Revolution? Who's with me? JK LOL. We can do it, it's in the declaration of independance...

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

Yeah, I'm thinking that an appeal is in order here. Good chance of this being overturned.

I'm not shocked by this verdict, though. Seems like in America, porn producers are always getting fucked... no pun intended.

I'm always getting screwed over by the legal system in my area because they know who I am, what I do, and look for every opportunity to mess with me. Last year the city decided to nail me with a "zoning law violation" for shooting nude models in the privacy of my own home and fined me $2,500.00.

Just earlier today I got a notice saying I'm being fined $270.00 for the weeds in my yard being higher than 6", which they're absolutely not (my front yard is way nice), yet all of my neighbor's yards are far worse.

Once the legal system knows who you are, it's all bad news. I feel really bad for Max Hardcore. Hopefully he can fight this verdict.

I agree Jeff! I may find it obscene(which I don't) but it doesn't give the right to invade peoples right to watch it. I'm sure the idea of peeing in someones mouth is totally gross(which it is) but different strokes..different folks..

So I guess you're all for the 1st amendment, as long as what's being said or shown doesn't offend you?

Oh well, shit happens bitch nuts.

no, he does not.... he should be out shopping for towels, to wipe that egg off his face for going to bat for that banana chick....

They got immunity in exchange for testifying against Max. Even though they are the ones that actually shipped the videos in question. They didn't charge Max with shipping the videos to the distributor in CA, JadedVideo.com, they charged him with shipping the videos to FLA. Which he didn't do, Jaded did.

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This wil be appealed and should go all the way to the supreme court. You can NOT use "community standards" when applied to the WORLD WIDE web. That means some DA in some backwater in Alabama can take Hugh Hefner to court over playboy.com for "obscenity" because in his "community" Playboy is obscene.

Very well said.

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That's why we have the first amendment, to protect unpopular speech.
It's the most extreme stuff that needs that protection.

But, I guess we have this great government that we all trust to tell us what is ok to watch. No, no, can't make up your mind for yourself... Oh, ok. then I guess we can just get rid of the first amendment now. We don't need it. The government has it all taken care of.

Have you seen the makeup of the supreme court lately?

I may not agree with what he does but it's his right to do what he does.

It's stacked with right wing nuts, nuts I tell you.

Nixon stacked the court in the 70's too. And they went after porn.

It's the same culture war that's being fueled by the religiuous right wingers in high places. The ones that don't know how to feel about their own sexuality, so, like all crazies, they point the blame at an easy target.

Gosh. This is a sad day in America. Sad.

Besides being an idiot, the President is a liar too
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

If people in this biz weren’t totally retarded, totally disorganized and actually had some guidelines and standards to work and live by this industry wouldn’t have many real legal problems. How about not pushing? how about setting some clear, defensible boundaries and staying within them… rather than always challenging the world to shut you down?

There is a difference between drawing the line in the sand, one which you know can be defended and staying behind it and the totally incorrect assumption that anything and everything you do is somehow Constitutionally protected and to keep pushing the most influential groups in this country to shut you down by making sure they always have the ammo they need to keep firing at you until they hit something.

Right now many of you US idiots want to make the argument that shitting on, pissing on, vomiting on, pissing in girls mouths until they choke and cry etc isn’t “obscene” or isn’t obscene in GodsVillage, Indiana… and most of you then go further to suggest that what he is going through is unfair as if no one really knew that you can’t just mail out totally over the top porn with some old wrinkly fuck pissing into a girls mouth until she starts to choke and cry to any state, county and city in the country without a serious risk of being prosecuted.

Really?

The biggest problem with this industry is that it is full of anti-social idiots with a strong resentment for authority. Thats all fine and well when you are rebelling against your alcoholic father who frequently tried to kiss you or watch you take a bath… but it’s not hardly a winning formula for the long term success of a controversial industry whose greatest enemies are infinitely more organized, deep pocketed and focused on the simple goal of stopping you and that usually have the public and federal government behind them to do it.

The “rights” you many of you seem to think you have in the US are an illusion. People make the laws. People make the laws against people like you. They can because they know you are weak. You are the low hanging fruit of society. They will attack you because they know no one is going to defend you… because you can’t defend yourselves. They will continue to attack you because they can always rely on the fact that you will constantly be throwing whatever offensive thing you do right in their face and daring them to do something about it. And they are fucking you over right now. They are arguing that each one of you is a Max Hardcore,.. no better. A disease in society. Eventually, they will win and you will lose and it will be your fault, because far too many people in this industry are irretrievably damaged, self destructive fuck ups… and because no one will separate you and what you do from the absolute worst of the worst in this biz.

