Poll on what you think of Bush??

[Angelina77]

What do you think about this?


This is what he is saying to us!!!

[M0nk]

bush... every one should just shave it....

[SilentKnight]

We have GWB to thank (directly and indirectly) for a lot of the shit that's happening in the world these days.

Bush's legacy is he'll go down in history as the worst President that ever sat in office.

[After Shock Media]

As much as I dislike his actions and just about everything else you lost the arguement on the first post due to Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Bush's legacy is he'll go down in history as the worst President that ever sat in office.

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries, he could very well be looked on favorably as someone who had a "positive" impact in the world with his "visionary" actions... History rarely remembers all the little crap like the fucked up US economy, the quantity of people killed in the process etc. etc. etc.

[lukeump]

The general feeling in the UK and picture portrayed by the media is that Bush is as thick as shit and however much I love them, Americans are completely brainwashed.

[Violetta]

If he owned a webmaster program, he'd shave!

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Rockatansky

If he owned a webmaster program, he'd shave!

Shaving requires intelligence and technically brings a positive to the bottom line.

I think if he owned a webmaster affiliate program he would take out massive loans against his very expensive yet handed to him domains at a high interest rate and launch a DOS attack against one of the largest content suppliers while declaring he is doing it to liberate the content instead of finding an alternative way to achieve content production. This of course uses up almost all of his resources so he must then divert nearly all traffic to his friends websites.

[dav3]

lololzzz

[madawgz]

i miss the days when the exchange rate was 1.40

[Odin]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries, he could very well be looked on favorably as someone who had a "positive" impact in the world with his "visionary" actions... History rarely remembers all the little crap like the fucked up US economy, the quantity of people killed in the process etc. etc. etc.

You guys need to learn democracy keeps electing the people you don't like. Democracy is not a good thing in these regions, at least not yet. It's better to have a benevolent, Western thinking dictator like there is in Jordan. The only thing democracy will bring in Iraq is another strict-Islamic Government that hates the US.

[IntenseJerry]

Landing strip or smooth...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

We have GWB to thank (directly and indirectly) for a lot of the shit that's happening in the world these days.

Bush's legacy is he'll go down in history as the worst President that ever sat in office.

You said worst? So WTF he was elected for a second term? Aren't the American people choose him to rule the country for another 4 years?

[just a punk]

BTW, YOU have elected him. So you should feel fine with it. Isn't it? Does it mean that USA is not ready for a real democracy?

[en21]

he is a big time loser

[potter]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

You said worst? So WTF he was elected for a second term? Aren't the American people choose him to rule the country for another 4 years?

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

BTW, YOU have elected him. So you should feel fine with it. Isn't it? Does it mean that USA is not ready for a real democracy?

Actually what happened. The 2004 Election was stolen. The main way, was in primary states where a win was needed. The GOP (republican party - Bush's "peeps") went through rural back town middle of no where areas (mostly gun loving, hick town, hard core religious), where people didn't really come out to vote. And they got these people in incredible numbers to come out and vote the day of. Basically, Bush should have lost the election on all accounts. Had the voting gone how it normally does. He would have not gotten nearly enough votes and would have lost big time.

It's like you have a room of 100 people. 50 of which normally vote. Projected votes, and current standings show those 50 people voting for Kerry. Then at the last minute, behind everyone's back. Bush comes in and lobbies at least 30-40 of the non voters to come forward and vote. Suddenly giving Bush the lead, and the win.

That wasn't even the half of it either. There was a TON of other dirty tricks used. Like not allowing Democratic votes to count, or stopping Democratic voters from even voting.


http://www.google.com/search?q=2004+stolen+election
Look it up yourself.

[potter]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...lection_stolen

great fuckin article.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries, he could very well be looked on favorably as someone who had a "positive" impact in the world with his "visionary" actions... History rarely remembers all the little crap like the fucked up US economy, the quantity of people killed in the process etc. etc. etc.

And it also possible that iBill will pay everybody what they owe them and be remembered as a great processor but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

As much as I dislike his actions and just about everything else you lost the arguement on the first post due to Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies.

Speaking to the Israeli Knesset last week, President Bush attacked those who "believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals." Bush stated: "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...th_hitler.html


seems he dind't get the memo ...

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries, he could very well be looked on favorably as someone who had a "positive" impact in the world with his "visionary" actions... History rarely remembers all the little crap like the fucked up US economy, the quantity of people killed in the process etc. etc. etc.

LOL. What a ludacris statement. Very hopefull wishing at best. Democracy will NEVER take hold in Iraq or Afganistan. EVER. You see in history class they tought you about something called the American Revolutionary War. Thats where a large group of people took to a land and fought for their indendance from another country.

