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cykoe6 · 05-26-2008, 02:48 PM

Most governments, and especially the American system, are just a conglomeration of competing interest groups. What benefits one group does not necessarily benefit the other. I have no faith in anything any government official says, but anyone who understands government bureaucracy knows that by nature big bureaucracies are slow moving, risk averse and generally make a mess of almost everything they are involved in. Bureaucracies and bureaucrats generally are primarily interested in expanding their budgets and keeping the bureaucrats employed. Because of this they generally seek stability.

That is why people with a decent sense of how the government works (or does not work) understand how unlikely it is that a large bureaucracy is capable of complex and risky conspiracies requiring participation and silence by hundreds or thousands of people.

Furthermore it is unlikely for one interest group (say oil companies or defense contractors) to be so powerful that their interests override the interests of competing interest groups (such as the airlines and the shipping industries which are equally large and powerful and who have been severly hurt by the increase in oil prices).

Most things that are being blamed on complex conspiracies and malicious intent (i.e. 9/11 and faulty Iraq intelligence) are actually the result of standard bureaucratic incompetence.

theking · 05-26-2008, 02:59 PM

"Most things that are being blamed on complex conspiracies and malicious intent (i.e. 9/11 and faulty Iraq intelligence) are actually the result of standard bureaucratic incompetence."

Sums it up pretty well.

pocketkangaroo · 05-26-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Is seems like that the GFY socialists have no problem entrusting healthcare to the goverment, even when the government has done a great job bankrupting medicare/medicaid and social security.

We should also get rid of the military, schools, police forces, fire departments, and roads that are produced by socialists. It's amazing how some people will point to one thing (healthcare) as socialism but don't bother to point out the other 10,000 things are government does that is socialist.

12clicks · 05-27-2008, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Wow, I'm shocked you came into this thread.

You're so predictable

the truth is always predictable. In your world it may change. In mine it doesn't.

StuartD · 05-27-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

the truth is always predictable. In your world it may change. In mine it doesn't.

Wow, you call yourself the truth now?
It's amazing you fit through doors with a head that big

stephane76 · 05-27-2008, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Because people are idiots but why do you think i'ts just Americans? Fuck, the French, are worse than us. The whole BS about the French being against the war in Iraq same as the Russians was total fucking Bull Shit.

The only reason they were against the war, because they were making money from Saddam and they knew they wouldn't get a big cut out of the war profiting.

Stop watching government regulated tv channels like FOX or CNN ... seems like you have internet, do some research.
Only reason why they were against it was because they knew they didn't have any weapons of MD and so far... they are right!

stephane76 · 05-27-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Bush lost the popular vote.. (IE the people's vote) The majority of the people did not vote for him, but unfortunately the electoral college didn't work the way it was supposed to and issues with the recount allowed him to be re-elected.

watch this on hbo
www.hackingdemocracy.com

12clicks · 05-27-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Wow, you call yourself the truth now?
It's amazing you fit through doors with a head that big

arrogance comes with accomplishments.

you have neither and therefore can't understand either.

geedub · 05-27-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaLord

Yet they voted for Bush again despite what went on during the first election?

bush stole both of those elections, but it doesn't matter.. gore would of taxed carbon, kerry is just a douche bag too.

it doesn't matter, these fuckers are talking heads.. puppets.. theres a bigger picture out there, how about that south american union formed this past friday out of fucking nowhere. i NEVER heard a single thing about that. NAU is next, globalism is on the way!

i think people know, they are just brainwashed and scared.. too scared to want to believe that we're straight fucked. thousand years of darkness to come

make sure to get your rifles before 2009, theres gunna be another ban

stephane76 · 05-27-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

When you have handful of people that control the media it makes it a lot easier to keep fresh ideas out and package the same ideas as different.

bingo!

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

American's don't believe what the Government tells them they believe what the MEDIA tells them and since the MEDIA works with the government.... yah..

and Bingo again!

StuartD · 05-27-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

arrogance comes with accomplishments.

you have neither and therefore can't understand either.

uh huh, thanks for contributing to the discussion.

Good to know you'll never change.

12clicks · 05-27-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

uh huh, thanks for contributing to the discussion.

Good to know you'll never change.

right back at you, sig whore.

StuartD · 05-27-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

right back at you, sig whore.

Just curious, do you even know what a sig whore is?

12clicks · 05-27-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Just curious, do you even know what a sig whore is?

a troll who's known for nothing other than posting on boards in an attempt to be seen and have his sig seen.

stuart, you're known for absolutely nothing in this business and if you left tomorrow, no one's business would notice.

StuartD · 05-27-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

a troll who's known for nothing other than posting on boards in an attempt to be seen and have his sig seen.

stuart, you're known for absolutely nothing in this business and if you left tomorrow, no one's business would notice.

And here I thought you were talking about truth. And yet, you keep proving yourself wrong. You shouldn't do both in the same thread, it's embarrassing.

12clicks · 05-27-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

And here I thought you were talking about truth. And yet, you keep proving yourself wrong. You shouldn't do both in the same thread, it's embarrassing.

stuart, poor boy, if there's some accomplishment we've somehow missed, please, child, fill us in.

this would be such a big moment for you, finally proving me wrong!
I'm sure you'll take me up on it.

