And people call me the fucking crazy guy on GFY...

LOL! Jeezuz.

Yer fucked in the head giving support to that sick fuck.

The guy rapes chicks and just because it becomes a movie its all good!

Thats really fucking disturbing folks, seriously disturbing that people will support a supposed right to rape girls on video in the name of free speech.

you're a fucking idiot. i wasnt defending his right to rape anyone. i was saying he should have the right to act out that fantasy with someone who IS CONSENTING. not with some random person off the street who he pulls into his van, blindfolds and rapes in the woods. if max raped every model he every filmed, fuck him. if he raped even one of them, fuck him. the moment they say "ENOUGH", its OVER! but forcing yourself on someone and acting like you are because the camera is there are two different things.

THE END

If he even raped one he is a criminal.
And appearently from what I have been reading he has raped and abused many girls.

Ya still want to stand on his side and his Rights to Freedom?

You think paying a girl a few extra bucks for raping them is fine enough in the name of making a movie to turn a profit? These girls have cried, were handled and beaten, some bleeding, pissed on some wanting to stop during the process.

That legal to you?

Some of you want to believe his shit was made on the legit but the fact is it's not.

Remember when people accused you of sucking cock?

you obviously suffer from the same disease many "webmasters" on this board suffer from. you cant read. you're asking me yet again if i think something is ok when what you quoted specificly answers that question. its not ok to rape anyone. punish max for rape if thats what he did, but dont punish ME if somewhere down the road i decide to make a video like his with someone who enjoys whats portrayed in his movies (GETTING THEIR CONSENT). you were at first against it because it simulated it but now that you see people claim it was actual rape thats your argument. you dont like it, end of story. it has nothing to do with whether or not he ACTUALLY raped anyone. read your first posts in this thread. you'll see. i see now how retarded you are so this will be my last reply to you. ask me again if i support rape. my lack of response will CONFIRM YOUR ARGUMENT!!! hurray for you assclown :321GFY

If a court ever goes after Max on the above pretenses he will certainly be found guilty of rape. I have no doubts whats so ever.

I have problems with the video's not only because they are true rape video's but also even if it was all consentual material it should be labeled as Obscene, Deviant and criminal by community standards.
The laws should apply for the depictions of illegal sexual activity.
Again Violence, rape, incest media which contents as it's whole is nothing but is obscene and now thank god found to be illegal at least by Florida's standards.

I congratulate Florida and it's law makers and prosecuters.

You think thats what these models are doing?
Really is that what you think?

You think these models who have shot many movies and worked great with many guys in this industry have decided to lie about Max Hardcore's methods of production?

I don't. I think what they are saying is true.
Just like some people around here believe what has been said about me.

Is it fair? Whether it's true or not is irrelevant, what stands again is the fact these video's of Max Hardcore portray under age sex, rape and incest. All of which are illegal in the real world his movies contents as a whole depict the act's relentlessly and in detail unlike real movies or film that may contain a minor portion of such an event.

Good god man, give it rest. You sound like Pleasurepays, or whatever that other old woman's name is. Get yourself a glass of milk and a couple of cookies and calm the fuck down.

Why? So that the spin master's can provide the lemmings and lamens with the threat being our Freedom of speech is going down?

I think if people are going to get behind something they should know the whole picture before making a decision.

Our Freedom of Speech is not endangered whats so ever. Max Hardcore is fucking sick his movies depict illegal act's as whole. You people should know exactly what kind of Guy Max Hardcore is before taking sides of what is really a threat to this industry.

Fact is...
It is People like Max Hardcore are the true threat to this industry.
Guys that use our industry as an excuse to commit violent and demeaning crimes against girls.

LOL what do you mean "remember"? I think he is sucking cock and taking one up the ass half the time he posts his fucked up beliefs.

Wow!! Im no Max fan, but this decision will fuck us in the long run.


The issue isn't rape. If he gets found guilty of rape, Fuck him! But he didn't. the issue is obscenity.



The interpretation and miss-interpretation of what obscenity is or isn't is a huge Pandoras box that will be the downfall of our business.


