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Old 05-21-2008, 03:32 PM   #1
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Obama's gaffes start to pile up.

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign, 46 days old on Tuesday, has run into some speed bumps, created because of a series of missteps magnified because he is under microscopic scrutiny.


It's too early to say whether the gaffes slow Obama's momentum -- or if they become barricades, extracting a more significant price for the Illinois Democrat's White House bid. They are getting noticed.

Consider the items that have been accumulating since Obama announced on Feb. 10:

? Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together "because of what happened in Selma." Obama was born in 1961.

? Obama told Larry King on CNN -- asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers -- "We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that."

Obama did not know what he was talking about. Any professional media consultant can manipulate images on video. Turns out the creator -- unmasked last week as a political operative who worked for a firm overseeing the technical side of Obama's Web site -- made it at home on a Mac.

? Obama, asked if homosexuality was immoral, in the wake of comments by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Peter Pace, sidestepped the question. After pressure from gay groups, Obama issued a statement stating he did not agree with Pace "that homosexuality is immoral."

Cynicism is like terrorism?
? One of Obama's stump lines is that the biggest obstacle he fights is not any of his rivals, it is cynicism. He used a variation of it during a reception he hosted at a conference here sponsored by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Displaying a tin ear, Obama said that one of the enemies is not "just terrorists" or "just Hezbollah" or "just Hamas" -- "it's also cynicism."

? The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.

Insider or outsider?
? Another Obama stump line -- he said it again Tuesday morning to the Communications Workers of America here -- is that "I've been long enough in Washington to know that Washington needs to change." He is running against Washington yet his campaign is populated with political professionals who are Washington insiders.

? Obama's embrace of some rhetoric used by rival John Edwards is getting attention. Edwards, in a 2003 speech made for his first presidential run said, "I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."

Bill Burton, an Obama spokesman, said in reaction to the Obama stumbles: "If there are people looking for a candidate running to be the darling of the Washington insider crowd, this campaign is not for them. We are encouraged by the growing, unflinching support of Americans who believe we can transform our country by changing our politics."
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The man is a born liar.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:36 PM   #3
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The right wing hate mail is starting.
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of course it is. That is why you should not lie about the dumbest things

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So he didn't say these things ?
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I dont know if he said those things if you tell me where you got that. I can give you a better answer.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:42 PM   #8
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We will see more of this. The guy hasn't been in public office long enough for there to be a whole lot of actual political dirt on him so they will focus on anything they can find.

Imagine how many times McCain has lied or misspoken in his 30+ years in politics. The list could probably go on for a while.
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The man is a born liar.
to be in politics you have to be a good liar
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A lot more of his lies can be found in Obamas book. He has a lot of little lies. I believe the acid skin lie and 'Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together "because of what happened in Selma." Obama was born in 1961.' are both in his book

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LOL.. NOBODY has been caught in more lies so far than Mccain. The guy doesnt even know who the leader of Iran is. Sore losers you are.
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When McCain beats Obama people will blame Hil. Of course, people are ignorant.
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Of course, all those thing are much more important than not knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shia by saying that Iran (Shiite) is supporting al-Qaeda (Sunni).
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:59 PM   #15
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I'm pretty sure the right wing will get their hands full of the same shit they give others this time. You seriously have to have mental problems in order to vote for the republicans when you know how bad things are in the US.

Someone sent me a message on ICQ last time I said something (about the republicans) and completely trashed me for 15 minutes with everything from "you fat white danish cunt" and God knows what. After 15 minutes he said "can I have a free listing on worldsex.com?"
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* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

* McCain claims to have considered and not considered joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* McCain’s campaign unveiled a Social Security policy that the senator would implement if elected, which did not include a Bush-like privatization scheme. In March 2008, McCain denounced his own campaign’s policy.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* In November 2007, McCain reversed his previous position on a long-term presence for U.S. troops in Iraq, arguing that the “nature of the society in Iraq” and the “religious aspects” of the country make it inevitable that the United States “eventually withdraws.” Two months later, McCain reversed back, saying he’s prepared to leave U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
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of course it is. That is why you should not lie about the dumbest things
Or things that are easily verifiable.
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Torture
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McCain 11/16/07: "One of the things that kept us going when I was in prison in North Vietnam was that we knew that if the situation were reversed, that we would not be doing to our captors what they were doing to us"

"I want to tell you. Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney all think it is O.K. They have one thing in common. They don’t understand the military and the culture of this nation. If they did, they could never condone such behavior."
AFTER
McCain votes against a ban on CIA torture.

Special Interests
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McCain: "I'm the only one special interests don't give any money to."
AFTER
McCain's campaign manager and many key campaign officials are telecom lobbyists, who have given at least $765,000 to his campaign (and that's just one special interest)

Campaign Finance Laws
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McCain author of McCain Feingold amendment, limiting use of soft money in campaigns.
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3/21/08: McCain likely in violation of campaign finance laws.