StuartD · 05-27-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

stuart, poor boy, if there's some accomplishment we've somehow missed, please, child, fill us in.

this would be such a big moment for you, finally proving me wrong!
I'm sure you'll take me up on it.

I'm in my 30's so to be a child compared to you would make you... what? 60?
It is amusing however how you are unable to stay on topic about anything, would lend more truth to the old timer's theory.

In any event, since you can't follow along... you were discussing me being a sigwhore, then proved yourself wrong, since I do not post to get myself nor my sig seen. But then, you know everything about me and how I stopped posting for over 3 months.

By the way, is this one of your accomplishments?

Ready to get back to discussing people's trust in governments or is your inability to keep your attention in one place for 5 minutes still affecting your lack of judgment?

czarina · 05-27-2008, 07:45 AM

I agree that Americans will swallow anything their government tells them, but isn't it that way with most countries anyway?

StuartD · 05-27-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by czarina

I agree that Americans will swallow anything their government tells them, but isn't it that way with most countries anyway?

Sadly yes. I think it's just more pronounced in the US because of how much media attention it gets around the world.

12clicks · 05-28-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

I'm in my 30's so to be a child compared to you would make you... what? 60?
It is amusing however how you are unable to stay on topic about anything, would lend more truth to the old timer's theory.

In any event, since you can't follow along... you were discussing me being a sigwhore, then proved yourself wrong, since I do not post to get myself nor my sig seen. But then, you know everything about me and how I stopped posting for over 3 months.

By the way, is this one of your accomplishments?

Ready to get back to discussing people's trust in governments or is your inability to keep your attention in one place for 5 minutes still affecting your lack of judgment?

so then just to be clear, we haven't missed any of your accomplishments.
funny how I'm never wrong about sig whores.

StuartD · 05-28-2008, 06:02 AM

Hmm... thread is bumped but I see no new post.
I can only imagine who could possibly have posted with a hard on for me still

12clicks · 05-28-2008, 06:30 AM

poor little stuart! talked himself into another hole he can't dig himself out of.

Kudles · 05-28-2008, 11:57 AM

Tell me about it I feel the same way.

severe · 05-28-2008, 12:16 PM

i think the real question is not why do so many people trust their govt, since u cant really tell what people are thinking, you can only go by their actions, why do so many people do nothing when their govt does something they dont like. and the answer is simple IMO: americans are by and large happy with their life. ie, i may not like the way the govt is heading, but really im in a good place so why would i go and ruin it...
theres no real hardship to actually have the need to do something. for the most part if you have a decent head on ur shoulders u can buy food, shelter, clothing, a car and luxuries like a nice flatscreen tv etc..

crockett · 05-28-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stephane76

Stop watching government regulated tv channels like FOX or CNN ... seems like you have internet, do some research.
Only reason why they were against it was because they knew they didn't have any weapons of MD and so far... they are right!

Are you that daft...

05-26-2008, 02:48 PM	#51
cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	Most governments, and especially the American system, are just a conglomeration of competing interest groups. What benefits one group does not necessarily benefit the other. I have no faith in anything any government official says, but anyone who understands government bureaucracy knows that by nature big bureaucracies are slow moving, risk averse and generally make a mess of almost everything they are involved in. Bureaucracies and bureaucrats generally are primarily interested in expanding their budgets and keeping the bureaucrats employed. Because of this they generally seek stability. That is why people with a decent sense of how the government works (or does not work) understand how unlikely it is that a large bureaucracy is capable of complex and risky conspiracies requiring participation and silence by hundreds or thousands of people. Furthermore it is unlikely for one interest group (say oil companies or defense contractors) to be so powerful that their interests override the interests of competing interest groups (such as the airlines and the shipping industries which are equally large and powerful and who have been severly hurt by the increase in oil prices). Most things that are being blamed on complex conspiracies and malicious intent (i.e. 9/11 and faulty Iraq intelligence) are actually the result of standard bureaucratic incompetence. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

05-26-2008, 02:59 PM	#52
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	"Most things that are being blamed on complex conspiracies and malicious intent (i.e. 9/11 and faulty Iraq intelligence) are actually the result of standard bureaucratic incompetence." Sums it up pretty well. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

05-28-2008, 06:02 AM	#71
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Hmm... thread is bumped but I see no new post. I can only imagine who could possibly have posted with a hard on for me still __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

05-28-2008, 06:30 AM	#72
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,799	poor little stuart! talked himself into another hole he can't dig himself out of. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

05-27-2008, 07:45 AM	#68
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	I agree that Americans will swallow anything their government tells them, but isn't it that way with most countries anyway?

05-28-2008, 11:57 AM	#73
Kudles Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Here There and Everywhere Posts: 5,477	Tell me about it I feel the same way.

05-28-2008, 12:16 PM	#74
severe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 331	i think the real question is not why do so many people trust their govt, since u cant really tell what people are thinking, you can only go by their actions, why do so many people do nothing when their govt does something they dont like. and the answer is simple IMO: americans are by and large happy with their life. ie, i may not like the way the govt is heading, but really im in a good place so why would i go and ruin it... theres no real hardship to actually have the need to do something. for the most part if you have a decent head on ur shoulders u can buy food, shelter, clothing, a car and luxuries like a nice flatscreen tv etc..