In this instance we are like the British, not the soon to become Americans that fought Britain. So you see history has taught us that you cannot force your beliefs upon others without revolt. We did not lose the war against Britain, so what makes you think they will lose to us and all of sudden want a democratic nation. Fucking fool.

[MichelleB]

Don't even get me started on this.

[CDSmith]

[severe]

Originally Posted by Angelina77

What do you think about this?

misleading, overlay that with the national debt.

not to say bush hasnt screwed both over. but clinton wasnt really a contributing saint as that chart tries to show.

[potter]

Originally Posted by severe

but clinton wasnt really a contributing saint as that chart tries to show.

it's not trying to show Clinton as a contributing saint. it's trying to show that the deficit dropped after Bush took office. insert Clinton's name with any generic one because the name prior to Bush's is irrelevant.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries, he could very well be looked on favorably as someone who had a "positive" impact in the world with his "visionary" actions... History rarely remembers all the little crap like the fucked up US economy, the quantity of people killed in the process etc. etc. etc.

The glaring flaw in your logic is the word "IF"...

Democracy, peace and stabilization will never happen in the MiddleEast (as others have already pointed out) - and IF by some miracle it ever does...it likely won't be the result of the U.S. intervention.

There's a bigger picture besides the fucked up U.S. economy and those killed in the pursuit of Bush's "visionary actions." There's the little matter of world oil prices as a result of political/corporate manipulation and global destabilization.

It affects us all, not just America.

I stand by my assertion that history won't be kind to Mr. Bush when the smoke clears. The shit he's pulled during his double term in office won't be forgotten by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I'll bet historians will reveal a LOT in years to come about the backroom shenanigans he's engaged in to further his own personal agendas.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

LOL. What a ludacris statement. Very hopefull wishing at best. Democracy will NEVER take hold in Iraq or Afganistan. EVER. You see in history class they tought you about something called the American Revolutionary War. Thats where a large group of people took to a land and fought for their indendance from another country.

In this instance we are like the British, not the soon to become Americans that fought Britain. So you see history has taught us that you cannot force your beliefs upon others without revolt. We did not lose the war against Britain, so what makes you think they will lose to us and all of sudden want a democratic nation. Fucking fool.

What's ludicrous is you comparing what happened in the US to what's going on over there... It's also nice to see that you didn't actually say anything in those 2 paragraphs. You make a bold statment like democrocy will never take hold and then you go on to talk about the US.. How about backing up that statement with some applicable facts or at least a coherent argument.

And let me expand a little on what I said.. democrocy doesn't need to be true democrocy (which in fact I don't think any country actually has anyway) in order to stabalize the area... Russia has it's fake democrocy... China only has democrocy in it's villages etc. Along with the perception that what the people want matters, what will also stabalize the area is money and capatalism... Once people get more involved with making money and pulling themselves out of poverty, they'll become content. You get people out of poverty, but not so rich that they have the free time to think about their crappy government etc. and you've got them controlled.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The glaring flaw in your logic is the word "IF"...

Democracy, peace and stabilization will never happen in the MiddleEast (as others have already pointed out) - and IF by some miracle it ever does...it likely won't be the result of the U.S. intervention.

How is "IF" a flaw? How about actually expounding on your statment that democrocy, peace etc. will never take hold?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by potter

it's not trying to show Clinton as a contributing saint. it's trying to show that the deficit dropped after Bush took office. insert Clinton's name with any generic one because the name prior to Bush's is irrelevant.

If by "dropped" you mean it got bigger, then we are in agreement.

During the Clinton years the USD was worth over 50% more than it is now on the world market, and on that chart they were showing a surplus economic situation. Very simplistic way to look at it, there are obviously thousands of other factors to be considered.... but the fact is a lot of people think in simplistic terms and will vote based on that view.

Clinton - surplus, strong dollar.
Bush -- plunges US into the trillions in debt, weakest dollar in recent history

It's going to affect some people's votes, is all I'm saying.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

How is "IF" a flaw? How about actually expounding on your statment that democrocy, peace etc. will never take hold?

No sweat.

Blue.

The color of your face from holding your breath waiting for peace in the Middle East.

Remember - blue.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Tempest

What's ludicrous is you comparing what happened in the US to what's going on over there... It's also nice to see that you didn't actually say anything in those 2 paragraphs. You make a bold statment like democrocy will never take hold and then you go on to talk about the US.. How about backing up that statement with some applicable facts or at least a coherent argument.

And let me expand a little on what I said.. democrocy doesn't need to be true democrocy (which in fact I don't think any country actually has anyway) in order to stabalize the area... Russia has it's fake democrocy... China only has democrocy in it's villages etc. Along with the perception that what the people want matters, what will also stabalize the area is money and capatalism... Once people get more involved with making money and pulling themselves out of poverty, they'll become content. You get people out of poverty, but not so rich that they have the free time to think about their crappy government etc. and you've got them controlled.