Jerry Falwell
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McCain 2/28/2000: "I am a pro-life, pro-family fiscal conservative, an advocate of a strong defense, and yet Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and a few Washington leaders of the pro-life movement call me an unacceptable presidential candidate. They distort my pro- life positions and smear the reputations of my supporters. Why? Because I don't pander to them, because I don't ascribe to their failed philosophy that money is our message."

McCain 2/29/2000: calls Robertson and Falwell "agents of intolerance."
AFTER
McCain gives commencement speech at Falwell's Liberty University, cozies up to Falwell.

Iraq
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McCain 9/29/02: “We’re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad. We may have to take out buildings, but we’re not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies.”

McCain 1/22/03: “But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily.”
AFTER
McCain: 1/4/07: "When I voted to support this war, I knew it was probably going to be long and hard and tough, and those that voted for it and thought that somehow it was going to be some kind of an easy task, then I’m sorry they were mistaken. Maybe they didn’t know what they were voting for."

Abortion
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McCain 8/24/99: "But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
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McCain 2/18/07: "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned"

Bush's tax cuts
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McCain 5/26/01: "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief."
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In 2006 McCain votes to extend Bush tax cuts

Ethanol
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McCain 11/03: "Ethanol is a product that would not exist if Congress didn't create an artificial market for it. No one would be willing to buy it. Yet thanks to agricultural subsidies and ethanol producer subsidies, it is now a very big business - tens of billions of dollars that have enriched a handful of corporate interests - primarily one big corporation, ADM. Ethanol does nothing to reduce fuel consumption, nothing to increase our energy independence, nothing to improve air quality."
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McCain 8/06: "I support ethanol and I think it is a vital, a vital alternative energy source not only because of our dependency on foreign oil but its greenhouse gas reduction effects."

Confederate Flag
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McCain 1/12/00: "Personally, I see the flag as symbol of heritage."
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McCain 4/19/00: "I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles."

Gun control
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In 2001, McCain and Lieberman introduce legislation to regulate gun shows.
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McCain 4/19/07: "I strongly support the Second Amendment and I believe the Second Amendment ought to be preserved, which means no gun control"

Moqtada al Sadr
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McCain week of 3/16/08: "His influence has been on the wane for a long time."
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4/1/08: "I said he was still major player and his influence is going to have to be reduced and gradually eliminated."

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4/11/08: "Let me make it clear, that in these challenging times, I am committed to using all the resources of this government and great nation to create opportunity and make sure that every deserving American has a good job and can achieve their American dream."
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How dare someone's opinions change.
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let's talk some more about Obamas Gaffes
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How dare someone's opinions change.
hehe... you mean how dare someone pander.
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So he didn't say these things ?
Did you really think the things this guy says and what he really stands for will make a difference to a bunch of GFY socialists where 75% think 9-11 was inside job, who agree with Reverend Wright's hate speech and anti-American rhetoric, and who consider Keith Olbermann a fine "journalist" ?

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who consider Keith Olbemann a fine "journalist" ?
You mean like Rush Limpbrain or Bill O'Rly? Gah! Republicans are toast in the fall... you might as well concede and bend over.
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It's a good thing non of the other people running for president or any other political office in the history of democracy lie, or we could end up in a bad spot.
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Republicans are toast in the fall... you might as well concede and bend over.
At least you are willing to admit that a Democratic president will result in us all getting fucked.
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At least you are willing to admit that a Democratic president will result in us all getting fucked.
No Mccain will be elected, make motercycles cool again, save us from the big bad wolf, while getting rid of the special intrest groups.

You really are a tard.
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No Mccain will be elected, make motercycles cool again, save us from the big bad wolf, while getting rid of the special intrest groups.

You really are a tard.
Coming from the guy with a paultard sig that spells at the same level as a 3rd grader.
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Obamas lies about his connection to Rezko could just be enough to seal his fate. The court case is about to get into gear and you can expect to hear Obamas name come up more and more. Here's a good 5 part investigation on the corruption that seems rampant within the Illinois political establishment, both Democrat and Republican, and Obamas connections to it. So much for his claims of "change". Whats interesting is that Obama has plans to roll out some of the same programs on the Federal level(see part 5) that both parties used in Illinois to siphon public money to their political supporters and their companies.

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Republicans have enough damaging information against Barack Obama to knock him off the ballot before the November election. Those at the top of the Democratic Party know this by now and voters need to recognize that if they nominate him they are throwing the election. Nothing else can explain why they would allow this disaster to happen.