The government will use this as a presiding case (a case that governs future cases) to govern the Evil Angel case and then if found to be obscene, use that decision to govern the next case.



My good friend Jay-Sin shot the Milk Junkie series for Evil Angel. Im not into milk and sex in my porn, but i love the fact that it is different and it is a top seller. He shoots people in furry animal costumes fucking and chicks shooting ping pong balls out of their asses.. Once again, not my thing, but it sells. Should that be obscene too??



Where does the persecution stop? If this max case stands and Evil Angel goes down, it
wont stop...


The picture is much bigger than Max Hardcore.... Open your eyes..:2 cents:

I think that the "Texas Chain Saw Massacre" and "The Passion" was more obscene than anything max does..

The cutting up of live people with a chainsaw and the 3 day torture of a jewish guy half naked in a robe and subsequently nailed to a cross is pretty bad.



Lets go after Mell Gibson for obscenity!!:2 cents:

JustDaveXxx also keep in mind with the Evil Angel case they are glossing over obscene and Miller. It is already presumed to be obscene and that is not up for debate to the jury. It is about website trailers as well as very old school telecommunications laws to transport obscene material across state lines.
They are just asked if the trailer is viewable across state lines and if the material is accessible across state lines and if so does it apply to them. I.E. it is already presumed and will be listed as obscene to the jury as the obscenity is not really in question. Also at issue is allowing access to minors via the web, which was already struck down but oh well.
Then once again Miller is thrown out as a trailer counts as its own "whole". Which would never apply to say an excerpt from the Kinsley report now would it?
The whole case is beyond fubar and Max's case just adds a little more fire to the hearings specially with the venue of EA's trial which is full of people who would fight tooth and nail to keep those tel-co laws in place.

Yet carry on, they will never go after less rough stuff. They will never target anyone doing regular porn. This is not calculated and they also fired assorted DA's for lack of zeal to go versus obscenity and they also added extra funding and hire more people for shits and giggles.

People like Max Hardcore give the rest of us a bad name.

I did yesterday. Not the Max Case in particular, but the biased hypocrisy around it. I can name about 10 sites of long standing board members in here from the top of my head that I personally find objectionable, because they either overemphasize the teen (=underage) appearance of adult models, exploit drug addicts, or glorify violence. But my mind is not the measuring tool.

The measuring tool should be the question if the material shot is between consenting adults and if it promotes illegal activity. If an adult model was exploited by Max this should be tried in a separate rape or abuse case, and not in an obscenity show trial which only targets the adult industry as a whole.

Back to the tubes. We scan the internet on a daily basis for copyright violations and stolen stuff, and I know many tube and share sites. Fact is, Max's material is soft core compared to the nasty shit that's out there. Rape, snuff, scat, animals, torture, you name it. The only difference is that it's all free and non commercial? They wash their hands in innocence because supposedly 'customers' uploaded the sick and often stolen stuff. So how do they make money. I tell you how. On most of these sites you'll find a huge banner of some good old friends of ours on top, mostly Adult Friend Finder or their subsidiaries.

Something that would be interesting to see would be more coverage of the " CHURCH " being taken to court over the kids they have harmed the the families they have destroyed. If they were brought into more focus, and pushed for the crimes " REAL CRIMES " they have committed, then maybe people would start to back off on us, and start going after the real issues.

I agree--thanks for focusing on very important aspects!

Dave

[QUOTE=AlienQ;14294485]PS: Dave Cummings you ever seen Max hardcores stuff?

Per my 2d paragragh in my initial post--which said--"Because of a recent so-called ?jury? decision, I?m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don?t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he?s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into ?getting? Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other ?real? crimes."

---yes, I've seen a little of his work, enough to sexually turn me off to his content; but, no one, including Max IMHO, should be the victim of what this jury "apparently" did (per the link I provided earlier to the AVN/Mark Kernes report of the pressure applied to one or more jury members---see the link in Posting #11 above.

I'm for less Government and all, but I'm with AlienQ on this one.. Fuck that piece of shit. He had it coming.