I think my analogy of our very own revolutionary war was spot on. How about you show me a country that has ever taken on anothers beliefs just because the invading country bombed their civilians? You speak nothing thats whay you did not have one single rebuttal to my analogy. Let me guess, you have never worn the uniform or been deployed on a hazardous mission. Bet not. but i bet you are working on your PHD.....ROFL!

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

No sweat.

Blue.

The color of your face from holding your breath waiting for peace in the Middle East.

Remember - blue.

Sweet.. someone else that will just blow smoke but won't debate their belief...

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I think my analogy of our very own revolutionary war was spot on. How about you show me a country that has ever taken on anothers beliefs just because the invading country bombed their civilians? You speak nothing thats whay you did not have one single rebuttal to my analogy. Let me guess, you have never worn the uniform or been deployed on a hazardous mission. Bet not. but i bet you are working on your PHD.....ROFL!

a·nal·o·gy
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:

The fact that you actually think there's an analogy between the people overthrowing their rulers (US revolutionary war) and a country doing it for the people of another country (US in Iraq), just goes to show that you clearly don't have the chops to debate this.. Trying to twist the topic into something entirely different is another strong indication.

[2012]

he's almost gone.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Tempest

a·nal·o·gy
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:

The fact that you actually think there's an analogy between the people overthrowing their rulers (US revolutionary war) and a country doing it for the people of another country (US in Iraq), just goes to show that you clearly don't have the chops to debate this.. Trying to twist the topic into something entirely different is another strong indication.

Rebuttal

"In law, rebuttal is a form of evidence that is presented to contradict or nullify other evidence that has been presented by an adverse party. By analogy the same term is used in politics and public affairs to refer to the informal process by which statements, designed to refute or negate specific arguments put forward by opponents, are deployed in the media."



Once again a bunch of fluff with no real rebuttal. Care to explain how my anology doesnt corelate? The Iraq people may have never lived here but they sure as hell are revolting against an intruding country, who chose a pre emptive strike on their people, while trying to push their will and beliefs on them by force. Just like the British did our forefathers. We revolted and won because we had our own belief of how things should be. Sounds kind of similiar.

If you walked out your front door today to see your freinds blown up by Russian Missles, while their tanks rolled down your block, what would you do? Would you fight for your land, and pick up a weapon and kill them mother fuckers? Well then under the current description you would be a terrorist and we should throw you in jail and torture you without trial for protecting your people.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Care to explain how my anology doesnt corelate? The Iraq people may have never lived here but they sure as hell are revolting against an intruding country, who chose a pre emptive strike on their people, while trying to push their will and beliefs on them by force. Just like the British did our forefathers. We revolted and won because we had our own belief of how things should be. Sounds kind of similiar.

a. the vast majority of the people in Iraq would have revolted if they could have. But the requirements for that today are far different than they were back in the day when all you needed was a gun (which practically every household would have had)... In fact, after the first war, they were ready to but the US left them high and dry.

b. the vast majority of the people in Iraq aren't fighting the US and they want to be more democratic and free.

So please.. explain to me how the US revolutionary war is in any way proof that Iraq will never be democratic..

The Romans subjugated many countries and radically changed the way they worked. Egypt, India, Pakistan etc. are all countries that were "pushed" into their democratic type governements by the rule of England. There have been plenty of problems (the US itself had its own civil war after all) but they are all improving and moving forward.. There was almost 100 years between US independence and the US civil war.. These countries haven't had their "independence" for very long in comparison so it should be expected that they will have their ups and downs. As I said, it will take a long time and plenty of money.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Ok, who's been taking their Huffington anally this morning?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Tempest

a·nal·o·gy
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:

The fact that you actually think there's an analogy between the people overthrowing their rulers (US revolutionary war) and a country doing it for the people of another country (US in Iraq), just goes to show that you clearly don't have the chops to debate this.. Trying to twist the topic into something entirely different is another strong indication.

shit, I tought I had seen evey dumbass until now ....

I hope China " liberates " your ass to see your fucking face ...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Tempest

b. the vast majority of the people in Iraq aren't fighting the US and they want to be more democratic and free.

Where do you get this from ????? ( I have a slight idea tough ... )

Sep 27th, 2006

The Program on International Policy Attitudes released a new poll on Iraqi public opinion today which finds that seven in ten Iraqis want US-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. Moreover, an overwhelming majority believes that the US military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing. The poll was conducted during the first week of September. Here are some of its key findings:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/27/iraqis-poll/


You really don't get it .... Iraqis don't want you there ... just like the Afghans didn't want the Soviets and now don't want the US and Canadians there ...

