1.) Cybersquatting requires that there are Trademarks. In this Case is NO active Trademark, therefore it is NO cybersquatting so far.

2.) Stealing? If you own Google's or Yahoo's Traffic than maybe. Before the Traffic arrives on your site it is NOT yours.

3.) I nor copy the whole Sites, metas, nor text, nor images, nor nothing from sleazydream. And how I said before, I'am more than willing to change every related word so that this Doorway does not affect anymore Sleazydreams page.

4.) I maintain about 1.500 Domains and only about 50 are related to some more or less famous Sites. And how I said in a post before it was mostly a test to check some algos of some big SE's.

If you realy think I gain for Free Loaders and Crap Traffic you are false again. It is nearly worthless Traffic.

I'm sure The Hun would like to know about this.

does yahoo and google accept pages like these ?
i didnt think they allowed se spam

I wonder how a big corporation like best buy would feel about you cybersquatting and linking them with porn sites.

this joker will be hearing from my lawyer. I'm hoping he's working on fri, if not then monday.

He will be sued.

All the rest of it aside, I give aleXaleX credit for posting on this thread. That takes balls.

How's the weather in Bulgaria this time of year? :)

Getting cold :(

And how I said before. as you have NO trademark I don't see for what you can sue me? I also made right now another trademark search and even thehun's is pending. However, I now several times have offered to remove and change all related keywords if anybody feels he has copyrights, trademarks or similar rights on the words used. I just can not offer more, sorry.

Come on guys, at least be a little bit fair.

Jesus fuckin christ i got some doorways banned from google for much less than that

kiss your affiliate accounts goodbye as well. I hope there isn't any money in them this month. when they cancel your account you loose EVERYTHING, not just the income you made from sleazydreaming.com

Would you expand upon "banned"?

Question, how is he cheating his sponsors?

When google detects spam like our little friend's page, it's marked as spammed and either gets 0 pagerank or doesn't get indexed in Google.

he's involved in illegial activity with my trademarked term. Once I inform a sponser most terminate the account cause if they don't once they are made aware of illegial activity if they don't shut it down then they are implicated and also legally responsible. Most sponsers are honest people and when they find out about a scum bag like this they terminate the account 9/10 times.

Is that the worse case scenario, it just does not get accepted?

How can you sue him if he lives in Bulgaria?

Fuck that's enough. I believe the domain name used can't also get listed in Google ever again, but i've heard of a few that were "forgiven"

he has income comming out of the USA - I can attack that.

That is what I was getting at. It is not so bad to have a page not indexed (just try again), but I too have heard that the domain name is banned, though I have never known if that is definitive truth. Maybe someone can provide the definitive truth, with a source.

This is a pretty lame thread...
First, it is very immature and un-professional to go and degrade someone's business... in a forum.
Then, making all thse childish threats about what you WILL DO when you REALLY don't have an arguement.
You cannot sue someone for using a domain that is remotely similar, to gather traffic. There are se's that have been duped, and cannot do anything about it.

lol... lets not forget the " i will get your accounts terminated " idea...
That is really far-fetched also... if you don't have an arguement [lack of approved trademark] then the sponsor terminates an account [for a now unwarranted reason] then ............. The sponsor would be held liable for the funds they revoked, plus interest, for terminating a users account for no reason. This would just create a huge clusterfuck, over one domain that merely resembles another. If you want to be successful in your arguements, and not laughed at in the future, for an unsuccessful fight - maybe you should just work out a deal with aleX and be happy.

fool, i understand you work with this guy, maybe I should include you in with him when I goto his sponsers?

I personally see a fine line you are drawing, as he probably is not cheating his sponsors, but may be drawing some of your traffic, but I do agree that some sponsors will terminate his account, as most, if not all, reserve that right anyhow. I am surprised that "thehun" is not trademarked, and is pending, but not it Europe. The Hun claims to have won more that one case for someone using a derivitive of "thehun" domain name. I have always wondered about the truth of that?

Sure... i'd be more than happy to join him - but i don't use sponsors... so have fun! I guess you could go to my CC processors.....................

I don't cheat and never have cheated any Sponsor.

Sleazy just want to talk to his Sponsor Friends to delete my Accounts, that's it.

Sleazy, once again, I CAN'T find your Trademark, all I can see is a PENDING Trademark and that means that you even might not get it for that combination as sleazy and dream are common words, maybe you get the Trademark, who knows, but FACT is that you RIGHT NOW have NO Trademark doesn't matter you think you have or want to have right now.

I made you several offers including changing the whole Page on that Domain into Wet Dreams or Wet Dreaming and removing ALL related words and combinations to your Site and I have offered you this in good will and I have contacted you about your Domain as soon as I saw that you might have rights on it. I still can NOT understand why you don't agree and the problem would be fixed in less than 5 minutes. But seems you are can't calm down and talk and discuss normaly and find solutions.

TheHun has won Several cases. I've had 2 incidents and I won both.

It's not cool to try and STEAL from someone else, and 99% of all sponsers agree with this cause they have the same probelm with cybersquattors on their URLs.

This asshole was just trying to get me to pay him money for the URL. I sue anyone who tries that. I won't pay a cyber squattor a DIME - but Ii dont' give a fuck if it costs me $10K in legal bills. I set aside about $100K US a year for legal fees on this kind of crap - and since I live near WInnipeg I can get a world class international lawyer for about 1/2 of what other major cites will cost you.

one might be able to get away with this shit on a smaller site, but try it on a larger site with some revenue and you will be the one who gets fucked in the end.

trademarks are most effective on dot coms in the usa cause that's where they are registered and subject in many regards to US legislation.