The investigation called "Operation Board Games" will lead to Obama's downfall and it will begin with what he claims was a "boneheaded" mistake in entering into real estate deal with the Syrian-born immigrant, Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, less than a month after Rezko received a $3.5 million loan from the Iraqi-born billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, who ended up with Riverside Park, a $2.5 billion 62-acre development project in the Chicago Loop.

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US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald does not make a habit of destroying pubic officials by listing them in indictments for no reason and the only two political candidates identified as receiving campaign money from Operation Board Games kickback schemes are Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and the US Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama.

Instead of referring to Board Games as the “Rezko” case, before long the media will likely be calling it the “Blagojevich” case. However, because the governor did not become the presidential candidate, when the scandal is recorded in the history books it will be the “Barack Obama” case.

Curtain Time Part II will show that Obama was the inside guy in the Illinois senate as far as setting up the Health Facilities Planning Board to extort contributions from companies in exchange for the approval of applications to build medial facilities.

Obama was chairman of the Senate Health & Human Services Committee in January 2003. A few articles in the media have mentioned that Obama sat on a committee that reviewed matters related to the Planning Board in conjunction with the Governor's staff but none have discussed his integral part in getting the bill passed

A review of senate records from January 2003 to August 2003, shows Obama played a major role as chairman of that committee, in pushing through Senate Bill 1332, that led to the "Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act," which reduced the number of members on the Board from 15 to 9, making the votes much easier to rig.

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Three days after the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Aiham Alsammarae, the former electricity minister convicted of corruption in Iraq, put up $2.7 million in property to help raise $8.5 million to free Tony Rezko from jail in Chicago, the Times reported that Alsammarae had contributed six times to Obama's presidential campaign.

The April 29, 2008 report also noted that before he escaped from jail in Bagdad in December 2006, and returned to Chicago, Obama's US Senate office had sought information about Alsammarae from the State Department on October 16, 2006 on behalf of Alsammarae's family while he was being held in jail in Iraq.

As usual, when busted on the contributions given in January, February and March, the Obama camp said it would donate Alsammarae's money to charity and his spokesman, Ben LaBolt, put out the standard line that Obama does not ever "recall" meeting Alsammarae.


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However, that might not be so easy. US attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has made quite a name for himself eliminating the corruption in Illinois right down the line from the governor’s office to the Cook County Board to Mayor Richard Daley’s political mafia in Chicago.

And Illinois voters are behind their new Elliot Ness. A May 30, 2007 poll by the Glengariff Group found voters support the job he is doing by "a very wide and very strong margin.”

The poll asked voters if they approve or disapprove and 62.4% approve while only 11.4% disapprove. The poll showed his highest approval came from non-Chicago, Cook County voters at 73.6% approve and 9.1% disapprove with highest overall approval coming from Democrats.

On April 15, 2008, the Combine was dealt a major blow when an appellate court upheld Fitzgerald’s conviction of four men charged with running the corrupt hiring system in Daley's City Hall. The written ruling states in part: "It is hard to take too seriously the contention that the defendants did not know that by creating a false hiring scheme that provided thousands of lucrative city jobs to political cronies, falsifying documents and lying repeatedly about what they were doing, they were perpetrating a fraud.”

"By setting up a false bureaucracy, the defendants arguably cheated the city out of hundreds of millions of dollars," the judges wrote.

“The ruling sent waves of angst through City Hall, Gov. Blagojevich's office and other government offices where some had hoped the court would find the age-old practice of giving plum government jobs to cronies was legal,” the April 16, 2008, Sun-Times reported.
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To understand how the Combine works in Illinois it's important to recognize that the state is divided into three levels of political clout, beginning with Chicago, Cook County and the state of Illinois, according to Chicago columnist Ray Hanania.

It's also important to remember that in December 2004, when Obama went house-hunting with his real estate fairy Tony Rezko, he did not consider the adverse effects on his presidential bid because Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich was still the candidate.

Rezko knew the Feds were after him and even hired an attorney prior to December. During his bond hearing on January 16, 2007, the judge asked him, "when did you first become aware that you were under federal investigation?"

"Your Honor," he said, "officially we were never told; but, over a year ago, maybe two years ago."

"Okay," the judge said, "You were not told -- well, they may (not) have told you that you were a target, but you have had Mr. Duffy for a while."

"When did you first hire Mr. Duffy?" she asked.

"Two years now," Rezko replied. Duffy clarified the situation stating: "I believe it was '04, your Honor. Sometime in '04."

The "Mr I did not know candidate"

Throughout his campaign, Obama has publicly claimed he was unaware that Rezko was under investigation for influence peddling in the months leading up to the time he bought the mansion in June 2005. In fact, he will still only admit that he should have known by the time he bought part of the lot next door from Rita Rezko in January 2006.

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