They have been around for far more time then you guys and managed the way they like it ...

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries .....

yada yada yada ...

did you say "IF"? ....

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Tempest

a. the vast majority of the people in Iraq would have revolted if they could have. But the requirements for that today are far different than they were back in the day when all you needed was a gun (which practically every household would have had)... In fact, after the first war, they were ready to but the US left them high and dry.

b. the vast majority of the people in Iraq aren't fighting the US and they want to be more democratic and free.

So please.. explain to me how the US revolutionary war is in any way proof that Iraq will never be democratic..

I have never read such a load of crap in my life. As if you have any clue what the people of Iraq want. It really sounds like you get ALL your information from FOX news. I dont even have a nasty name in my english vocabulary to describe your ignorance.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Where do you get this from ????? ( I have a slight idea tough ... )

Sep 27th, 2006

The Program on International Policy Attitudes released a new poll on Iraqi public opinion today which finds that seven in ten Iraqis want US-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. Moreover, an overwhelming majority believes that the US military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing. The poll was conducted during the first week of September. Here are some of its key findings:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/27/iraqis-poll/


You really don't get it .... Iraqis don't want you there ... just like the Afghans didn't want the Soviets and now don't want the US and Canadians there ...

They have been around for far more time then you guys and managed the way they like it ...

Did I say that Iraqs want the US to remain? No I didn't.. Of course they don't.. They want their independence now that they've been given the chance.

Where's your facts to prove my statement wrong that the vast majority of Irqais aren't fighting the US over there? Gee. I suspect you don't have any since they're not.

Don't put words in my mouth since you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about... Canadians aren't in Iraq.. We refused to go... Just as I don't support Bush going in there and think he should be ... well let's just say "war crimes".... but the topic was how history will view what's happened and unlike you, I'm able to look at the topic objectively regardless of how I feel about what's happened..

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I have never read such a load of crap in my life. As if you have any clue what the people of Iraq want. It really sounds like you get ALL your information from FOX news. I dont even have a nasty name in my english vocabulary to describe your ignorance.

Oh good.. blow more hot air out your ass.. A sign that you can't actually debate my facts... I've never watched 1 minute of Fox news...

[aico]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really?? As much as I REALLY hate to admit it, IF democracy etc take hold in Iraq and Afganistan, it will eventually expand and stabalize the region... So in a couple centuries, he could very well be looked on favorably as someone who had a "positive" impact in the world with his "visionary" actions... History rarely remembers all the little crap like the fucked up US economy, the quantity of people killed in the process etc. etc. etc.

Democracy can suck my fucking cock. 51% of the people telling the other 49% what they can and cannot do is about the furthest thing from Freedom I can think of.

[Tempest]

Actually, I lied.. I have seen some Fox news.. usually clips on youtube that show just how fucked up those mouthpieces are.

[Vick!]

I agree directfiesta here. Some retards will never learn, unless someone else from another country actually "liberates" them in the same way US did .. just because their shit (democracy, liberty, values etc.) isn't right and according to the definition of that country.

Originally Posted by directfiesta

shit, I tought I had seen evey dumbass until now ....

I hope China " liberates " your ass to see your fucking face ...

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by aico

Democracy can suck my fucking cock. 51% of the people telling the other 49% what they can and cannot do is about the furthest thing from Freedom I can think of.

Yep.. I agree with you...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Where's your facts to prove my statement wrong that the vast majority of Irqais aren't fighting the US over there? Gee. I suspect you don't have any since they're not.

You make a statement, it is up to you to back it up ....

I understand that mentally challenged like you have the new dogma of proving a negative like when you invaded Iraq ... You guys never had a single proof of WMD, but wanted Saddam to prove he didn't have any...

Proving a negative is not logical and possible.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

You make a statement, it is up to you to back it up ....

I understand that mentally challenged like you have the new dogma of proving a negative like when you invaded Iraq ... You guys never had a single proof of WMD, but wanted Saddam to prove he didn't have any...

Proving a negative is not logical and possible.

Don't bother responding.. You clearly didn't even read my post and only picked out what you wanted to... Seriously.. You clearly showed with this post that you're the one that's mentally challenged and that you lack any reading comprehension.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Don't bother responding.. You clearly didn't even read my post and only picked out what you wanted to... Seriously.. You clearly showed with this post that you're the one that's mentally challenged and that you lack any reading comprehension.

can't you post a single backup to all your theory ... you are the one that made claims of ... democracy and so on .... without anything to support it aside from the foul odor from your rectum...

I made the claim the Iraqis want you out ( in fact they wanted you gone by now ) and backed it up ...

What is next... You will claim that the Polish wanted the Nazis to liberate them in 1939 ????