Cybersquattors take note - once someone has a trademark or is even registered for one it means that person has already invested $1000's into protecting their business. It usually means that there is a lawyer for the site on retainer and the site owner isn't afraid to use him.

Do you have a trademark?
Do you have an international trademark?

I'm done with you fools - Take the url down by tomorrow morning or face my wrath.

Are their any links out there to "real" evidence of court cases that The Hun has actually fought. I too have a feeling that this is all talk, and simply a paper tiger showing his cotton ball teeth.

P.S....the above is just out of curiosity...on the other hand...I must agree that this cybersquatter's intent is obviously malicious...grow your own business...don't ride on the success of another's

Wow, I have NOT awaited that you have need of lies in that case. I NEVER EVER wanted one cent from you. Check your ICQ Message History and if you want I have NOTHING if you want to post the whole exchange of messages we had. I never wanted any Money from you. All I have said and offered to YOU was to removing ALL related keywords to your site. NEVER 1 word or suggestion or whatever that I want the Domain sale or offering you. This is a pure lie man. Do you realy have need of such lies?

This is totaly childish and as I see so far it seems that your practices are more bad as you think mine are. You even are not man enough to say the true.

And again, you have NO TRADEMARK Sleazy, so why are you talking all the Time about your Trademark, makes no sense to me.

regisiter a hun url and see what happens to you.

You may want to check http://www.wipo.int there should be listed all disputes, who has won, arguments and desicions. It also has ALL needed resources and describesl all about international law, intelectual ownership and and and....

The last couple of ones that did that I think all he did was Image SRCed them.

If there was a trademark on the terms sleazy I was unable to find one on marksonline btw, then using two "common" words and putting them together doesnt make it ok. THere is case law that can be cited on this unfortunately. (i dont agree with that case however as the findings where way general)

Anyhow with the karas name and the other .nets that are owned he will get approached by the sponsors if they wish and those names will have to be forfeited. Along with those names being forfeited if it can be proven that hes made any financial gains with them then he can be liable for a ton of cash as well under hte anti cybersquatting laws.

Theres a ton of domains involved as it seems. I like to stick to generic names personally but have gotten a few C&D letters in my day from some mainstream folk including mattel, porsche, bmw, massbank, and a couple others... If you play your cards write then nothing really comes of it but if you are arrogant and continue to try to make it seem like you've done nothing wrong then you will end up burned on it.

At least I see him loosing domains, his current sponsors ditching him, or they may slap him on the wrist if hes making htem enough money... he will loose the traffic hes gotten through the engines. he should be blacklisted both in the TGPworld and adult revenue board.

Carlito we've spoken a few times and work together somtimes i would recommend you jump ship and let him find out whats coming. Dont let him bring you down with it as its not worth it, so far you havent done anything wrong. (at least that can be proven so quit while you are ahead)

gl with it and I dont blame you all for being mad you work hard to build a name and traffic then its snagged.

Akex i suggest you contact your registrar or if its you delete the names in question. Dont even botther with trying to talk to people and transferring them to them. Just delete them. If the people contacting you want their name back tell them it will be available for registration after it goes through the cycle period. If they want the name bad enough they can pay you for the transfer costs or else i would delete it. Once you were contacted and told you shouldnt be using the domain... if you kill it you have a lot better of a chance. Then start over doing things legitimately.

-Lou

I'm being more than fair too - he has till I wake up tomorrow to take the url down before I do anything.

Don't toy with my emotions... :)


shemp

omygosh,

this is a good point of the view and for sure I have done some mistakes and played in some cases with fire. Of course.

But I also offer to everybody that has a VALIDE & ACTIVE Trademark the Domain for FREE. I know when I register a Domain that if there is a Trademark I will loose it anyway. I also offered in this case without a VALIDE & ACTIVE Trademark to change the Page immediatly. I'am NOT a Cybersquatter. I agree that the Doorway Pages related to famous Pages is some kind of questionable, but come on, most of you use similar tactics, sometimes even more whorse by copy the whole Page or parts of it.

I even would have given Sleazy this 6.50$ Domain with the funny 100 Tgp uniques on it for FREE and transfered it to him, but as I only got threated, insuluted and offended I have my problems now doing it.

Thx for the suggestions, I saw some points I have to think about and for sure re-do this network of Domains and Doorway Pages. You are just right, nothing to add at all

Alex delete the ones that are questionable and then im sure you have enough domains left that you can setup and use to build linkpop thats where you will get google traffic from anyhow. You can rebuild your network in a month or two. Its definitely good you are going to take some time to think about it. Goodluck and hopefully it works better this time.

Alex a trademark isnt the be all end all :) the problem you will have is that if someone has a site up that is gaining traffic and they have put time effort and money into it. they can sue you for cybersquatting if you are trying to gain profit from their name. You obviously are using the domains in bad faith which is all they have to prove to prove you liable for a lot more than giving htem the name bad. take a look around icann.org tonight and delete the names right afterward. Bad faith doesnt hae to require a trademark.


-Lou

ICQ 3173838

you weren't threatened, you were promised.

sleazy- fame has its price. comes with the territory.

Sell them to me.

I will put them to extra good use.