The public doesn’t see (and never will see) “good” and “bad” pornographers. They just see “pornographers” and the public perception of you will never be any better than the publics perception of Max Hardcore and some old guy shitting on an 18 year old runaway while she cries. And its not the publics fault. It’s your fault. You repeatedly make the choice to defend the worst of the worst in a political and social climate where you will eventually lose. You don’t even have the sense to pick and choose battles and choose battles you can win. Instead, you let the worst of the worst in this industry pick a fight on your behalf. Brilliant! Are you fucking kidding me? Eventually you will lose these fights… And once you finally lose… you will lose big because the fight against you will never stop and you don’t have the brains or foresight to organize and defend yourselves, set standards and police yourselves. Instead… you are happy doing lines of cocaine off a strippers ass while complaining about who is President and how unfair life is and will just let the Christian Right do it for you.

How will the government restrict your business because you didn’t have the brains, foresight and organizational skills to put yourself in a defensible position first? Because in the most important fights, you choose to not have a strong defensive plan or even an offense?

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It’s not a question of “if”… only “when” …. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your “right” and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that “right” away because you just can’t and won’t see the bigger picture.

So it might take years before the SC hears the case.

Not anymore it's not. Not ours either.

I would laugh my ass off if a few of the members from the jury beat off to watching the evidence. :)

This is really going to cost Max allot of money! I'm sure he will get off on appeal.

While it does seem extreme, I believe that is the law and it really needs to be changed to redefine community standards. The three part test for determination of obscenity as defined by Miller Vs. California was made in the 1970's. It really needs to be updated to redefine community standards for the internet era.
WG

Consent of the governed? The opinions of the vox populi are the reason Max is in trouble in the first place. The majority of the governed could care less about this trial and a huge number of self-righteous people I'm sure support the decision.

its sucks for Max but I have no doubt he knew this day was coming and has planned for it. So he has the resources for multiple rounds.

This is the same public which in the majority have all watch porn in thier lives and enjoyed it. The same public by the MILLIONS that go the the local porn shop, look on the internet order on PPV or enjoy at the hotel when on vacation. So yes public, see us as evil and don't defned us and one day when you go searching for your porn and it can't be found you have yourself to blame.

That's right. If an idiot took someone to court everytime they found something obscene it would be ridicululous. If they don't like Max Hardcore's work then don't friggin look at it. Some people just like to make court and lawsuits their hobby. I think all of the simple minded omish acting people should start a colony somewhere and allow only what they want into it that way they can stay out of the real world. They need to find a new hobby. :321GFY

And even a conservative SC will not agree with the fact that some backwater community standards should apply tot eh internet. A porn shop is a real building that is in the community. The internet is something that each individual let's or not into his own home. No SC will agree with the fact that your neighbors can dictate what you watch on TV or your computer in the privacy of your own home.

Those aren't my words but he brings up strong points. The motion picture industry stopped government censorship by policing themselves.

Appeal coming for sure. Watch for it.

Give em hell Max. I don't care for your brand of crappola but I'll defend your right to produce it. I've never heard of one model complaining about working with you. Ever.

AVN Story:

Max Hardcore Found Guilty in Obscenity Trial
Jurors find Max and his company guilty on all counts
By: David Sullivan

Posted: 06/05/2008

TAMPA - Producer Max Hardcore (a.k.a. Paul Little) was found guilty of 10 federal counts of distributing obscene materials over the Internet and through the mail.

Little's company Maxworld Entertainment was also found guilty on 10 related charges.

Earlier today, jurors asked U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew for guidance as the jury was having trouble reaching a unanimous decision.

Full Story

My point is people in my area would look down on me for making a living the way I do. Yet these same people are gleefully jacking thier dicks and diddling their pussies to the very same material that I am some sort of "scumbag" for pushing.

Jurors need to be told there's a difference between "distasteful" and "unlawful." Just because the material isn't your personal preference does not make it obscene.

so......where were the Free Speech Coalition peeps during this? hmmmm

F'ing nosy neighbors. It's our right to decide what we watch and what we do as long as it falls within the law, and even out of the law sometimes I believe. I believe Max was within the lines and it's shitty that a jury and a judge whom apparently didn't care much for porn made a biased decision. It's not like his models did it without consent. And because his work is a little more controversial, you know he keeps all of his paperwork handy. I hope he beats this because I think the whole thing is stupid. Why don't they go after child pornographers and molesters instead.

More anlalysis from our legal team should come tomorrow....

One of, if not the, best posts I've ever read here.

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Please do not go there Tony, I do agree with much of what you say however the MPAA is much worse than anything the Government could legally come up with as guidelines. Hell even the CCA is fucking insane if you look over its history starting in 54.

oh your preaching to the choir, ever realize the more righteous the political scumbag then they find out he is trying bang page boys or the minister buying gay whores smoking meth.

your right, watched a documentary on them but you dont see people going to jail for making a movie.

Max would not of needed any legal help and honestly the FSC would just bungle things otherwise. Reality would say that they need to change their name and sell off the 2 phones and whatever office furniture they have.

that was written by PleasurePays - the best poster on any adult board EVER!

Yes, yes and yes. Well said.

The Miller Test is not a very good way to define obscenity. It's plain aweful and overly vague. The way it's written ANY work is subject to an indictement.

Watch the documentary "Inside Deep Throat" it is very educational about how all the obscenity prosections were started by Nixon and the religious right. Crooks.