Im sure they will stop processing asap. __________________ iStripper 50% revshare since 1998 You missed out on Bitcoin! Don't miss DOLZ.

06-08-2008, 05:38 PM	#39
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Noone was defending red rose and she just wrote fucking stories. It was all she crossed the line fuck her, but life like cartoons are ok? Im confused.

06-08-2008, 05:48 PM	#40
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	Most of the girls on that site seem to be portrayed as actual women. Huge tits, curves, etc. I only see a few that appear younger. But, come on. Look at all the sites out there CCBill's processing where the model looks 14-years-old. That being said, this whole new 3D niche is fucking retarded. To each their own. You'd think they could be sued over the whole Terminator thing, though. __________________ Need a Cheap Design? - Cheap Quality Content Available! Fuck you Michelle Malkin and Fox News

06-08-2008, 05:51 PM	#41
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	This is such an interesting debate and something I've never really thought about. What does happen when these virual models get so realistic looking you can't tell them apart from the real thing? How does one define an age for a character that's not even real, and at what point does it become illegal, if ever? You could create a model of a 14-year-old and just say she's 18. Who would know? Wow. __________________ Need a Cheap Design? - Cheap Quality Content Available! Fuck you Michelle Malkin and Fox News

06-08-2008, 06:18 PM	#42
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	The fact that people on this board are sitting here defending pictures that are obviously meant to portray children having sex is simply astounding. It isn't drawing a line or comparing it to people who want all porn banned. It is child porn. I don't think there is much else to say here __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS! Last edited by TMM_John; 06-08-2008 at 06:19 PM..

06-08-2008, 06:23 PM	#43
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	Who's to say the artist intentionally made them look younger on purpose? Some, if not most, of the girls on that site look old enough. Either way, it's fucking stupid and nothing I'd ever promote anyway. __________________ Need a Cheap Design? - Cheap Quality Content Available! Fuck you Michelle Malkin and Fox News

06-08-2008, 06:35 PM	#47
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06-08-2008, 06:37 PM	#48
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I guess I'm more shocked that CCBill is processing for this site. Maybe times are tough and they're really stretching their limits for what they will process. I believe we've seen a few questionable sites now being billed through CCBill that would have never passed the test years ago. I think this stuff is disgusting regardless of legality. My question though is if this is any different than the sites who take a legal age girl, dress her up to look 13, put her in a child's room, and build a real site around that? There is a lot of that going on right now and I consider that just as disgusting.